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1. 01:33 AM - Re: uk piet plans (Peter W Johnson)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: YEEEEHAAAAAW !!!! (Phillips, Jack)
3. 08:27 AM - Aviation News (AVIATION GROUP)
4. 09:52 AM - OT - help with aircraft identification (DJ Vegh)
5. 11:53 AM - Re: OT - help with aircraft identification (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 12:29 PM - smoke oil (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 12:59 PM - Re: OT - help with aircraft identification (Steve Eldredge)
8. 01:20 PM - Re: smoke oil (Jim Markle)
9. 02:05 PM - Re: Continentals are great (walt evans)
10. 02:28 PM - Re: Continentals are great (Steve Ruse)
11. 02:44 PM - Re: Continentals are great (Steve Ruse)
12. 03:00 PM - Re: OT - help with aircraft identification (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 03:28 PM - Re: Continentals are great (DJ Vegh)
14. 07:36 PM - Re: YEEEEHAAAAAW !!!! (Javier Cruz)
15. 09:55 PM - Re: Continentals are great (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 10:30 PM - Re: smoke oil (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 10:59 PM - Re: Continentals are great (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Clif,
The same pictures are in the "Photographs" section of the web site. Click on
the picture and you get a full size picture displayed.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi, Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/>
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: uk piet plans
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From: Clif Dawson <mailto:CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: uk piet plans
Looking closely at Peters wing page should give you all the
info you need. One thing that is important that you see on
the gusset blocks at both the root and outer strut attachment
points is that the blocks are not cut straight across. The ends
taper into the cap area, or "butterfly". The longer that taper the
better. If you cut those blocks straight you are creating a stress
riser and at the outer block that could have serious consequences
as the load stress for the outer section is concentrated here due
to the parabolic nature of the load forces.
There have been a lot of sailboats with laminated masts lose said
mast because of this. And that's essentialy what our spars are.
What I like to do is right click on a construction pic that interests
me and hit "save picture as" and label it and save. Once it's in
your pic file you double click to bring it up in it's own window.
There's a zoom funcion here. Zoom it up till just before it starts
to get too fuzzy to see properly. Now you can study the details.
I just got back from a great weekend in Victoria. Revisited the
" Victoria Piet" on my Kitplane page and took pics of a new
Piet undergoing taxi tests. It's too late tonight but I'll post them
tommorow. The Piet that's there now was built around 1933. It's
rumoured to be the oldest continuously registered plane in Canada.
Notice the registration begins with "A". The builder's son inhereted
it and rebuilt it a number of years ago.
Just to whet your appetite, the new Piet has a Ford "B" on the nose.
Clif
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From: Peter W <mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Johnson
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: uk piet plans
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com > "Suppliers & Services" > "Suppliers".
It's at the top of the page.
Cheers
Peter.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TRichmo9@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: uk piet plans
does anyone have the address so i can get a set of uk pietenpol plans i want
to build box spars
tom
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| Subject: | YEEEEHAAAAAW !!!! |
Way to go, Don! You have just joined a very select fraternity of those
who have built and flown their own airplane. There is no better feeling
in the world.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: YEEEEHAAAAAW !!!!
Hi All
After 12 years of building that included cataract, back and quad bypass
surgeries AND my 80th birthday I flew NX 920Y yesterday !! Although
she handled beautifully and the ol' Model A was sounding sweet for some
reason that I'll have to figure out after I return from Sun N Fun, I
was only pulling 100 rpm at full throttle over the 1650 that she showed
static on the test stand. I was expecting to see 18-1900. So the flight
was interesting to say the least but the landing went well ( with all of
the drag characteristics I had anticipated) I'll be working at the
wood workshop at SNF and would love to chat with all Pieters and
particularly any of you Model A gurus who might attend.
Don Hicks
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| Subject: | OT - help with aircraft identification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Can someone tell me the difference between a Cessna 170A and Cessna 170B?
email me offline with any resoponses
djv@imagedv.com
Thanks
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: OT - help with aircraft identification |
Engine and size of flaps
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, low, slow, and smoky fliers;
Well, here's the scoop on "Canopus" smoke oil. I can get it, but only in
quantities of 55 gal. drum. I'm not opposed to that if I could get somebody
to buy some of it to help with cost. I know what a drum will cost me, but
getting down to usable quantities, what would you smokers be willing to pay?
My cost would be about $7 a gallon but I'd need to get it into smaller
containers and get it to guys who wanted some... not real easy to handle,
but it's doable (where I work, we ship barrels, drums, and containers of all
sorts). So I'd say with packing and all, it would cost maybe $8 a gallon
for me to handle.
What are you smokers paying for baby oil, vegetable oil, or the other stuff
you guys stick in your tailpipes?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | OT - help with aircraft identification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Fabric wings on the A metal on the B (so I've heard)
stevee
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT - help with aircraft identification
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Can someone tell me the difference between a Cessna 170A and Cessna
170B?
email me offline with any resoponses
djv@imagedv.com
Thanks
DJ
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
What are you smokers paying for baby oil, vegetable oil, or the other stuff
you guys stick in your tailpipes?
I think I'll stay with baby powder for now......
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
Chuck,
What do you do? Just pull thru with the mag off till it pulls in the gas you need?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are great
In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:08:20 AM Central Standard Time, wbeevans@verizon.net
writes:
pulled it thru six blades with the mag off, selected left mag, second pull
it was running.
Hey Walt,
Mine was just as easy to get running about a month ago...and I don't even have
a primer !!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
In a few days (hopefully) I'll be flying home my new (to me) GN-1 with a
Continental A-75. It hasn't run in several months, and so I'm a little
worried
about the engine. It has been hangared (in Indiana) for the winter. Makes me
feel good to hear that storage for several months isn't all that
unusual. What
should I check before I take off? I'll check the screen, and the oil will be
fresh, but what else should I look for? Should I be concerned about rust in
the cylinders or anything else?
I was going to get it two weeks ago, but didn't even get through
Oklahoma before
the engine in the 172 we were flying quit on us. Landed uneventfully in a
field. Needless to say, I'm a little more paranoid about engines now.
Thanks for any input,
Steve Ruse
Quoting walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>:
> Chuck,
> What do you do? Just pull thru with the mag off till it pulls in the
> gas you need?
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are great
>
>
> In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:08:20 AM Central Standard Time,
> wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
> pulled it thru six blades with the mag off, selected left mag,
> second pull it was running.
> Hey Walt,
> Mine was just as easy to get running about a month ago...and I
> don't even have a primer !!
>
> Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
I should have included this...before anybody asks, yes a pre-buy was done,
compressions are all good (mid-70s at least). I've flown an L2 with a
Continental 65 about 20hrs, but don't know as much as I would like to know
about them. I don't know if there are any quirks or rules of thumb I should
know when starting an engine that has been sitting for a while. It seems to me
that an engine that has been sitting for several months must be very dry, I
can't help but think that there must be some metal to metal contact for a few
seconds after starting.
Thanks,
Steve Ruse
Quoting Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> In a few days (hopefully) I'll be flying home my new (to me) GN-1 with a
> Continental A-75. It hasn't run in several months, and so I'm a little
> worried
> about the engine. It has been hangared (in Indiana) for the winter.
> Makes me
> feel good to hear that storage for several months isn't all that
> unusual. What
> should I check before I take off? I'll check the screen, and the oil will be
> fresh, but what else should I look for? Should I be concerned about rust in
> the cylinders or anything else?
>
> I was going to get it two weeks ago, but didn't even get through
> Oklahoma before
> the engine in the 172 we were flying quit on us. Landed uneventfully in a
> field. Needless to say, I'm a little more paranoid about engines now.
>
> Thanks for any input,
>
> Steve Ruse
>
> Quoting walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>:
>
>> Chuck,
>> What do you do? Just pull thru with the mag off till it pulls in
>> the gas you need?
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are great
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:08:20 AM Central Standard Time,
>> wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
>> pulled it thru six blades with the mag off, selected left mag,
>> second pull it was running.
>> Hey Walt,
>> Mine was just as easy to get running about a month ago...and I
>> don't even have a primer !!
>>
>> Chuck G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - help with aircraft identification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I unloaded a C-170 2 yrs. ago and I am surprised at how much I have
forgotten about them. I believe a straight 170 had a fabric wing. C-145
engine. They are the fastest model. The 170A was all metal with small (
140 style flaps ) and had a cooling box over the engine inside the
cowling. The 170 B has big flaps full pressure cowling. Later 170 Bs had
more dihedral in the wings, more squared rear D window. The 56 170s was
the start of lots of plastic in the interior.. A's and B's had the 0-300
engine. I have no idea what the diference is between the 2 engines. Leon
S.
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
good luck on the GN-1 flight! You got a great deal on a nice plane. Let
us know how the flight goes!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are great
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> In a few days (hopefully) I'll be flying home my new (to me) GN-1 with a
> Continental A-75. It hasn't run in several months, and so I'm a little
> worried
> about the engine. It has been hangared (in Indiana) for the winter.
Makes me
> feel good to hear that storage for several months isn't all that
> unusual. What
> should I check before I take off? I'll check the screen, and the oil will
be
> fresh, but what else should I look for? Should I be concerned about rust
in
> the cylinders or anything else?
>
> I was going to get it two weeks ago, but didn't even get through
> Oklahoma before
> the engine in the 172 we were flying quit on us. Landed uneventfully in a
> field. Needless to say, I'm a little more paranoid about engines now.
>
> Thanks for any input,
>
> Steve Ruse
>
> Quoting walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>:
>
> > Chuck,
> > What do you do? Just pull thru with the mag off till it pulls in the
> > gas you need?
> > walt evans
> > NX140DL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are great
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:08:20 AM Central Standard Time,
> > wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
> > pulled it thru six blades with the mag off, selected left mag,
> > second pull it was running.
> > Hey Walt,
> > Mine was just as easy to get running about a month ago...and I
> > don't even have a primer !!
> >
> > Chuck G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YEEEEHAAAAAW !!!! |
Congrats, Don
Ever that i can see that other Piet list have his Plane on the air i fill how this
list turn on good fillings , i have been comment this before, this list is
a big family...very happy flights Don...
Javier Cruz
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
In a message dated 4/12/2005 4:05:37 PM Central Standard Time,
wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
Chuck,
What do you do? Just pull thru with the mag off till it pulls in the gas you
need?
Walt,
Yep. I don't even have a primer installed.
Stick back in the seat belt, wheels choked, engine idle, mags OFF, pull 6
or 10 blades to pump a little oil up, and get an air / fuel charge in the
intake (even with the mags off - always assuming the engine will run). I then
walk back around, re-check everything and turn the mags on Both. It usually
starts the first or second blade.
One time, two weeks ago, I tried to start it, but it wouldn't fire. I
carefully pulled a blade slowly past compression, and BRUUMMMM !! She fired up
!! Scared me...I wasn't expecting that !! I thought I could slowly pull it
past compression, but it started as soon as the impulse couplings on both
Slick mags kicked.
Chuck G.
planning on shooting some video of take-off's and landings on Wednesday
evening.
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In a message dated 4/12/2005 4:21:10 PM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
What are you smokers paying for baby oil, vegetable oil, or the other stuff
you guys stick in your tailpipes?
Oscar,
I was buying the cheap Baby Oil at Wal Mart, I think it was a little over
$1 for the big bottle. I got some strange looks, when I checked out with 8
or 10 bottles of the stuff !! That's the best way to buy it when on a big
cross country flight, because I don't like the thought of carrying a big supply
of oil for smoke. I since bought a 5 gal bucket of Edcot Light White Mineral
Oil, item #47106-05, from Hampel Oil Distributors, here in Wichita. It was $30
for the 5 gal. They told me it's what they sell to the Airshow Pilots. It
still smokes pretty good, but it seemed like the Baby Oil from Wal Mart smoked
a little better, and it smelled real good to the crowd. You should have some
oil distributors in the San Antonio area, where you could buy 5 gal of White
Mineral Oil - the stuff used for Baby Oil.
Jim M. - Save the Baby Powder, to powder your Poe Poe on a long cross
country flight !!
Chuck G.
Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !!
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are great |
Steve,
When was the last time this plane was flown ?
If the engine has orange paint at the base of the cylinders, it indicates
Chrome Cylinders, and there will NOT be any rust in the cylinders. There
probably isn't much you can do for rust in the cylinders, before you start it.
I
would suggest a VERY thorough airframe and engine inspection, with a flashlight
and mirror in some of the inspection covers, especially the control system.
Don't trust anyone else's inspection. It's true that the first few seconds of
run time, is when the engine incurs most of it's wear, so after it is running,
keep a good eye on the oil pressure to come up. I think Continental
recommends shutting down after 30 seconds if oil pressure does not come up, but
30
seconds seems like an eternity with the engine idling. Check the prop real good,
and if possible, re-torque the wood prop. Ask when the last time the prop was
torqued. I re-torque my prop at least 2 or 3 times a year, because humidity
effects the torque. If you do re-torque the prop, cut the safety wire, back
off each bolt to break it loose before bringing the torque back up. You should
probably do an engine run of about 20 or 30 minutes to get the engine up to
operating temp, then shut down, and do another thorough inspection under the
cowling. Do a few taxi runs, and high speed runs too, so you get used to the
ground handling. Once airborne, choose your route over open areas, and always
assume the engine is going to quit, so you already have a place in mind to land
in a field. You need to be at the top of your game for this flight.
Why did the engine on the 172 quit ?? Does it have a Lycoming O-320
engine ?
Chuck G.
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