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1. 01:55 AM - Navigational Assistance Required (Hayes, Mike)
2. 04:36 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required (Phillips, Jack)
3. 04:37 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required ()
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required (Sterling)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Textor, Jack)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Rick Holland)
7. 08:07 AM - Monroe Wisc. has motels (Michael D Cuy)
8. 08:09 AM - Greg Cardinal update (Michael D Cuy)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
10. 01:29 PM - Re: 3 foot center section (Bill Church)
11. 03:52 PM - Re: Greg Cardinal update ()
12. 07:42 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 08:14 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Dick Navratil)
14. 08:20 PM - Re: Ribs etc. (Dick Navratil)
15. 08:32 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Sterling)
16. 09:53 PM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (Steve Ruse)
17. 10:49 PM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (DJ Vegh)
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Subject: | Navigational Assistance Required |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" <Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
Hello Chaps,
Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I
think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22
July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh.
Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an excellent
place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the weekend
of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5
hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion from
track?
Any information gratefully received!
Regards,
Mike Hayes
G-BKVO
Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire!
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Subject: | Navigational Assistance Required |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
Hi Mike,
There will be nothing going on at OSH on the 22nd anyway, so you might
as well take in Brodhead. It is an easy drive from Chicago - about 2
hours. Then from Brodhead to Oshkosh is about another 2 hour drive
(through lots of cornfields). The only difficulty will be in finding a
place to stay at Brodhead. There are no hotels there, so camping is the
only real possiblity for staying there. The last time I went I stayed
in a hotel in Madison, Wisconsin, which is about 30 minutes north of
Brodhead.
Hope to see you there
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike"
<Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
Hello Chaps,
Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA
Chapter I
think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22
July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh.
Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an
excellent
place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the
weekend
of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5
hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion
from
track?
Any information gratefully received!
Regards,
Mike Hayes
G-BKVO
Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire!
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Subject: | Re: Navigational Assistance Required |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Hi Mike,
The diversion is slight but entirely within
reason. 2 - 3 hours from O'Hare to Brodhead.
2 hours from Brodhead to Oshkosh.
See you there.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> "Hayes, Mike" <Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
>
> Hello Chaps,
>
> Two of my mates and I from our local PFA
> Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I
> think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving
> Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22
> July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car
> and drive to Oshkosh.
> Naturally I am trying to persuade them that
> Brodhead would be an excellent
> place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol
> thing is happening on the weekend
> of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it
> be? I'm told it is about a 5
> hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would
> Brodhead be a big diversion from
> track?
> Any information gratefully received!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Hayes
> G-BKVO
> Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but
> cold Herefordshire!
>
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Subject: | Re: Navigational Assistance Required |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Mike:
I went to Brodhead last year for the first time and I honestly can say I had
more fun at Brodhead than I did at Oshcash. The "side-trip" to Brodhead (for
me) was well worth the round-trip-drive from Texas. The people who attend
and operate Brodhead are a great bunch of folks and the scenery is
incredible. For my taste, the event at Oshcash is getting a bit too
"corporate" for me and Brodhead is like stepping back into time when people
were more easy going, friendly and happy that you made the journey out their
way. As a visitor to Oscash since the 1980s, lately it seems like it's being
operated by the Hitler Nazi Youth Corp with Homeland Security acting as the
SS. Brodhead is laid back and a totally different experience. I was happy to
leave my hard-earned dollars in Brodhead and Monroe to a bunch of swell
people.
I'd recommend spending the night in nearby Monroe while you are at Brodhead,
which is a short drive West (and a little south) of Brodhead. I spent a
couple of nights there last year in a very clean motel there. I tired to
find the name of the motel on the Monroe Chamber of Commerce website, but
they don't mention anything about motels. I suspect it's because they have
only 3 or so places to stay. If I can recall the name of the motel, I''l
post it, but it was operated by a family who lives at the site and they keep
their rooms spotless clean. Also, there are several really good places in
Monroe to eat. Everything from Pizza to German food. The room rate might be
a little less expensive in Monroe for one night than trying to find a place
near Oshcash. The merchants in and near Oscash go nuts in the summer and
inflate the price of eveything. Down here on the Texas coast, after a
hurricane, we put people in jail for price-gouging... but the EAA event at
Oshcash isn't an emergency... and the price-hikes are expected and tolerated
by many. Rooms near Oshcash are still cheaper than trying to find a place
in London (going back there soon for my 25th wedding anniversary!)
Cellular phone service is sparse in Brodhead, but they have a pay phone near
the picnic tables. Camping at Brodhead is fun and you can find lot's of cool
green spots to toss a bag. Look up my buddy Chuck Gantzer if you decide to
take a tent to Brodhead. Chuck is an encyclopedia of knowledge when it comes
the aircamper and things mechanical, and please feed him a Guiness Stout
while you are picking his brain.
If and when I get my Aircamper flying in a year or two, my flight-adventure
will take to Brodhead as many times as my piggy bank and wife will allow,
but I doubt if I'll ever be visiting Oshcash again.
Going to Hondo, Texas fly-in (www.swri.org) this week looking for Piet
parts...
(British) Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch
5TA6, San Antonio Sectional
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hayes, Mike" <Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike"
<Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
>
> Hello Chaps,
>
> Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter
I
> think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22
> July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh.
> Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an excellent
> place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the
weekend
> of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5
> hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion from
> track?
> Any information gratefully received!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Hayes
> G-BKVO
> Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire!
>
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Subject: | 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Tom,
Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section?
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
I am doing the 3 ft. center section also. I count just two full ribs, one at
each side, I covered the outside of each with 1/16 ply per Mr. Cuy's
recomendation. Bill instructions say to add 1/4 inch plywood on the bottom
(with a 12" hole in the middle) which contacts the two ribs (and is gusseted
to them), which makes it sound unlikely that more than two full ribs can be
used. The 1/4" ply makes it heavier that the standard 1/8" but but who are
we to argue a successful, flight proven design? I am going to add two nose
ribs, and add a flop later making it actually a four piece wing.
Rick H.
On 5/10/05, tmbrant1@netzero.com <tmbrant1@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <
> tmbrant1@netzero.net>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm planning on building the 3'-0" center section that Bill Rewey has
> suggested for a larger center section tank. I'm working on my wing ribs now
> and am wondering how many to make for this design. It looks to me like the
> two end ribs are "doubled up". In other words, where the center section and
> the wing connect there are 2 ribs on each side. Is that right? If that's the
> case do I need 31 ribs??
>
> Tom B.
>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
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Subject: | Monroe Wisc. has motels |
m>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Mike Hayes--- we've stayed at motels in Monroe, WI which is a neat little city
about 11 miles west of Brodhead. They have some decent restaurants
too. Had a delicious
prime rib there one year.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Greg Cardinal update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Greg-- how's your plane doing ? Will we see you and your partner at
Brodhead.
I'm hoping to fly up in formation w/ Jack's spanking new Piet.
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.com>
I guess the two ribs I was talking about is one on the center section and then
1 on the wing - making two per side. I think we still need 30 ribs now that I
look at it again. 2 middle ribs are removed for tank and just the nose section
provided.
Anyone confirm it's 30 ribs?
Tom B.
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Subject: | 3 foot center section |
Rick,
Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote, or maybe I missed something, but as I
remember "Mr. Cuy's" video, he recommends adding a two-inch wide strip of
plywood to the butt ribs when building the three-piece wing, to prevent the
fabric from pulling the capstrips sideways. That strip follows the profile
of the rib, top and bottom. I don't recall a recommendation to cover the
outside of each end rib. The strips (as Mike recommends), are shown in Vi
Kapler's three-piece wing plans as supplied by Don Pietenpol. I have seen
photos of wings built to the UK Pietenpol plans, and they do show the butt
ribs with a plywood skin, but that probably has something to do with the
aileron quick-disconnect feature, and the increased likelihood of taking the
wings apart regularly.
Maybe I need to watch the video again. That videotape is going to wear out
soon!
Ever thought of transferring the video to DVD, Mike?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs
I am doing the 3 ft. center section also. I count just two full ribs, one at
each side, I covered the outside of each with 1/16 ply per Mr. Cuy's
recomendation....
Rick H.
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Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Mike,
Thanks for asking.
The FAA has told the DAR to go ahead with the
final inspection.
The inspection will hopefully be completed
within a week or two.
We'll have to do some serious flying to make
it to Brodhead this year
but it is still within reach.
Note to list- do NOT attempt to register your
Pietenpol as a motor-glider........
Greg Cardinal
Ready to thermal in Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy"
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal update
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Greg-- how's your plane doing ? Will we
> see you and your partner at Brodhead.
>
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:49:14 PM Central Standard Time,
tmbrant1@netzero.com writes:
Anyone confirm it's 30 ribs?
Tom,
You should build at least one extra rib for a wall hanging. They look better
than a prop !! Wouldn't hurt to build 2 extra ribs, and use the best ones in
the wing.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Jack
I did a quick calculation on this. If a tank is 28"x35"x4.5" that will come
to 19.14 gal.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack"
> <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
>
> Tom,
> Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section?
> Jack Textor
>
>
>
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Mike
Don't feel guilty about buying parts. The steel fittings, they take a lot of time
to make. I bought all of the fittings first time around. Now I'm finding
how difficult they are.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Green
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs etc.
Has anyone had any dealings with Design 52 Studio? A friend building a Flybaby
sent me the link below, he got a lot of his 4130 fittings from this guy and
from what I saw on the weekend, they look great. I was thinking of getting the
3 piece wing rib set from him (haven't got a price back as yet).
I know, I know,....I should be building them myself but if it gets me in the
air any sooner, I'm all for it.
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Here's the link - http://www.design52studio.com/index2.htm
Mike Green
Romsey,
Victoria,
Australia
VH-MNM (Reserved)
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
The Pietenpol I bought in Mineral Bluff, Georgia 2 years ago had a
centersection tank. It fully encompassed the void in the centersection and
it held 11 gallons (when it wasn't leaking...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Jack
> I did a quick calculation on this. If a tank is 28"x35"x4.5" that will
come
> to 19.14 gal.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack"
> > <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
> >
> > Tom,
> > Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section?
> > Jack Textor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Steve's trip--tell us more ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy, so
it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I basically
just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it.
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/
TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two weddings,
and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In June for
sure!
Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
N6383J - KGYI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country
was and how she flies !!!!!!
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
OUTSTANDING!!!!! I LOVE IT!
Gave me a moderate dose of motivation! I need those whenever I can grab
them. Thanks for sharing!!! What makes this story mean a little more to me
than others is I have seen this bird, sat in it, closed my eyes and let my
imagination take me on a flight around the patch.... you got to do it for
real ;)
many thanks for the story
DJ Vegh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse"
> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy, so
> it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I basically
> just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it.
>
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/
>
> TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two weddings,
> and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In June
> for
> sure!
>
> Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
> N6383J - KGYI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
> Cuy
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:21 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country
> was and how she flies !!!!!!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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