---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/22/05:13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 PM - NX registration? (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 2. 12:13 PM - Re: NX registration? (Phillips, Jack) 3. 12:19 PM - Re: NX registration? (Gene Rambo) 4. 12:42 PM - Re: NX registration? (Kevin Holcomb) 5. 01:14 PM - Re: NX registration? (Steve Ruse) 6. 01:29 PM - NX is an aircraft marking (Michael D Cuy) 7. 01:33 PM - Steve R. changing markings--excellent (Michael D Cuy) 8. 02:04 PM - Re: Steve R. changing markings--excellent (Steve Ruse) 9. 02:26 PM - Steve's trip--tell us more ! (Michael D Cuy) 10. 03:20 PM - extended fuselage question (Jeff Hill) 11. 03:59 PM - Re: basswood (Rick Holland) 12. 06:22 PM - Re: basswood (John Ford) 13. 10:36 PM - Re: basswood (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:19 PM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? How does one apply for the NX registration number? I found a number that was available and sent off my paperwork with a check, and it came back from the FAA with a form letter stating NX isn't available. Is something you "negotiate" with the FSDO when they do the final paperwork? Sterling 5TA6 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:50 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? From: "Phillips, Jack" The FAA will not issue an NX number. What you do is apply for a normal registration number (custom, if you wish and add the extra $10), then when you apply the numbers you add the X. Be prepared to argue with your inspector and quote the appropriate regs (I've got them spmewhere if you need them). It also helps to have photos of other Pietenpols with NX numbers. Whenever you deal with the FAA, just give them the regular N number, without the X because that is what is actually listed in the registration. My inspector didn't put up a fuss at all, but he was pretty sharp BTW, in order to see what numbers are taken or reserved, check out this website: http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*64406683!_h-www.landings.com/_la ndings/pages/search/search_nnr.html Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? How does one apply for the NX registration number? I found a number that was available and sent off my paperwork with a check, and it came back from the FAA with a form letter stating NX isn't available. Is something you "negotiate" with the FSDO when they do the final paperwork? Sterling 5TA6 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:10 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:13:16 -0400 no, you don't ask for it, just like you don't ask for the "N". Get your number and put NX ahead of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: N321TX@wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? How does one apply for the NX registration number? I found a number that was available and sent off my paperwork with a check, and it came back from the FAA with a form letter stating NX isn't available. Is something you "negotiate" with the FSDO when they do the final paperwork? Sterling 5TA6 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:13 PM PST US From: Kevin Holcomb Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:55 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse Great information Kevin, I did not know that. I wouldn't mind removing the "Experimental" label from the cockpit or adding the "X". I'll do a little more reading on it to find the exact regs, but thanks for the information. Steve Ruse - N6383J Coppell, TX (DFW) Do not archive Quoting Kevin Holcomb : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kevin Holcomb You do not > request an NX or NC number. Simply request a regular N number. When > you paint it on your airplane you are allowed to add the X or C > provided you meet certain conditions. Historically this second > letter was a public display of the airplanes category (X for > experimental, C for certified airplanes.) When an airplanes category > was changed that letter was modified to match while the base number > was left alone. In the case of the X, your airplane has to be an > experimental airplane and it must also have the external appearance > of an airplane that is more than a certain number of years old (I > believe it is 30.) One neat bit of trivia is that in the case of an > experimental, the X as part of the number effectively removes the > requirement for you to have the large 'experimental' placard in view. > Keep in mind that the FAA will not think of your number as having an > X in it. They simply tolerate you adding it for the sake of > tradition. You will of course want to dig through the regulatioins > for yourself to have a response ready when the inevitable passerby > decides to take issue with your departure from the norm. > -----Original Message----- > From: N321TX@wmconnect.com > Sent: Apr 22, 2005 2:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX registration? > HOW DOES ONE APPLY FOR THE NX REGISTRATION NUMBER? I FOUND A NUMBER > THAT WAS AVAILABLE AND SENT OFF MY PAPERWORK WITH A CHECK, AND IT > CAME BACK FROM THE FAA WITH A FORM LETTER STATING NX isn't available. > > Is something you "negotiate" with the FSDO when they do the final > paperwork? > Sterling ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:17 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX is an aircraft marking .net> Sterling-- the X in your NX number like the guys have said it just a part of your aircraft markings and is not recognized on your paperwork. The X is cool in that when using it you do not have to put that big EXPERIMENTAL sign on/in the airplane ! The X is a sufficient marking to denote that it is an experimental design of more than 30 years in age. I'm building a replica of an old aircraft and I would like to use one of the old style registration numbers (e.g. NC1234 or NX1234). Can I do this? Yes. The aircraft must be operated as an amateur-built or exhibition aircraft and must have the same external appearance as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago. The registration markings must be at least 2 inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by the symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft: C for standard R for restricted L for limited, or X for experimental followed by the US registration number of the aircraft. (Even if the aircraft is eligible to display the old style markings, the Registration Certificate and all FAA references to the N number will omit the C, R, L, or X from the N number). If you are trying to build an exact replica of an old aircraft, you can even use the old registration number if it had been deactivated. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/Registering%20Your%20Homebuilt.html Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:11 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve R. changing markings--excellent .net><30146296.1114198536519.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink. net> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Steve-- you are exactly right about being able to remove your big EXPERIMENTAL placard and replacing it with and X in your N number markings on the plane. I did that on another plane---you don't have to tell the FAA or anyone else----it is merely a marking that sez the same thing as the full word. Very neat reg that lots don't take advantage of. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:32 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve R. changing markings--excellent .net><30146296.1114198536519.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink. net> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse Thanks Mike, I'll add one more thing to the list of things I want or need to do to the plane. :) I just got the plane this week, and I've already flown it about 15 hours, and I have about 6hrs of flying planned for this weekend, including three fly-ins. I'm having a ball! Steve Ruse Coppell, TX N6383J Do not archive Quoting Michael D Cuy : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Steve-- you are exactly right about being able to remove your big > EXPERIMENTAL placard and replacing it > with and X in your N number markings on the plane. I did that on another > plane---you don't have to tell the FAA > or anyone else----it is merely a marking that sez the same thing as the > full word. Very neat reg that lots don't take advantage of. > > Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:44 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! 96.1114198536519.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink. net><30146296.111 4198536519.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink. net><5 .1.1.5.2.2005042 2162426.0217fb08@popserve.grc.nasa.gov> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country was and how she flies !!!!!! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:56 PM PST US From: "Jeff Hill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: extended fuselage question DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:55 PM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: basswood --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > John (who plays a bass made of Cocobolo, Mahogany, Maple and > Purpleheart, but hasn't built his Piet yet) > Was watching the guy at the prop carving booth at SNF and he was saying that a prop can be made of layers of most any hardwood including Purpleheart. Imagine a prop made of Cocobolo, Maple and Purpleheart. -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:18 PM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: basswood --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" That would be one very attractive and extremely expensive prop! John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> at7000ft@gmail.com Friday, April 22, 2005 5:53:42 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland > John (who plays a bass made of Cocobolo, Mahogany, Maple and > Purpleheart, but hasn't built his Piet yet) > Was watching the guy at the prop carving booth at SNF and he was saying that a prop can be made of layers of most any hardwood including Purpleheart. Imagine a prop made of Cocobolo, Maple and Purpleheart. -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:24 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: basswood --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Nothing wrong with red cedar for instrument tops except that it peaks out sooner than spruce by 20 years or so on plucked instruments. I'm willing to share with artisans but not Yamaha! Mountain style banjo, B.C. maple body, mahogany neck. Cedar topped guitar. Clif Don't archive this one either. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > Too bad we can't convince the music industry that Basswood is a superior > acoustic material - I hate seeing all that nice Sitka Spruce being built > into piano soundboards and guitar faces when it could be up in the air > where it belongs. My banjo is an "Aviation Friendly" instrument, being > made of maple and rosewood and not using any aircraft grade materials. > > For goodness sake, Do Not Archive! > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > "Pickin' and Grinnin' and workin' on the Pietenpol"