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1. 12:57 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:14 AM - Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Mark)
6. 08:59 AM - Burl veneer problem solved (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: Burl veneer problem solved (Mike McCarty)
8. 10:31 PM - Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
I found my house here in Vancouver, complete with the 10' X 20' big white
tarp canopy covering my backyard. Couldn't see the Piet fuselage under
it though. :-) That canopy has only been up since last summer, August I
think.
Jim, was that location in the grayish map area or the green one. The
green has significantly less detail than the gray.
Also I used both mapquest and google to home in on my daughter's
house in Toronto, openned each in a web page and clicked back and forth
between them until I found the place.
Thanks Mike, this is neat.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash
I went to the location of a company I used to work for that works on DOD aircraft.
The image was significantly blurry, much blurrier than any of the regular
images I saw. I wonder if this is chance?
Jim Ash
I thought these would be the same images that you could get on terraserver.microsoft.com,
but these are
much better. I looked up my residence on Holloman AFB. You can see the German
AF Tornadoes sitting
on the southeast ramp and their F-4s to the west. On the southwest ramp you
can see the F-117 hangars
in two rows north to south, but none of the aircraft are outside. To the northwest
on White Sands Missile Range
the photos are kind of washed out, but you can pick out the 20,000 ft crossed
runways where they landed
the space shuttle once in the early 80's.
Mike McCarty
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Subject: | Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) |
I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in
Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to
those on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business
with...)
The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that
will go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the
panel because the burl is so nice looking.
Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before
approaching the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more
delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of
gloss-coat to put over burl.
I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today
(wish it came in smaller quantities)...
Thanks in advance.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
San Antonio Sectional
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From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
Subject: | Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) |
Sterling,
Why don't you ask the people that you bought the Burl from. If anyone should know
they should.
Wayne
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help)
I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in
Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to those
on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business with...)
The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that will
go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the panel
because the burl is so nice looking.
Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before approaching
the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more
delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of gloss-coat
to put over burl.
I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today (wish
it came in smaller quantities)...
Thanks in advance.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
San Antonio Sectional
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Subject: | Google gets more amazing . . . |
I suspect some images are older than others. When I looked at Cox Field
in Apex, NC, where I keep my Pietenpol, I saw my old Cessna 140 tied
down (easily recognizable because it was solid orange, with blue and
white trim - no other orange airplanes around). I sold that plane in
April of 2002 to a fellow from out of state, so this image is at least
that old.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason.
What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on
runways at the local airports.
Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. :-) caught on film.
Just kidding about the last part.
Steve Eldredge
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .
currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's
easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell
when certain buildings are there or not.
DJ
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From: Textor, <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . ..
Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think
the imagery is?
Jack Textor
Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key
is to click on 'satellite' for a color
photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your
house, etc. .....very cool
Mike C.
. . . by the day.
Try the "beta" version of <http://www.google.com/maps>
www.google.com/maps
by doing this:
Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address
in the search window like this:
123 main st, anytown, state, zip code
(or something similar in form)
Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map.
Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and
click on "Satellite."
Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image.
(And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother
is watching.)
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Subject: | Re: Google gets more amazing . . . |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
Phillips, Jack wrote:
> I suspect some images are older than others. When I looked at Cox
> Field in Apex, NC, where I keep my Pietenpol, I saw my old Cessna 140
> tied down (easily recognizable because it was solid orange, with blue
> and white trim no other orange airplanes around). I sold that plane
> in April of 2002 to a fellow from out of state, so this image is at
> least that old.
>
> Jack Phillips, PE
> Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
> Clinical Technologies and Services
> Cardinal Health
> Creedmoor, NC
> (919) 528-5212
>
Well I occasionally run into these in my other work as an aerial
photographer. They are rarely very good, and often copyright is an
issue. If you really want good work, you almost always have to get it
done yourself from someone you have seen examples of first hand. It
usually ain't cheap though, but sometimes its not as expensive as you think.
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Subject: | Burl veneer problem solved |
Vacuum bagging (while an attractive option) looks like the best way to go,
but for such a small project I'm not in a position to invest in more hardware.
I ordered the appropriate glue and will build my own press. The panel is only
24 wide and 10 inches at the max height and I think a press will do OK. If
not, I'll have a large, odd-shapped wooden frisbee for my German Shepherds.
Thanks to all who replied off list for the tips.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
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Subject: | Re: Burl veneer problem solved |
I would have thought that you could laminate it like a kitchen counter, contact
cement on both
surfaces and then go over it with a roller. Does it have to be more complicated
than that?
-Mike McCarty
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl veneer problem solved
Vacuum bagging (while an attractive option) looks like the best way to go, but
for such a small project I'm not in a position to invest in more hardware.
I ordered the appropriate glue and will build my own press. The panel is only
24 wide and 10 inches at the max height and I think a press will do OK. If not,
I'll have a large, odd-shapped wooden frisbee for my German Shepherds.
Thanks to all who replied off list for the tips.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
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Subject: | Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) |
I used water based contact cement made for arborite countertops.
You could use the solvent based stuff if you can handle the nasty
fumes. It won't cause any buckling as the waterbased will. I had
little trouble myself with the waterbased glue. You'll need at least
two coats on each side. Burl has a mix of every grain from flat to
end as the slice has cut through the waves of grain. Mine was fine
with only two coats.
You need to lay down a series of small sticks to keep the panels
sepatated but close enough to line up. Once that is done then
you carefully pull out an end stick and press the panels together.
At this point it's too late to make any real changes but the whole
thing should be eyeballed again.
Slide out the next stick and press that area down. Keep going like
this and you should reach the other end with a reasonably flat
surface. The traditional way of flattening and permanently sticking
it all together is to hammer it down over the entire surface with a
light force but not like wacking a nail. If you get small wrinkles
they can be worked out with some judicial pressing with the
hammer face. Make sure that face is smooth. go over it with
sandpaper if neccessary.
How much sanding you can do depends on the thickness of the
veneer. I had two different thicknesses to deal with. One veneer
is quite thin and the other a lot thicker so could take a lot more
abuse.
I have finished mine with the Helmsman. Lay down a thin coat
and when dry sand it out wet with 400 wet/dry paper. Use a
quarter sheet and fold it twice to give 4 surfaces. Keep building
and sanding thin coats like this until a smooth, dull sheen is
established then go to a 600 paper. From here one would rub out
with pumice and finaly rottenstone, then wax. Then send pictures
to Fine Woodworking. :-) :-)
On the other hand you could simply coat with the Helmsman
and leave it shiny. After all, that is what marine varnish is for.
The relative softness keeps it from cracking with the movement
of the wood and the mirror shine it develops is there to reflect
the UV away.
There's a couple of shots of my veneer at the bottom of this page
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol4.html
Good luck Sterling ( Isn't that what Armstrong said on the moon?)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help)
I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in
Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to those
on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business with...)
The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that will
go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the panel
because the burl is so nice looking.
Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before approaching
the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more
delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of gloss-coat
to put over burl.
I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today (wish
it came in smaller quantities)...
Thanks in advance.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
San Antonio Sectional
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