---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/05/05:14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral final outcome (Michael D Cuy) 2. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Thinking outside the box. Metric Plywood Shipping (N321TX@wmconnect.com) 3. 06:39 AM - 2nd Japanese Piet (M&M Stanley) 4. 09:58 AM - Alpha Aviation (Jim Markle) 5. 10:37 AM - Re: 2nd Japanese Piet (Galen Hutcheson) 6. 11:25 AM - Re: 2nd Japanese Piet (Michael D Cuy) 7. 02:58 PM - Fishermans Piet (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 8. 03:54 PM - Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral final outcome (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 04:03 PM - 0-235 (WPTCorp@aol.com) 10. 05:18 PM - Re: 0-235 (Ed G.) 11. 07:08 PM - Re: 0-235 (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com) 12. 07:18 PM - Re: 0-235 (Jim Thursby) 13. 11:40 PM - Re: 0-235 (Gordon Bowen) 14. 11:47 PM - Re: 0-235 (Gordon Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:20 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedral vs. no dihedral final outcome --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Walt--- Too cool ! Good for you. Like a flight instructor told me one time when Frank Pavliga was giving me a hard time about putting dihedral in my Piet (his wing is flat) "bird have it, so why argue with God ?" Mike C. PS.....I love irritating the crap out of the purist Pietenpol crowd ! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:16 AM PST US From: N321TX@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking outside the box. Metric Plywood Shipping When I called Wicks, the gal on the phone said the plywood would have to ship by truck. She didn't even mention any other method such as rolling up and shipping in a round tube or small box that UPS could work with. Same thing happened at Aircraft Spruce when I called them... "has to go by motor freight..." they said. Russ Chambers (at Alpha Aviation) must be in his late 70s and right off the bat, he said he could roll up the plywood and ship it by UPS. Russ (unlike the gals) handles not only the phone orders, but shipping, ordering, sweeping the floors and unlocking the doors. My pun, "thinking outside the box" should have suggested that Russ was thinking not only outside the box, but a way to ship plywood inside the box. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch 5TA6 San Antonio Sectional ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:16 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2nd Japanese Piet Hi to everyone on the Piet list, Just thought I would drop a quick note. I've been reading peoples comments on this list for quite some time now. I must say that most of it is pretty good and I've learned some very useful stuff about building a Piet. A while back, Mike Cuy commented about a Japanese based Piet. The builder of that one is a good friend of mine. Basically, I am Australian, living here for a while with my lovely wife, I repair damaged sailplanes for a living, fly R/C models as well as full size when I can get a seat. I own 2 sailplanes in Australia, one vintage design (all wood) and one FRP. I had always liked the Piet design but after meeting him and seeing his 'Piet in progress', it got me fired up enough to start building. Time is a big problem (not to mention space), I have been slowly playing around with it for about a year. I am still building ribs. (20 are complete). This is not exactly a speed record for building ribs but some progress is better than no progress! I am using Douglas Fir for the ribs. I bought a nice piece of it and then cut all of the cap strip material from it. I have already cut enough strip and made a 'kit' of rib parts so now I am just gluing my 'kit' together. I had planned to do the metal fittings but you can't but 4130 over here and the freight cost's from the USA are fairly high so I will wait until later. After the ribs are completed, I may built the tailfeathers as they don't take up too much storage space. I have attached a couple of photos, one is of the first of my ribs being built in the shadow of Mr.Mita's Piet, and the other one was taken when I completed one wing panels worth of ribs. Anyway, enough rambling from me at the moment! It is great to be able to read what others are doing and to know that someone will probably have answers to any areas that I may get stuck with as the Piet progress's along. When we move back to OZ (Australia), the Piet project will go with. This project will take a while but that's no problem. So, that's it for now, I will post a message occasionally now that I have started. Regards to all. Mark Stanley Japan (for now) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:25 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alpha Aviation DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:22 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YHusg0CgDscvuyvOnOa88ygFIv+QEUK059csXAm10VfYWrhRZqwr3wqgheOBCULfRQLsAo20H8ysf5BtoPztn947aUjRtJ2edMJNRid/AA+wvGZAx3ZD76gjmSsSQPAEemhcAxwYQqPeycsVpRxfFaj8wttBv4mP7+r2BYtdYCw= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2nd Japanese Piet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Welcome aboard Mark, Ribs look good, and certainly to plans. You will find folks here more than anxious to help out. We are very interested in everyone who is building and before long, everyone becomes a member of the Piet family. The lovely thing about the Piet is it's versitility. You can build strictly to plans or you can modify it to fit your own specific needs. Have fun building and keep making progress. Doc Do Not Archive --- M&M Stanley wrote: > > > > Hi to everyone on the Piet list, > > > > Mark Stanley > Japan > (for now) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:39 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2nd Japanese Piet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy G' Day mate.....good to see you on the list, Mark Stanley. Good on ya. I like that-- you building ribs in the shadow of Mita San's Air Camper fuselage ! Well, now that I've used up all the OZ slang I've learned, it's time for me to sign off ! PS......tell the guys about your R/C Piet...and flying it over Tokyo bay !!!!! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:52 PM PST US ETAsAhRyCpUxpVRW5IUeRcSLi6BcGPz3LQIULHrJL0nRIbp1TfANbGbH9pao5Yw= From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fishermans Piet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Mike Cuy: Fishermans Piet should be easy to spot. He was going to use rope to save money on control cables! Leon S. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:33 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedral vs. no dihedral final outcome In a message dated 5/5/2005 7:53:32 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: "bird have it, so why argue with God ?" Mike C. PS.....I love irritating the crap out of the purist Pietenpol crowd ! Yeah, but if God would have intended Pietenpols to have dihedral, he would have influenced Bernard Harold Pietenpol to put it in !! :) Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:21 PM PST US From: WPTCorp@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 Has any one put 0-235 lycoming on a piet? Here in Wyoming at 5500 feet the corvair is having a little trouble. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:30 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." I think one of the guys across the pond said they had one over there.He said it " ascended like an angel going to heaven" I believe is how he put it.....Do not archive >From: WPTCorp@aol.com >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:02:53 EDT > >Has any one put 0-235 lycoming on a piet? >Here in Wyoming at 5500 feet the corvair is having a little trouble. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:03 PM PST US From: PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 Hi; There was a jenny/mod Piet here in Florida with an O-235 a while back. The local scuttlebutt was that it flew like a bird AND landed in trees a few times; don't know if that was due to the 0-235. Rather suspect not, but I heard it was heavy too. Take this as pure rumor as far as facts are concerned. Lou Larsen PS Big day last week; I 'hung' the 'A' in the airframe. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:27 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 There is a gent named George Read from Twelve Oaks Florida who's Piet is powered with a 235. It has a lot of mods. Does about a hundred cruise and climbs about a thousand a minute. Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WPTCorp@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:03 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 Has any one put 0-235 lycoming on a piet? Here in Wyoming at 5500 feet the corvair is having a little trouble. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:31 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 I have an older 100 hp o-235 with GM starter in N-1033B, a modified Piete. The old C-85 was badly damaged in the crash back in '96. Jumps in the air now like a rabbit. N-1033B was built by Dick Griede in '87 to use Aeronca wings, he had moved the wings back (or fuselage forward-for nitpickin' purest) to 18" behind the firewall. With my 280lbs, CG balances nicely. Passenger's cg is just a few inches behind empty CG. These Aeronca wings have gross wt. 1300 capacity, so it's real hard for me to overload it considering the squeeze to get into the front seat. The plane with 0-235 came in at 680 lbs. There's another guy in S. Africa that is flying a 0.235 powered Piete, he sent me a nice picture. With this additional weight for this engine vs C-85, if you're under 150 lbs, you'll have to put ballast in the tail. Purest------please disregard the above message or go take your meds. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion", John Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: WPTCorp@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 Has any one put 0-235 lycoming on a piet? Here in Wyoming at 5500 feet the corvair is having a little trouble. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:08 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 N-1033B Piet is sitting in hanger #8 at Palatka FL Kay Larkin Airport for any of you FL folks that want to look at a flying modified Piete with an O-235. Anybody wanting a looksee, let me know. Co-owner/rebuilder Floyd Jackson lives in Satsuma. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Thursby To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 There is a gent named George Read from Twelve Oaks Florida who's Piet is powered with a 235. It has a lot of mods. Does about a hundred cruise and climbs about a thousand a minute. Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WPTCorp@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:03 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 Has any one put 0-235 lycoming on a piet? Here in Wyoming at 5500 feet the corvair is having a little trouble.