---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/10/05:17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:30 AM - this is what it's all about (walt evans) 2. 08:17 AM - FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral (Sayre, William G) 3. 08:17 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (DJ Vegh) 4. 08:42 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Michael D Cuy) 5. 08:49 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Textor, Jack) 6. 10:59 AM - Re: FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral (Galen Hutcheson) 7. 11:16 AM - Re: this is what it's all about (Galen Hutcheson) 8. 01:22 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans) 9. 01:23 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans) 10. 01:29 PM - heating the carb (walt evans) 11. 01:38 PM - Re: heating the carb (Phillips, Jack) 12. 01:41 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Michael D Cuy) 13. 02:27 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (walt evans) 14. 06:07 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Galen Hutcheson) 15. 08:27 PM - 3 foot center section - # of ribs (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 16. 08:45 PM - Ribs etc. (Mike Green) 17. 09:04 PM - Re: this is what it's all about (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:17 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She snapped this comming in over the lake. AIN"T LIFE GRAND! walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Per Dan's request.... -----Original Message----- From: Dan Wilson Subject: Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral William, please post this information for the Piet builders group. I spoke to Vi Kapler this morning about dihedral. Vi told me that Bernard did add dihedral to the one piece wing. He added two inches of dihedral by extending the length of the lift struts. He measured the dihedral by extending a string from wingtip to wingtip and measuring the distance from the string to the top surface of the wing at the center section. Last summer at Oshkosh we covered a Piet wing the was built by Bernard in 1966. This wing had 2 inches of dihedral. However, Bernard felt that 2 inches was too much. On the Last Original he used 1 inch of dihedral. Vi Kapler is building an Aircamper now. He intends to use 1 Inch of dihedral. Bernard felt that two inches made crosswind landing very difficult. Vi also mentioned that when rigging your wing it is important to provide 3/8 inch washout. The washout allows the center section of the wing to stall first then the stall moves out towards the wingtip. He also stated that Howard Henderson built his piet with a straight wing and no washout and claimed that it flew just fine. Vi thought that that must have been the only one that flew well with the straight wing and no washout. I have had the opportunity to observe Vi's craftsmanship and ask many questions, I dont think there is anyone that know more about the Piet than Vi Kapler . I intend to add 1 inch dihedral and 3/8 inch washout. Dan Wilson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:52 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about geez.... you sure don't want to lose an engine on final at that field! Nice pic! DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She snapped this comming in over the lake. AIN"T LIFE GRAND! walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:08 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really neat. Approaching over the lake makes it look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I ask how long/wide is your pavement ? I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ? thanks for sharing that photo ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about From: "Textor, Jack" What a gorgeous approach! Jack Textor Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer friend. She snapped this comming in over the lake. AIN"T LIFE GRAND! walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:41 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mLwQx+8/fcXtyu38NUfi6uJowcCDM8AMD16lyTmjqIfsXawtTUlJ3zx4nHuTt5tbbGrjpeXh6k/UJklVj3U0XMM00unisJtfukNO5oKsWsl/u2wRSo5lPpBK08FMMVxmbqv5qbLV+3O3hHiIlGwWfvJJHNljGlcBeDuN9Ly91TM= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: dihedral vs. no dihedral --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson I thought too that dihedral could be added to a one piece wing. As I recall, my Bird biplane, which had a huge one piece upper wing, had some dihedral in it. But, as time goes on, I tend to forget small details. Doc Do Not Archive --- "Sayre, William G" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, > William G" > > Per Dan's request.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:30 AM > To: Sayre, William G > Subject: Re: dihedral vs. no dihedral > > > William, please post this information for the Piet > builders group. > > I spoke to Vi Kapler this morning about dihedral. > Vi told me that Bernard did add dihedral to the one > piece wing. > > Dan Wilson > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:32 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FrlR9I1jZX9gMokqR6IuvqKw0/O96+DvYoRm9IdacEH96VFv05swpM/pDqs1YRIppX32Ep4vof/Ph/LVDieNu+8CCc0rJKdrxcLRWizmHdKtaL0W+JVy5ZHaUKhvbec3J2ycby2cSdRpDEumLx0/AZ/u9PTp1sY1+nwfPuIWowo= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Walt, great shot! It brings back fond memories of a place I had barnstormed several times. It was Turkey Mtn. Air Park near Shell Know, MO. This was a 4000' grass strip that ran 36-18 near Table Rock Lake. About 100' or so off the end of 18, there was a bluff that dropped straight down to a narrow arm of the lake. The approach was right over the water, which covered almost all of the approach. I used to put the bipe in a steep slip on final to get a better look at the runway and this always gave the riders a plesant, sometimes frightening, view. My helper took some video of some of these approaches which I love to go back and watch from time to time. If anyone gets a chance to drop in there, you won't be dissapointed, they are some very friendly folks. Doc Do Not Archive --- walt evans wrote: > Comming back from a photo shoot with my photographer > friend. She snapped this comming in over the lake. > AIN"T LIFE GRAND! > walt evans > NX140DL > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:45 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Mike et al, Look up on WWW.google.com/maps 248 stickles pond road,newton,nj There it is walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really > neat. Approaching over the lake makes it > look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I > ask how long/wide is your pavement ? > I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ? > > thanks for sharing that photo ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:31 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Mike, Thanks, I love this airport. Don't know what the width is (but just repaved by the Gov't) and 2500' paved with a long grass apron. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Walt--that is a beauuutiful photo. Your airport looks really > neat. Approaching over the lake makes it > look like you are shooting a carrier landing from that direction. Can I > ask how long/wide is your pavement ? > I'm going to make a guess here.....35' wide x 2100' long ? > > thanks for sharing that photo ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:12 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: heating the carb I'm running an A-65 with a Stromberg carb. This AM flight gave me alot of trouble with icing. Bounced it off the guys one airport over, who have taught in Cubs for many years. His answer was that it's always been a problem with the Cubs, and would be more so with the Piet cause the carb hangs out of the cowl a bit. His suggestion was to run a pipe from a heat muff right on to the body of the carb. Has anyone done this with good results? Thanks walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: heating the carb From: "Phillips, Jack" Walt, I owned a J-3 with an A65 for several years and generally had problems with carb ice anytime the humidity was high and the temperature was between 20F and 60F. The Cub had a pretty effective carb heat system, but you dare not forget to use it. On more than one occasion I had the engine quit while taxiing for takeoff on a long taxiway on a cold morning. Carb ice was the general cause of my forced landing in my Pietenpol last November. It was 27F, with high humidity, and I was picking up carb ice in level flight so I turned my carb heat on and kept it on. Prolonged running with carb heat sucked the stainless steel wool I had added to my heat muff to increase heat transfer (bad idea) right into the carburetor. I don't think you would want to always be blowing hot air onto the carburetor because it would have the same effect as running with carb heat on (decreased power). Just have a good EFFECTIVE carb heat system and know when to turn it on. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- I'm running an A-65 with a Stromberg carb. This AM flight gave me alot of trouble with icing. Bounced it off the guys one airport over, who have taught in Cubs for many years. His answer was that it's always been a problem with the Cubs, and would be more so with the Piet cause the carb hangs out of the cowl a bit. His suggestion was to run a pipe from a heat muff right on to the body of the carb. Has anyone done this with good results? Thanks walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:16 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Walt--- that is beautiful. I like the diagonal grass runway. You can really see a ton of things in the zoom satellite mode on there......you should even be able to spot your hangar. I saw the group of them there. The overun looks very long....nice field. More lakes in NJ than I imagined. More trees too. Northern Ohio is pretty much farm land. Corn and soybeans. I get funny over all woods. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:37 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about <5.1.1.5.2.20050510163859.02346100@popserve.grc.nasa.gov> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Yeah, People always have the wrong idea about New Jersey. The old joke is "you're from New Jersey? What exit?" (off the Turnpike) Actually NJ is 80% wooded. One of my co-workers is from Wisconsin. When he first came here, NJ was a joke. Now he bought a house in the NW amongst the dairy farms and horse ranches, and I doubt if he'll ever go back. (once a cheese head,,,,,,,,,,) walt evans NX140DL do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Walt--- that is beautiful. I like the diagonal grass runway. You can > really see a ton of things in the > zoom satellite mode on there......you should even be able to spot your > hangar. I saw the group of them > there. The overun looks very long....nice field. More lakes in NJ than I > imagined. More trees too. > Northern Ohio is pretty much farm land. Corn and soybeans. I get funny > over all woods. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:56 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Qgoy+nfrB/o7o6TfuCBoY0X7SPW16hMO8tXG6Q968zZApLFL9KK+u58w8elsus8F5bwbIhPU9IJPjyP5HfmOnb1i5vpVI9/mGrMWDN1YMr4YaF45GXsZJsgRbbQsZVNj/nmeQ0dlH17jZh6m7lYUoYGNj7GePERL0pGuIoYu/Io= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Correction...Shell Knob, MO. Age related typo...hummmm..... Doc --- Galen Hutcheson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > Walt, great shot! It brings back fond memories of a > place I had barnstormed several times. It was > Turkey > Mtn. Air Park near Shell Know, MO. > > Do Not Archive > --- walt evans wrote: > > > Comming back from a photo shoot with my > photographer > > friend. She snapped this comming in over the > lake. > > AIN"T LIFE GRAND! > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > > > > __________________________________ > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:29 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Hey guys, I'm planning on building the 3'-0" center section that Bill Rewey has suggested for a larger center section tank. I'm working on my wing ribs now and am wondering how many to make for this design. It looks to me like the two end ribs are "doubled up". In other words, where the center section and the wing connect there are 2 ribs on each side. Is that right? If that's the case do I need 31 ribs?? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:53 PM PST US From: "Mike Green" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs etc. Has anyone had any dealings with Design 52 Studio? A friend building a Flybaby sent me the link below, he got a lot of his 4130 fittings from this guy and from what I saw on the weekend, they look great. I was thinking of getting the 3 piece wing rib set from him (haven't got a price back as yet). I know, I know,....I should be building them myself but if it gets me in the air any sooner, I'm all for it. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Here's the link - http://www.design52studio.com/index2.htm Mike Green Romsey, Victoria, Australia VH-MNM (Reserved) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:19 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: this is what it's all about Walt, That's a great picture of the final approach. Do you do most of your landings on hard surface ? I have found that if I land on the hard surface, to avoid a bounce, I do a wheel landing. On the grass, the full stall (3 point landing) is preferred, and has a lot shorter roll out. When I try to full stall 'er on the hard surface, I always get a bounce landing. I much prefer landing on the grass. BTW, I flew yesterday and full throttle level flight I was indicating almost 80 mph, with the adjusted tach reading 2250 rpm. GPS was showing 92 mph. Return trip the GPS was showing a little over 70. Chuck G. I had to squirm around the cockpit to manage the video camera, so I rigged a little string & arm on the video camera, for remote On / Off. It works !!