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1. 02:11 AM - Re: dihedral vs. speed (walt evans)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Dihedral in my R/C Piet (jansam@comcast.net)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: New TACO T-shirt? (Rick Holland)
4. 06:55 AM - dihedral vs. no dihedral (Sayre, William G)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Aircamper T-shirt on Ebay (Michael D Cuy)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: 0-235 (Rick Holland)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: free Piet plans - r/c 1/7 scale (John E. Joyce)
8. 08:26 AM - My Apologies to list members (M&M Stanley)
9. 09:16 AM - Re: Aircamper T-shirt on Ebay (Sterling)
10. 09:49 AM - DVD on Ebay (Sterling)
11. 10:24 AM - auto fuel hose (Michael D Cuy)
12. 10:52 AM - Re: auto fuel hose (Phillips, Jack)
13. 11:21 AM - Re: Subject: Re: O-200 need muffler? (Frank Metcalfe)
14. 06:42 PM - Re: 4130 sheet substitution (Alan Lyscars)
15. 06:50 PM - Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral (Michael Conkling)
16. 08:44 PM - Re: auto fuel hose (Rcaprd@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: dihedral vs. speed |
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Clif,
Yeah, And I did feel silly yelling "comming about" and ducking my head, all the
way back.
walt evans
NX140DL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedral vs. speed
So, Walt The Sailor, did you tack back? :-) :-)
Clif, controls almost finished.
Went up yesterday morning even though the winds were gusting. Even though I
got bounced around, it was still controllable.flew south like a rocket, then turned
North and kind of stopped. Guess the winds were around 20mph up thereIt
was fun.""Calm seas do not a good sailor make""
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Dihedral in my R/C Piet |
John,
Where in Delaware are you located? Are you building a full scale AirCamper
and if so, how far along are you to completing it? I'm in Dover and probably
75% along on mine. Greg, another Piet builder, lives in Dagsboro. He is just
getting started on his wing ribs.
Sam
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From: "John and Phyllis Smoyer" <jpsmoyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral in my R/C Piet
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DJ: I'd love to have a copy of the plans for your RC PIet. Thanks very much.
John Smoyer in Delaware
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| Subject: | Re: New TACO T-shirt? |
Put medown for one also.
I'm thinking about throwing away some more money on a new tee-shirt. You can
> see the design, featuring some fabulous artwork by DJ Vegh by pasting the
> below link in your browser.
>
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | dihedral vs. no dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Hopefully, Forest Lovely will jump in here if my memory is shot, but I believe
I have a letter saying that Bernard did add dihedral to the one piece wing. If
I remember the description was that he had two fellas lift up on the wingtips
when he measured for the lift-strut length resulting in some dihedral. I never
was able to get how much out of him though.
I'll mention it again - I had a Piet with anhedral and it would quickly drop one
wing or the other when stalled. Made for very hairy landings at times.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper T-shirt on Ebay |
Sterling-- that is an EXCELLENT auction. You are hilarious !
Mike C.
At 07:12 PM 5/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>What a deal. I wish I had one. Ebay item # 45487633524ba468.jpg
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4548763352#ebayphotohosting>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4548763352#ebayphotohosting
>
>
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What airport elevation do you fly out of Dave?
Rick H in Colorado
On 5/7/05, WPTCorp@aol.com <WPTCorp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Have had some trouble with the email getting to me. So here is the same
> question again.
> It would sure help me if someone has some information on putting a 0-235
> on a aircamper, my covair in Wyoming is a little weak so any or all
> information would help. Pictures,weight and balance , motor mounts etc.
> thanks
> Dave Calar
> N14961
>
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | free Piet plans - r/c 1/7 scale |
DJ:
Thanks for the link to the plans.
Regards,
John
John Joyce
9 Sylvia Road
North Reading, MA 01864
978.664.3578
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: free Piet plans - r/c 1/7 scale
I got quite a few off line emails for the plans. rather than send out
separate emails I'll just post a link to them
I'll make them available for free. I'll keep the link active for one
week. Please, these are for Piet list members only. I'm selling them on
ebay to the general public.
here ya go. They are in .pdf format and can be printed on large paper
at a blueprint or copy shop for about $10.
www.imagedv.com/aircamperplans_pietlist.zip
and hey... while I'm at it, here's a link to the Cessna Citation II
plans I drew a couple years ago (electric ducted fan power)
www.imagedv.com/citationplans_pietlist.zip
DJ Vegh
N74DV
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| Subject: | My Apologies to list members |
G'Day Pieters,
Just a quick note to apologize for my last message appearing 3 times on
today. My wife was testing something in outlook express and she used my
original mail, hence it was sent out 3 times. Please accept my apologies for
filling up today's list with junk.
Regs
Mark S
Japan (for now)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper T-shirt on Ebay |
I just added a new product on Ebay for non-constipated pilots/builders and wannabees.
Check this out
# 4549090719
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper T-shirt on Ebay
Sterling-- that is an EXCELLENT auction. You are hilarious !
Mike C.
At 07:12 PM 5/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
What a deal. I wish I had one. Ebay item # 4548763352
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item4548763352#ebayphotohosting
Pietenpol-List Email Forum -
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For your viewing pleasure, I've submitted a DVD on Ebay showing my first flight
in an airplane I built back in 1992ish. The DVD shows my first flight in my Avid
Sportster I named, Felix The Kit. The video was shot totally from a cockpit
perspective using a couple of microcams I used to have. I barely made the runway
and bounced a lousy landing, but I survived. Music accompanies the hair-raising
experience as I take off and land and beat the odds. I flew that sucker
on the hottest day in July many years ago here in Texas. It was windy and nasty.
And, I flew it without an audience. I figured if I crashed and burned, I'd
be too darned embarrased to want to live through the ordeal having to suffer
all those indignities. After I landed, I phoned my dad (WW2 aviator, retired
jet jocky and A&P mechanic) and I told Pop "I had just made my first flight."
He said, "Son there is only one reason why God allows for propellers on an airplane...
That's to keep the pilot cool because if that big fan quits in mid-air,
you should see the pilot sweat. AND WHY DID YOU FLY WHEN NOBODY WAS WATCHING?"
(OK, call me the Village Idiot...)
Also, for anyone contemplating installing a VW based engine in an airplane, I've
added to this DVD the Mosler 82X Installation video that I produced for my client
Mosler Motors, formerly based in North Carolina, and no longer in business.
The installation video highlights the numerous basic steps of installing their
engine in an Avid. It runs a tad over 33 minutes. For more info about the
Mosler engine, see my auction. This segment will help most anyone thinking about
installing a VW engine in an airplane.
My wild ride in my Avid runs about 8 minutes.
Flying an airplane I built was one of the highlights of my life, but the DVD I've
posted on Ebay is grainy as heck, washed out and basically a poor representation
of my professional work in television since 1973. But, it's a hoot and it
has inspired a mess of my friends to get off the sofa, outta the house and in
the garage to finish their own airplane projects. If I were you, don't bid too
much on my DVD. I just need a little money to buy gas for my Pietenpol someday.
I figure selling a couple of these DVDs will let me put some money in my
piggy bank so I can get a few gallons of go-juice for my trip to Brodhead next
year.
Ebay item number 4549090719
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch & Sometimes Digital Video Studio,
but mostly a house-husband & dog sitter/rescuer.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Group-- for a list of reasons I won't bore you with, I'm going to use 1/4"
gascolater and carb. These will be straight runs with no bends.
See any reason why I shouldn't go this route ? It is a VW engine and I am
using premium auto fuel, gravity fed.
thanks !
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
Is this a flexible hose? If not, can it absorb the normal vibrations of
the engine?
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: auto fuel hose
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Group-- for a list of reasons I won't bore you with, I'm going to use
1/4"
gascolater and carb. These will be straight runs with no bends.
See any reason why I shouldn't go this route ? It is a VW engine and I
am
using premium auto fuel, gravity fed.
thanks !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | O-200 need muffler? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Frank Metcalfe" <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
I use a Sigtronics 400 N intercom in a Ferugson Ultralite with a Rotax 503
sitting right above my head. This plane is noisy. The intercom works great.
It is made for open cockpit and war birds. I use standard head sets with out
ANR and have plenty of volume and clarity. We talked to Dave Clark at
sun-n-fun about head sets in open cockpit flying. To our surprize they said
to use one of there cheapest set. I can get you the model number this week
end. They said that ANR models will not work right in the open cocpit
envorment. To much wind.
I would give the 400N intercom a ride. It run about $235.00
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Brousseau
Subject: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200 need muffler?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Thanks for all the good comments. I guess I will go with what we have on
the present 65 Cont. I love the sound. After over 400 hours in it I didn't
realize it was noisy. <grin> Should have know when we could never get a
good conversation over the intercom.
On that subject I would like to know if anyone has come up with a good
combination of headsets and intercom that works in a Piet.
Thanks again,
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 sheet substitution |
Thanks, DJ, for your help.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 sheet substitution
I believe the plans call for .065 for the elevator horns. The new plans have
been revised to indicate .090 I think. .065 is ridiculously thin for elevator
horns, so if you plan on using the .063 for that I would not reccomend it.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 sheet substitution
Gents,
I'm reviewing the GN-1 plans today. Some of the fittings are to be built fom
.065 4130N. I've got a bunch of .063N here in the shop. I know that conventional
wisdom calls for up-sizing, but the next thickness from Aircraft Spruce
is .071. Anybody out there used .063 in their fittings?
Thanks,
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
good, bad, or indifferent -- dihedral also creates lift on the upwind wing
in a sideslip, rolling the low wing back up & helping recovery from the
slip.
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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| Subject: | Re: auto fuel hose |
In a message dated 5/9/2005 12:52:13 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
Group-- for a list of reasons I won't bore you with, I'm going to use 1/4"
gascolater and carb. These will be straight runs with no bends.
See any reason why I shouldn't go this route ? It is a VW engine and I am
using premium auto fuel, gravity fed.
thanks !
Mike C.
Mike,
Is this for your A65 ? You have to check the flow rate with the nose up at
the highest Angle of Attack, lowest fuel quantity, and end up with at least
125% of the highest fuel burn rate. That said, I don't think 1/4" hose is not
large enough for the A65.
Chuck G.
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