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1. 06:30 AM - this is what it's all about (walt evans)
2. 08:17 AM - FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral (Sayre, William G)
3. 08:17 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (DJ Vegh)
4. 08:42 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Michael D Cuy)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Textor, Jack)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral (Galen Hutcheson)
7. 11:16 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Galen Hutcheson)
8. 01:22 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans)
9. 01:23 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans)
10. 01:29 PM - heating the carb (walt evans)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: heating the carb (Phillips, Jack)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Michael D Cuy)
13. 02:27 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Galen Hutcheson)
15. 08:27 PM - 3 foot center section - # of ribs (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
16. 08:45 PM - Ribs etc. (Mike Green)
17. 09:04 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | this is what it's all about |
Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She snapped this
comming in over the lake.
AIN"T LIFE GRAND!
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Per Dan's request....
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Wilson
Subject: Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral
William, please post this information for the Piet builders group.
I spoke to Vi Kapler this morning about dihedral. Vi told me that Bernard did
add dihedral to the one piece wing. He added two inches of dihedral by extending
the length of the lift struts. He measured the dihedral by extending a string
from wingtip to wingtip and measuring the distance from the string to the
top surface of the wing at the center section. Last summer at Oshkosh we covered
a Piet wing the was built by Bernard in 1966. This wing had 2 inches of dihedral.
However, Bernard felt that 2 inches was too much. On the Last Original
he used 1 inch of dihedral. Vi Kapler is building an Aircamper now. He intends
to use 1 Inch of dihedral. Bernard felt that two inches made crosswind
landing very difficult. Vi also mentioned that when rigging your wing it is
important to provide 3/8 inch washout. The washout allows the center section
of the wing to stall first then the stall moves out towards the wingtip. He also
stated that Howard Henderson built his piet with a straight wing and no washout
and claimed that it flew just fine. Vi thought that that must have been
the only one that flew well with the straight wing and no washout. I have had
the opportunity to observe Vi's craftsmanship and ask many questions, I dont
think there is anyone that know more about the Piet than Vi Kapler . I intend
to add 1 inch dihedral and 3/8 inch washout.
Dan Wilson
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
geez.... you sure don't want to lose an engine on final at that field! Nice
pic!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about
Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She snapped this
comming in over the lake.
AIN"T LIFE GRAND!
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really
neat. Approaching over the lake makes it
look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I
ask how long/wide is your pavement ?
I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ?
thanks for sharing that photo !
Mike C.
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Subject: | this is what it's all about |
What a gorgeous approach!
Jack Textor
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about
Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She
snapped this comming in over the lake.
AIN"T LIFE GRAND!
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I thought too that dihedral could be added to a one
piece wing. As I recall, my Bird biplane, which had a
huge one piece upper wing, had some dihedral in it.
But, as time goes on, I tend to forget small details.
Doc
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--- "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre,
> William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
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> Per Dan's request....
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:30 AM
> To: Sayre, William G
> Subject: Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral
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> William, please post this information for the Piet
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> I spoke to Vi Kapler this morning about dihedral.
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Walt, great shot! It brings back fond memories of a
place I had barnstormed several times. It was Turkey
Mtn. Air Park near Shell Know, MO. This was a 4000'
grass strip that ran 36-18 near Table Rock Lake.
About 100' or so off the end of 18, there was a bluff
that dropped straight down to a narrow arm of the
lake. The approach was right over the water, which
covered almost all of the approach. I used to put the
bipe in a steep slip on final to get a better look at
the runway and this always gave the riders a plesant,
sometimes frightening, view. My helper took some
video of some of these approaches which I love to go
back and watch from time to time. If anyone gets a
chance to drop in there, you won't be dissapointed,
they are some very friendly folks.
Doc
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--- walt evans <wbeevans@verizon.net> wrote:
> Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer
> friend. She snapped this comming in over the lake.
> AIN"T LIFE GRAND!
> walt evans
> NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mike et al,
Look up on WWW.google.com/maps
248 stickles pond road,newton,nj
There it is
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
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> Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really
> neat. Approaching over the lake makes it
> look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I
> ask how long/wide is your pavement ?
> I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ?
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> thanks for sharing that photo !
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> Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mike,
Thanks, I love this airport.
Don't know what the width is (but just repaved by the Gov't) and 2500'
paved with a long grass apron.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
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> Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really
> neat. Approaching over the lake makes it
> look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I
> ask how long/wide is your pavement ?
> I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ?
>
> thanks for sharing that photo !
>
> Mike C.
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Subject: | heating the carb |
I'm running an A-65 with a Stromberg carb. This AM flight gave me alot of trouble
with icing. Bounced it off the guys one airport over, who have taught in
Cubs for many years. His answer was that it's always been a problem with the
Cubs, and would be more so with the Piet cause the carb hangs out of the cowl
a bit.
His suggestion was to run a pipe from a heat muff right on to the body of the carb.
Has anyone done this with good results?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | heating the carb |
Walt,
I owned a J-3 with an A65 for several years and generally had problems
with carb ice anytime the humidity was high and the temperature was
between 20F and 60F. The Cub had a pretty effective carb heat system,
but you dare not forget to use it. On more than one occasion I had the
engine quit while taxiing for takeoff on a long taxiway on a cold
morning.
Carb ice was the general cause of my forced landing in my Pietenpol last
November. It was 27F, with high humidity, and I was picking up carb ice
in level flight so I turned my carb heat on and kept it on. Prolonged
running with carb heat sucked the stainless steel wool I had added to my
heat muff to increase heat transfer (bad idea) right into the
carburetor.
I don't think you would want to always be blowing hot air onto the
carburetor because it would have the same effect as running with carb
heat on (decreased power). Just have a good EFFECTIVE carb heat system
and know when to turn it on.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
I'm running an A-65 with a Stromberg carb. This AM flight gave me alot
of trouble with icing. Bounced it off the guys one airport over, who
have taught in Cubs for many years. His answer was that it's always
been a problem with the Cubs, and would be more so with the Piet cause
the carb hangs out of the cowl a bit.
His suggestion was to run a pipe from a heat muff right on to the body
of the carb.
Has anyone done this with good results?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Walt--- that is beautiful. I like the diagonal grass runway. You can
really see a ton of things in the
zoom satellite mode on there......you should even be able to spot your
hangar. I saw the group of them
there. The overun looks very long....nice field. More lakes in NJ than I
imagined. More trees too.
Northern Ohio is pretty much farm land. Corn and soybeans. I get funny
over all woods.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Yeah, People always have the wrong idea about New Jersey. The old joke is
"you're from New Jersey? What exit?" (off the Turnpike)
Actually NJ is 80% wooded.
One of my co-workers is from Wisconsin. When he first came here, NJ was a
joke. Now he bought a house in the NW amongst the dairy farms and horse
ranches, and I doubt if he'll ever go back. (once a cheese head,,,,,,,,,,)
walt evans
NX140DL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
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> Walt--- that is beautiful. I like the diagonal grass runway. You can
> really see a ton of things in the
> zoom satellite mode on there......you should even be able to spot your
> hangar. I saw the group of them
> there. The overun looks very long....nice field. More lakes in NJ than
I
> imagined. More trees too.
> Northern Ohio is pretty much farm land. Corn and soybeans. I get funny
> over all woods.
>
> Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Correction...Shell Knob, MO. Age related
typo...hummmm.....
Doc
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen
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> Walt, great shot! It brings back fond memories of a
> place I had barnstormed several times. It was
> Turkey
> Mtn. Air Park near Shell Know, MO.
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> > Comming back from a photo shoot with my
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Subject: | 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Hey guys,
I'm planning on building the 3'-0" center section that Bill Rewey has suggested
for a larger center section tank. I'm working on my wing ribs now and am wondering
how many to make for this design. It looks to me like the two end ribs
are "doubled up". In other words, where the center section and the wing connect
there are 2 ribs on each side. Is that right? If that's the case do I need
31 ribs??
Tom B.
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Has anyone had any dealings with Design 52 Studio? A friend building a Flybaby
sent me the link below, he got a lot of his 4130 fittings from this guy and from
what I saw on the weekend, they look great. I was thinking of getting the 3
piece wing rib set from him (haven't got a price back as yet).
I know, I know,....I should be building them myself but if it gets me in the air
any sooner, I'm all for it.
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Here's the link - http://www.design52studio.com/index2.htm
Mike Green
Romsey,
Victoria,
Australia
VH-MNM (Reserved)
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Subject: | Re: this is what it's all about |
Walt,
That's a great picture of the final approach. Do you do most of your
landings on hard surface ? I have found that if I land on the hard surface, to
avoid
a bounce, I do a wheel landing. On the grass, the full stall (3 point
landing) is preferred, and has a lot shorter roll out. When I try to full stall
'er
on the hard surface, I always get a bounce landing. I much prefer landing on
the grass.
BTW, I flew yesterday and full throttle level flight I was indicating almost
80 mph, with the adjusted tach reading 2250 rpm. GPS was showing 92 mph.
Return trip the GPS was showing a little over 70.
Chuck G.
I had to squirm around the cockpit to manage the video camera, so I rigged a
little string & arm on the video camera, for remote On / Off. It works !!
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