---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/11/05:17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:55 AM - Navigational Assistance Required (Hayes, Mike) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required (Phillips, Jack) 3. 04:37 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required () 4. 07:13 AM - Re: Navigational Assistance Required (Sterling) 5. 07:31 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Textor, Jack) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Rick Holland) 7. 08:07 AM - Monroe Wisc. has motels (Michael D Cuy) 8. 08:09 AM - Greg Cardinal update (Michael D Cuy) 9. 10:47 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 10. 01:29 PM - Re: 3 foot center section (Bill Church) 11. 03:52 PM - Re: Greg Cardinal update () 12. 07:42 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Rcaprd@aol.com) 13. 08:14 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Dick Navratil) 14. 08:20 PM - Re: Ribs etc. (Dick Navratil) 15. 08:32 PM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Sterling) 16. 09:53 PM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (Steve Ruse) 17. 10:49 PM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:28 AM PST US From: "Hayes, Mike" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" Hello Chaps, Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22 July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh. Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an excellent place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the weekend of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5 hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion from track? Any information gratefully received! Regards, Mike Hayes G-BKVO Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire! 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We cannot to the extent permitted by law accept any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses and it is therefore your responsibility to scan the attachments (if any) and carry out your own virus check before opening any attachments. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Mike, There will be nothing going on at OSH on the 22nd anyway, so you might as well take in Brodhead. It is an easy drive from Chicago - about 2 hours. Then from Brodhead to Oshkosh is about another 2 hour drive (through lots of cornfields). The only difficulty will be in finding a place to stay at Brodhead. There are no hotels there, so camping is the only real possiblity for staying there. The last time I went I stayed in a hotel in Madison, Wisconsin, which is about 30 minutes north of Brodhead. Hope to see you there Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" Hello Chaps, Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22 July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh. Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an excellent place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the weekend of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5 hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion from track? Any information gratefully received! Regards, Mike Hayes G-BKVO Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hi Mike, The diversion is slight but entirely within reason. 2 - 3 hours from O'Hare to Brodhead. 2 hours from Brodhead to Oshkosh. See you there. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > "Hayes, Mike" > > Hello Chaps, > > Two of my mates and I from our local PFA > Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I > think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving > Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22 > July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car > and drive to Oshkosh. > Naturally I am trying to persuade them that > Brodhead would be an excellent > place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol > thing is happening on the weekend > of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it > be? I'm told it is about a 5 > hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would > Brodhead be a big diversion from > track? > Any information gratefully received! > > Regards, > > Mike Hayes > G-BKVO > Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but > cold Herefordshire! > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:30 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" Mike: I went to Brodhead last year for the first time and I honestly can say I had more fun at Brodhead than I did at Oshcash. The "side-trip" to Brodhead (for me) was well worth the round-trip-drive from Texas. The people who attend and operate Brodhead are a great bunch of folks and the scenery is incredible. For my taste, the event at Oshcash is getting a bit too "corporate" for me and Brodhead is like stepping back into time when people were more easy going, friendly and happy that you made the journey out their way. As a visitor to Oscash since the 1980s, lately it seems like it's being operated by the Hitler Nazi Youth Corp with Homeland Security acting as the SS. Brodhead is laid back and a totally different experience. I was happy to leave my hard-earned dollars in Brodhead and Monroe to a bunch of swell people. I'd recommend spending the night in nearby Monroe while you are at Brodhead, which is a short drive West (and a little south) of Brodhead. I spent a couple of nights there last year in a very clean motel there. I tired to find the name of the motel on the Monroe Chamber of Commerce website, but they don't mention anything about motels. I suspect it's because they have only 3 or so places to stay. If I can recall the name of the motel, I''l post it, but it was operated by a family who lives at the site and they keep their rooms spotless clean. Also, there are several really good places in Monroe to eat. Everything from Pizza to German food. The room rate might be a little less expensive in Monroe for one night than trying to find a place near Oshcash. The merchants in and near Oscash go nuts in the summer and inflate the price of eveything. Down here on the Texas coast, after a hurricane, we put people in jail for price-gouging... but the EAA event at Oshcash isn't an emergency... and the price-hikes are expected and tolerated by many. Rooms near Oshcash are still cheaper than trying to find a place in London (going back there soon for my 25th wedding anniversary!) Cellular phone service is sparse in Brodhead, but they have a pay phone near the picnic tables. Camping at Brodhead is fun and you can find lot's of cool green spots to toss a bag. Look up my buddy Chuck Gantzer if you decide to take a tent to Brodhead. Chuck is an encyclopedia of knowledge when it comes the aircamper and things mechanical, and please feed him a Guiness Stout while you are picking his brain. If and when I get my Aircamper flying in a year or two, my flight-adventure will take to Brodhead as many times as my piggy bank and wife will allow, but I doubt if I'll ever be visiting Oshcash again. Going to Hondo, Texas fly-in (www.swri.org) this week looking for Piet parts... (British) Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch 5TA6, San Antonio Sectional ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayes, Mike" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Navigational Assistance Required > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" > > Hello Chaps, > > Two of my mates and I from our local PFA Strut (UK version of EAA Chapter I > think) are coming over to Oshkosh, arriving Chicago O'Hare at 1500 on 22 > July 05. The plan is simply to hire a car and drive to Oshkosh. > Naturally I am trying to persuade them that Brodhead would be an excellent > place to visit, as I believe the Pietenpol thing is happening on the weekend > of 23/24 July 05, but how feasible would it be? I'm told it is about a 5 > hour drive from OHR to Oshkosh, but would Brodhead be a big diversion from > track? > Any information gratefully received! > > Regards, > > Mike Hayes > G-BKVO > Wearing out the carb heat knob in sunny but cold Herefordshire! > -- > This message and any associated files sent by Denco Limited, Delimon Denco > Lubrication Limited and Franklin Hodge Industries Limited are confidential, > and intended only for the addressee named above. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the IT Helpdesk by telephone immediately on 01432 > 377305 (UK) or +(44) 1432 377 305 (international) or return it to us by > e-mail quoting the name of the sender and the address. Please also be > advised that if you have received this email in error and that any > disclosure and/or use of the information contained within this email or > attachments is strictly prohibited. > > Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the > sender and do not necessarily represent those of Denco Limited, Delimon Denco > Lubrication Limited and Franklin Hodge Industries Limited their divisions > and/or subsidiaries, unless otherwise specifically stated. > > Please note that this e-mail and any attachments have not been encrypted. > They may therefore be liable to be compromised. This is an inherent risk > in relation to e-mail. Denco Holdings Limited its divisions subsidiaries > and divisions of subsidiaries do not, to the extent permitted by law, accept > any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any changes > made to this e-mail after it has been sent by the original sender, any > external compromises of security and/or breaches of confidentiality in > relation to transmissions sent by e-mail. > > We cannot to the extent permitted by law accept any liability (whether in > contract, negligence or otherwise) for any damage sustained as a result of > any software viruses and it is therefore your responsibility to scan the > attachments (if any) and carry out your own virus check before opening any > attachments. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs From: "Textor, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Tom, Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section? Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:35 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs I am doing the 3 ft. center section also. I count just two full ribs, one at each side, I covered the outside of each with 1/16 ply per Mr. Cuy's recomendation. Bill instructions say to add 1/4 inch plywood on the bottom (with a 12" hole in the middle) which contacts the two ribs (and is gusseted to them), which makes it sound unlikely that more than two full ribs can be used. The 1/4" ply makes it heavier that the standard 1/8" but but who are we to argue a successful, flight proven design? I am going to add two nose ribs, and add a flop later making it actually a four piece wing. Rick H. On 5/10/05, tmbrant1@netzero.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" < > tmbrant1@netzero.net> > > Hey guys, > > I'm planning on building the 3'-0" center section that Bill Rewey has > suggested for a larger center section tank. I'm working on my wing ribs now > and am wondering how many to make for this design. It looks to me like the > two end ribs are "doubled up". In other words, where the center section and > the wing connect there are 2 ribs on each side. Is that right? If that's the > case do I need 31 ribs?? > > Tom B. > > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:40 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Monroe Wisc. has motels m> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Mike Hayes--- we've stayed at motels in Monroe, WI which is a neat little city about 11 miles west of Brodhead. They have some decent restaurants too. Had a delicious prime rib there one year. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:30 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal update --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Greg-- how's your plane doing ? Will we see you and your partner at Brodhead. I'm hoping to fly up in formation w/ Jack's spanking new Piet. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:59 AM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" I guess the two ribs I was talking about is one on the center section and then 1 on the wing - making two per side. I think we still need 30 ribs now that I look at it again. 2 middle ribs are removed for tank and just the nose section provided. Anyone confirm it's 30 ribs? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:32 PM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section Rick, Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote, or maybe I missed something, but as I remember "Mr. Cuy's" video, he recommends adding a two-inch wide strip of plywood to the butt ribs when building the three-piece wing, to prevent the fabric from pulling the capstrips sideways. That strip follows the profile of the rib, top and bottom. I don't recall a recommendation to cover the outside of each end rib. The strips (as Mike recommends), are shown in Vi Kapler's three-piece wing plans as supplied by Don Pietenpol. I have seen photos of wings built to the UK Pietenpol plans, and they do show the butt ribs with a plywood skin, but that probably has something to do with the aileron quick-disconnect feature, and the increased likelihood of taking the wings apart regularly. Maybe I need to watch the video again. That videotape is going to wear out soon! Ever thought of transferring the video to DVD, Mike? Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs I am doing the 3 ft. center section also. I count just two full ribs, one at each side, I covered the outside of each with 1/16 ply per Mr. Cuy's recomendation.... Rick H. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal update --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike, Thanks for asking. The FAA has told the DAR to go ahead with the final inspection. The inspection will hopefully be completed within a week or two. We'll have to do some serious flying to make it to Brodhead this year but it is still within reach. Note to list- do NOT attempt to register your Pietenpol as a motor-glider........ Greg Cardinal Ready to thermal in Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal update > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > Michael D Cuy > > Greg-- how's your plane doing ? Will we > see you and your partner at Brodhead. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:55 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:49:14 PM Central Standard Time, tmbrant1@netzero.com writes: Anyone confirm it's 30 ribs? Tom, You should build at least one extra rib for a wall hanging. They look better than a prop !! Wouldn't hurt to build 2 extra ribs, and use the best ones in the wing. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:44 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" Jack I did a quick calculation on this. If a tank is 28"x35"x4.5" that will come to 19.14 gal. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Textor, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" > > > Tom, > Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section? > Jack Textor > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:30 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs etc. Mike Don't feel guilty about buying parts. The steel fittings, they take a lot of time to make. I bought all of the fittings first time around. Now I'm finding how difficult they are. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Green To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs etc. Has anyone had any dealings with Design 52 Studio? A friend building a Flybaby sent me the link below, he got a lot of his 4130 fittings from this guy and from what I saw on the weekend, they look great. I was thinking of getting the 3 piece wing rib set from him (haven't got a price back as yet). I know, I know,....I should be building them myself but if it gets me in the air any sooner, I'm all for it. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Here's the link - http://www.design52studio.com/index2.htm Mike Green Romsey, Victoria, Australia VH-MNM (Reserved) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:17 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" The Pietenpol I bought in Mineral Bluff, Georgia 2 years ago had a centersection tank. It fully encompassed the void in the centersection and it held 11 gallons (when it wasn't leaking...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" > > Jack > I did a quick calculation on this. If a tank is 28"x35"x4.5" that will come > to 19.14 gal. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Textor, Jack" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3 foot center section - # of ribs > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" > > > > > > Tom, > > Do you know the fuel tank capacity with the 3 foot center section? > > Jack Textor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:18 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy, so it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I basically just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it. http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/ TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two weddings, and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In June for sure! Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX N6383J - KGYI -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country was and how she flies !!!!!! Mike C. -- -- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:27 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" OUTSTANDING!!!!! I LOVE IT! Gave me a moderate dose of motivation! I need those whenever I can grab them. Thanks for sharing!!! What makes this story mean a little more to me than others is I have seen this bird, sat in it, closed my eyes and let my imagination take me on a flight around the patch.... you got to do it for real ;) many thanks for the story DJ Vegh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" > > > Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy, so > it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I basically > just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it. > > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/ > > TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two weddings, > and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In June > for > sure! > > Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX > N6383J - KGYI > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D > Cuy > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:21 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more ! > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country > was and how she flies !!!!!! > > Mike C. > > > -- > > -- > > >