---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/07/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:57 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Clif Dawson) 2. 06:14 AM - Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers) 4. 07:24 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 5. 07:42 AM - Re: Google gets more amazing . . . (Mark) 6. 08:59 AM - Burl veneer problem solved (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 7. 12:47 PM - Re: Burl veneer problem solved (Mike McCarty) 8. 10:31 PM - Re: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:43 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I found my house here in Vancouver, complete with the 10' X 20' big white tarp canopy covering my backyard. Couldn't see the Piet fuselage under it though. :-) That canopy has only been up since last summer, August I think. Jim, was that location in the grayish map area or the green one. The green has significantly less detail than the gray. Also I used both mapquest and google to home in on my daughter's house in Toronto, openned each in a web page and clicked back and forth between them until I found the place. Thanks Mike, this is neat. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I went to the location of a company I used to work for that works on DOD aircraft. The image was significantly blurry, much blurrier than any of the regular images I saw. I wonder if this is chance? Jim Ash I thought these would be the same images that you could get on terraserver.microsoft.com, but these are much better. I looked up my residence on Holloman AFB. You can see the German AF Tornadoes sitting on the southeast ramp and their F-4s to the west. On the southwest ramp you can see the F-117 hangars in two rows north to south, but none of the aircraft are outside. To the northwest on White Sands Missile Range the photos are kind of washed out, but you can pick out the 20,000 ft crossed runways where they landed the space shuttle once in the early 80's. Mike McCarty ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:21 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to those on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business with...) The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that will go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the panel because the burl is so nice looking. Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before approaching the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of gloss-coat to put over burl. I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today (wish it came in smaller quantities)... Thanks in advance. Sterling Brooks 5TA6 San Antonio Sectional ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:43 AM PST US From: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) Sterling, Why don't you ask the people that you bought the Burl from. If anyone should know they should. Wayne Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: N321TX@wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to those on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business with...) The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that will go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the panel because the burl is so nice looking. Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before approaching the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of gloss-coat to put over burl. I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today (wish it came in smaller quantities)... Thanks in advance. Sterling Brooks 5TA6 San Antonio Sectional ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I suspect some images are older than others. When I looked at Cox Field in Apex, NC, where I keep my Pietenpol, I saw my old Cessna 140 tied down (easily recognizable because it was solid orange, with blue and white trim - no other orange airplanes around). I sold that plane in April of 2002 to a fellow from out of state, so this image is at least that old. Jack Phillips, PE Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development Clinical Technologies and Services Cardinal Health Creedmoor, NC (919) 528-5212 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . I can also validate that it is 18 months old. For the same reason. What is really cool is looking at airliners captured on approach, and on runways at the local airports. Yeah. I was flying touch and goes at the time. :-) caught on film. Just kidding about the last part. Steve Eldredge _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . currency of the imagery in my area is about 12-18 months old. It's easy to tell out here cause the city is growing so fast that I can tell when certain buildings are there or not. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Textor, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . .. Great stuff, I'm dumping my Map Quest stock. How current do you think the imagery is? Jack Textor Guys-- I tried this for cities like Brodhead, Oshkosh, etc.......the key is to click on 'satellite' for a color photo that you can drag the mouse around on to find airports, your house, etc. .....very cool Mike C. . . . by the day. Try the "beta" version of www.google.com/maps by doing this: Go to www.google.com/maps, then enter your home address in the search window like this: 123 main st, anytown, state, zip code (or something similar in form) Hit "return" and see a map similar to a mapquest map. Now -- look at the upper right corner of the window and click on "Satellite." Try zooming in, then use your mouse to move the image. (And keep your back lawn mowed & trimmed -- big brother is watching.) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:45 AM PST US From: Mark Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Google gets more amazing . . . --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Phillips, Jack wrote: > I suspect some images are older than others. When I looked at Cox > Field in Apex, NC, where I keep my Pietenpol, I saw my old Cessna 140 > tied down (easily recognizable because it was solid orange, with blue > and white trim no other orange airplanes around). I sold that plane > in April of 2002 to a fellow from out of state, so this image is at > least that old. > > Jack Phillips, PE > Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development > Clinical Technologies and Services > Cardinal Health > Creedmoor, NC > (919) 528-5212 > Well I occasionally run into these in my other work as an aerial photographer. They are rarely very good, and often copyright is an issue. If you really want good work, you almost always have to get it done yourself from someone you have seen examples of first hand. It usually ain't cheap though, but sometimes its not as expensive as you think. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:32 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl veneer problem solved Vacuum bagging (while an attractive option) looks like the best way to go, but for such a small project I'm not in a position to invest in more hardware. I ordered the appropriate glue and will build my own press. The panel is only 24 wide and 10 inches at the max height and I think a press will do OK. If not, I'll have a large, odd-shapped wooden frisbee for my German Shepherds. Thanks to all who replied off list for the tips. Sterling Brooks 5TA6 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:26 PM PST US From: "Mike McCarty" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl veneer problem solved I would have thought that you could laminate it like a kitchen counter, contact cement on both surfaces and then go over it with a roller. Does it have to be more complicated than that? -Mike McCarty ----- Original Message ----- From: N321TX@wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl veneer problem solved Vacuum bagging (while an attractive option) looks like the best way to go, but for such a small project I'm not in a position to invest in more hardware. I ordered the appropriate glue and will build my own press. The panel is only 24 wide and 10 inches at the max height and I think a press will do OK. If not, I'll have a large, odd-shapped wooden frisbee for my German Shepherds. Thanks to all who replied off list for the tips. Sterling Brooks 5TA6 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:25 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) I used water based contact cement made for arborite countertops. You could use the solvent based stuff if you can handle the nasty fumes. It won't cause any buckling as the waterbased will. I had little trouble myself with the waterbased glue. You'll need at least two coats on each side. Burl has a mix of every grain from flat to end as the slice has cut through the waves of grain. Mine was fine with only two coats. You need to lay down a series of small sticks to keep the panels sepatated but close enough to line up. Once that is done then you carefully pull out an end stick and press the panels together. At this point it's too late to make any real changes but the whole thing should be eyeballed again. Slide out the next stick and press that area down. Keep going like this and you should reach the other end with a reasonably flat surface. The traditional way of flattening and permanently sticking it all together is to hammer it down over the entire surface with a light force but not like wacking a nail. If you get small wrinkles they can be worked out with some judicial pressing with the hammer face. Make sure that face is smooth. go over it with sandpaper if neccessary. How much sanding you can do depends on the thickness of the veneer. I had two different thicknesses to deal with. One veneer is quite thin and the other a lot thicker so could take a lot more abuse. I have finished mine with the Helmsman. Lay down a thin coat and when dry sand it out wet with 400 wet/dry paper. Use a quarter sheet and fold it twice to give 4 surfaces. Keep building and sanding thin coats like this until a smooth, dull sheen is established then go to a 600 paper. From here one would rub out with pumice and finaly rottenstone, then wax. Then send pictures to Fine Woodworking. :-) :-) On the other hand you could simply coat with the Helmsman and leave it shiny. After all, that is what marine varnish is for. The relative softness keeps it from cracking with the movement of the wood and the mirror shine it develops is there to reflect the UV away. There's a couple of shots of my veneer at the bottom of this page http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol4.html Good luck Sterling ( Isn't that what Armstrong said on the moon?) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Burl Wood Instrument Panel (Help) I just received my premium elm burl veneer from Constantine's Wood Center in Fort Lauderdale, Florida... Wow! This is a very pretty wood and thanks to those on the list who steered me to their website. (Good folks to do business with...) The veneer is very delicate and I hope to use it over a spruce plywood that will go into my instrument panels. I almost hate to put instruments in the panel because the burl is so nice looking. Can any of you experienced in working with burl provide me some tips before approaching the task of adhering the burl to my spruce plywood? This looks more delicate than I had anticipated. I'd also like advise on what type of gloss-coat to put over burl. I'll be ordering a gallon of Press Bond Glue from Constantine's later today (wish it came in smaller quantities)... Thanks in advance. Sterling Brooks 5TA6 San Antonio Sectional