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1. 05:42 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (Rick Holland)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (Steve Ruse)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (John Ford)
5. 07:26 AM - what a crock this is (Michael D Cuy)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 08:21 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Steve Eldredge)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: what a crock this is (DJ Vegh)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Gordon Bowen)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Jim Ash)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
12. 10:37 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Sterling)
13. 10:58 AM - Oshkosh observations (Michael D Cuy)
14. 11:01 AM - X-Country, Brodhead (TBYH@AOL.COM)
15. 11:15 AM - Re: what a crock this is (Mark)
16. 11:25 AM - I think this is a NPR (Michael D Cuy)
17. 11:43 AM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Phillips, Jack)
18. 12:08 PM - Re: 0-235 (Norman Stapelberg)
19. 01:09 PM - Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! (DJ Vegh)
20. 01:14 PM - Re: what a crock this is (walt evans)
21. 01:21 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (walt evans)
22. 01:39 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Michael D Cuy)
23. 01:51 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Eric Williams)
24. 02:06 PM - Re: what a crock this is (Mark)
25. 02:10 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Michael D Cuy)
26. 02:20 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (jansam@comcast.net)
27. 03:49 PM - WOW! - new GN-1 plans available (DJ Vegh)
28. 03:52 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Sterling)
29. 04:03 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Sterling)
30. 04:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Dick Navratil)
31. 04:13 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Sterling)
32. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: 0-235 (Gordon Bowen)
33. 04:46 PM - Re: what a crock this is (Gordon Bowen)
34. 05:14 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Gordon Bowen)
35. 05:44 PM - Re: WOW! - new GN-1 plans available (Jim Vydra)
36. 05:45 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Sterling)
37. 05:47 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Mark)
38. 06:45 PM - Air Venture (Paul Schermerhorn)
39. 08:13 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Rcaprd@aol.com)
40. 08:44 PM - Re: Poor Eye Sight (Steve Singleton)
41. 10:24 PM - Re: Poor Eye Sight (DJ Vegh)
42. 10:49 PM - Re: Subject: Re: O-200 need muffler? (Steve Ruse)
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
I made 30 ribs, 24 inside ribs, 4 butt ribs (extra vertical brace and 1/16"
ply on one side) and 2 tip ribs (extra vertical brace). Could be wrong
though, I have not yet finished my wings.
On 5/11/05, tmbrant1@netzero.com <tmbrant1@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <
> tmbrant1@netzero.com>
>
> I guess the two ribs I was talking about is one on the center section and
> then 1 on the wing - making two per side. I think we still need 30 ribs now
> that I look at it again. 2 middle ribs are removed for tank and just the
> nose section provided.
>
> Anyone confirm it's 30 ribs?
>
> Tom B.
>
>
>
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Rick Holland
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Subject: | Steve's trip--tell us more ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Great post and photos Steve.....sounds like Howard was a super guy and
Kerry too.
Thanks for taking time to link us up !
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
DJ, if you are ever in the DFW area, give me a call and we'll go up for a full
size shot of motivation.
Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
N6383J - KGYI
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Quoting DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> OUTSTANDING!!!!! I LOVE IT!
>
> Gave me a moderate dose of motivation! I need those whenever I can grab
> them. Thanks for sharing!!! What makes this story mean a little more to me
> than others is I have seen this bird, sat in it, closed my eyes and let my
> imagination take me on a flight around the patch.... you got to do it for
> real ;)
>
> many thanks for the story
>
> DJ Vegh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse"
>> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>>
>> Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy, so
>> it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I basically
>> just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it.
>>
>> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/
>>
>> TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two weddings,
>> and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In June for
>> sure!
>>
>> Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
>> N6383J - KGYI
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:21 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
>>
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
>> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>>
>> Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your x-country
>> was and how she flies !!!!!!
>>
>> Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
While I don't know precisely how many ribs your plane will require, I am
told that once it is complete you can actually remove one rib and create
an entire new airplane. It will be a female though, need more covering
than the plans suggest and be considerable trouble.
John
Please don't tell my wife I've posted this.
do not archive
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> tmbrant1@netzero.net Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:25 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com"
<tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Hey guys,
I'm planning on building the 3'-0" center section that Bill Rewey has
suggested for a larger center section tank. I'm working on my wing ribs
now and am wondering how many to make for this design. It looks to me
like the two end ribs are "doubled up". In other words, where the
center section and the wing connect there are 2 ribs on each side. Is
that right? If that's the case do I need 31 ribs??
Tom B.
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Subject: | what a crock this is |
The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to
flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and
experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who take people
for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says current pilots have
until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the necessary category and class
ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who always fly solo will not need
to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was
issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure
their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers
requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category,
class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make
a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and
then the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA
Operations Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued
restricting the pilot to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or
any others for which he or she has done the paperwork).
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:27:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
Somewhere, sometime if my memory isn't completely gone that there was some
reference to these beltway beaurocrats coming out of their closets with dreams
of more controls in order to employ more beauros. This will never end.
Do not archive
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Subject: | what a crock this is |
Why have I never - ever heard of this? Sounds like they got the pilot
vs repairman certificate regs mixed up....
Stevee
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:27:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
Somewhere, sometime if my memory isn't completely gone that there was
some reference to these beltway beaurocrats coming out of their closets
with dreams of more controls in order to employ more beauros. This will
never end.
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
so I'll need a CFI endorsement and signed paperwork from the feds to take passengers
up in my Aircamper?!???
nonsense!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly passengers
in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying passengers
only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced. Currency and proficiency
rules apply to those who take people for rides in their experimental aircraft
and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have
the necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who
always fly solo will not need to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the
new notice, which was issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a
form and make sure their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying
passengers requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category,
class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make
a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then
the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot
to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he or
she has done the paperwork).
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
This thread about FAA regs changes had passed thru the canardian user group I'm
a member of a few days ago. General thrust----It affects very few homebuilders.
This new reg was and is designed to close a loophole that allowed experimental
airplanes that are unique, ie. twin engine or seaplanes (like my Osprey)
to be flown with passengers without the PIC having any instructor endorsement
in they're logbooks or the required rating, ie. taking up passengers in your
Piete without a taildragger rating. As the prior reg was written, it was ok
for an experimental PIC to take up a passenger in his or her niffty new homebuilt
twin without any instruction or testing. The new understanding of the
closed loophole is an experimental PIC can still take their twin engine or seaplane
aircraft for a little cruise without the rating in their logbooks but they
just cannot take passengers. There is some website of the EAA's in Oshcash
WI, that helps clarifies this proposed FAA change, but since I'm protesting the
the crass commericalization of the EAA and refused to renew my membership a
couple years ago, I cannot access the website. What I'm reporting here is what
was posted and discusssed ad nauseum on another user group.
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B
" But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion", John
Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly passengers
in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying passengers
only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced. Currency and proficiency
rules apply to those who take people for rides in their experimental aircraft
and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have
the necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who
always fly solo will not need to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the
new notice, which was issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a
form and make sure their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying
passengers requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category,
class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make
a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then
the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot
to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he or
she has done the paperwork).
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
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Subject: | Re: 3 foot center section - # of ribs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.com>
Very nice Jon...
I won't tell your wife but mine will get a kick out of this. We all address our
planes as female anyway right... She won't start.. She just didn't want to
lift off in that tailwind... She flies like a homesick angel..
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
DJ, don't worry. My soon to be 86 year old dad has an A&P license, commercial
ticket, multi-engine, instrument rating, CFI, CFII, 6 type ratings and 26,000+
hours in flights all over the world in more than 53 types of airplanes. He'll
fix your logbook next time we are in Arizona, unless the feds outlaw experienced
gray haired old timers.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
so I'll need a CFI endorsement and signed paperwork from the feds to take passengers
up in my Aircamper?!???
nonsense!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly passengers
in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying passengers
only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced. Currency and proficiency
rules apply to those who take people for rides in their experimental
aircraft and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have
the necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those
who always fly solo will not need to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under
the new notice, which was issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out
a form and make sure their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying
passengers requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the
category, class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make
a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then
the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot
to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he
or she has done the paperwork).
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Subject: | Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and it
made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can still
get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford the
instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that Cessna
or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm room
in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse and
try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I could
sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the afternoon
airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could walk
around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian Rotec
radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it, but
quite a bit.
Mike C.
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Subject: | X-Country, Brodhead |
Many thanks for the article and pics, Steve R.! Fantastic!
Also, for our English friends flying into O'Hare, there are plenty of
hotel/motel rooms at Beloit and Janesville which are on your route between O'Hare
and
Oshkosh. Those two cities are about 20 miles or so to the east of Brodhead --
you'll seem 'em on the map.
Fred B.
(Piet fuselage all framed up and now working on metal parts. Ribs are done --
okay, I cheated -- thanks to Charlie Rubecks. Will post some pics one of
these days.)
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
I called the EAA this morning about this very topic and the press
releases are very miss leading. Category and class ratings in the us
were not required for experimental airplanes. The way the EAA advisor
explained this to me on the phone is that it only applies if you do not
have the proper category and class on your pilot certificate. In my
case I have no seaplane ratings. Under the old rules there was nothing
wrong with flying passengers and landing on the water in an
experimental. That is no longer the case. I can still do it myself but
if I want to carry passengers in that experimental I have to either get
the proper category and class ratings, or jump through the hoops
described. The way I read the annoucements was that it made it sound
like every homebuilt was essentially a type rating.
Gordon Bowen wrote:
> This thread about FAA regs changes had passed thru the canardian user
> group I'm a member of a few days ago. General thrust----It affects
> very few homebuilders. This new reg was and is designed to close a
> loophole that allowed experimental airplanes that are unique, ie. twin
> engine or seaplanes (like my Osprey) to be flown with passengers
> without the PIC having any instructor endorsement in they're logbooks
> or the required rating, ie. taking up passengers in your Piete without
> a taildragger rating. As the prior reg was written, it was ok for an
> experimental PIC to take up a passenger in his or her niffty new
> homebuilt twin without any instruction or testing. The new
> understanding of the closed loophole is an experimental PIC can still
> take their twin engine or seaplane aircraft for a little cruise
> without the rating in their logbooks but they just cannot take
> passengers. There is some website of the EAA's in Oshcash WI, that
> helps clarifies this proposed FAA change, but since I'm protesting the
> the crass commericalization of the EAA and refused to renew my
> membership a couple years ago, I cannot access the website. What I'm
> reporting here is what was posted and discusssed ad nauseum on another
> user group.
> Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
> Cozy IV N64CY
> Osprey II N64SY
> Pietenpol N-1033B
> " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an
> opinion", John Adams
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael D Cuy <mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:23 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
>
>
> The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
> passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them
> to flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified
> and experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who
> take people for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says
> current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the
> necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly.
> Those who always fly solo will not need to fly through the
> bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was issued April
> 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure their
> recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers
> requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the
> category, class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in
> question between Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized
> flight instructor must make a logbook entry attesting to the
> pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then the pilot must show
> the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
> Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting
> the pilot to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any
> others for which he or she has done the paperwork).
>
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Subject: | I think this is a NPR |
I think this new FAA thing about passengers in homebuilts is a notice of
proposed rulemaking......not super clear on that though.
It was on AvWeb.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
Good post, Mike.
I was dissappointed the last time I went to Brodhead at all the growsing
and bad mouthing of the EAA that a lot of the Piet community at Brodhead
was doing. Has the EAA gotten too commercial? Absolutely. Do they
still give the ONLY support to homebuilders worldwide? Yes. I'll bet
half the people growsing at Brodhead had a whole shelf full of EAA
publications, ranging from Tony Bingelis books to EAA's Wood Aircraft
Book".
There's a lot that has changed about the EAA, but let's face it - the
whole world changes and you must either change with it or become
irrelevant. At least EAA is trying to keep young people coming in. I
don't like all the corprate sponsorship at OSH, but if it keeps prices
down, bring 'em on. As you pointed out, it's still quite a bargain.
Jack PhillipsSubject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've
had
my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and
it
made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can
still
get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford
the
instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that
Cessna
or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm
room
in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse
and
try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I
could
sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the
afternoon
airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could
walk
around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian
Rotec
radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it,
but
quite a bit.
Mike C.
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Went flying in the plane yesterday and WOW what a difference, with the
new exhaust it is a lot quieter and I now get 2400 Rpm in the climb.
Norman
ZS-VJA
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Subject: | Re: Steve's trip--tell us more ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I will for sure take you up on that! I may be coming to the Dallas area
sometime before year's end.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> DJ, if you are ever in the DFW area, give me a call and we'll go up for a
full
> size shot of motivation.
>
> Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
> N6383J - KGYI
>
> Do not archive
>
> Quoting DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
> >
> > OUTSTANDING!!!!! I LOVE IT!
> >
> > Gave me a moderate dose of motivation! I need those whenever I can
grab
> > them. Thanks for sharing!!! What makes this story mean a little more
to me
> > than others is I have seen this bird, sat in it, closed my eyes and let
my
> > imagination take me on a flight around the patch.... you got to do it
for
> > real ;)
> >
> > many thanks for the story
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
> >
> >
> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse"
> >> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
> >>
> >> Here it is finally. The last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy,
so
> >> it took me a while to finish this. Sorry if it is too wordy, I
basically
> >> just puked it onto a page when I had time. Hope some of you enjoy it.
> >>
> >> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/
> >>
> >> TACO guys, the next four weekends are packed for me (I'm in two
weddings,
> >> and I'm moving). Very soon though, we should all get together. In
June for
> >> sure!
> >>
> >> Steve Ruse - Coppell, TX
> >> N6383J - KGYI
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
> >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:21 PM
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's trip--tell us more !
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> >> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >>
> >> Steve-- that is great that you got the plane. Tell us how your
> >> was and how she flies !!!!!!
> >>
> >> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
<003801c55710$397613a0$39a470d1@defaultcomp> <42839CE7.7030700@dp.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mark,
This sound more reasonable to me. Hope this is the case.
Guess before if a new pilot , earning his private in a Cessna 150, builds
a high perfomance taildragger, and wants to give rides, it IS a receipe for
disaster.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <aerialphotos@dp.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
>
> I called the EAA this morning about this very topic and the press
> releases are very miss leading. Category and class ratings in the us
> were not required for experimental airplanes. The way the EAA advisor
> explained this to me on the phone is that it only applies if you do not
> have the proper category and class on your pilot certificate. In my
> case I have no seaplane ratings. Under the old rules there was nothing
> wrong with flying passengers and landing on the water in an
> experimental. That is no longer the case. I can still do it myself but
> if I want to carry passengers in that experimental I have to either get
> the proper category and class ratings, or jump through the hoops
> described. The way I read the annoucements was that it made it sound
> like every homebuilt was essentially a type rating.
>
> Gordon Bowen wrote:
>
> > This thread about FAA regs changes had passed thru the canardian user
> > group I'm a member of a few days ago. General thrust----It affects
> > very few homebuilders. This new reg was and is designed to close a
> > loophole that allowed experimental airplanes that are unique, ie. twin
> > engine or seaplanes (like my Osprey) to be flown with passengers
> > without the PIC having any instructor endorsement in they're logbooks
> > or the required rating, ie. taking up passengers in your Piete without
> > a taildragger rating. As the prior reg was written, it was ok for an
> > experimental PIC to take up a passenger in his or her niffty new
> > homebuilt twin without any instruction or testing. The new
> > understanding of the closed loophole is an experimental PIC can still
> > take their twin engine or seaplane aircraft for a little cruise
> > without the rating in their logbooks but they just cannot take
> > passengers. There is some website of the EAA's in Oshcash WI, that
> > helps clarifies this proposed FAA change, but since I'm protesting the
> > the crass commericalization of the EAA and refused to renew my
> > membership a couple years ago, I cannot access the website. What I'm
> > reporting here is what was posted and discusssed ad nauseum on another
> > user group.
> > Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
> > Cozy IV N64CY
> > Osprey II N64SY
> > Pietenpol N-1033B
> > " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an
> > opinion", John Adams
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Michael D Cuy <mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:23 AM
> > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
> >
> >
> > The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
> > passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them
> > to flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified
> > and experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who
> > take people for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says
> > current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the
> > necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly.
> > Those who always fly solo will not need to fly through the
> > bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was issued April
> > 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure their
> > recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers
> > requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the
> > category, class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in
> > question between Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized
> > flight instructor must make a logbook entry attesting to the
> > pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then the pilot must show
> > the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
> > Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting
> > the pilot to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any
> > others for which he or she has done the paperwork).
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
<5.1.1.5.2.20050512134324.021d7de0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mike,
I've never met you, but I know I'd like you.
I like how think.
Ain't life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
<<<<<<<snip>>>>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
5.2.20050512134324.021d7de0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
THANKS, Walt ! Life is grand too---it's just a matter of attitude !
Mike
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Subject: | Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Wow, what a great post. I think I'm gonna go home and watch my NX48MC video
tonight as a tribute! Mike, with a little work you could easily turn that
into an "Ode to Oshkosh" poem or something that would have a bunch of guys
crying like chicks at a Steel Magnolias movie.
Seriously though you made some really great points and I feel the EAA really
does, for the most part, fight for protecting our rights to do this pilot
stuff.
Eric
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:56:51 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
>my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
>gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and it
>made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
>
>I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
>you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
>defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
>membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
>or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
>thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can still
>get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
>work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
>homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford the
>instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
>reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that Cessna
>or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
>a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm room
>in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
>on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse and
>try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
>suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
>antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
>at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I could
>sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
>about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the afternoon
>airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
>I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could walk
>around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
>of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian Rotec
>radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
>seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
>great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
>I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
>baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
>America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
>the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
>still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
>the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it, but
>quite a bit.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
walt evans wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
>Mark,
>This sound more reasonable to me. Hope this is the case.
> Guess before if a new pilot , earning his private in a Cessna 150, builds
>a high perfomance taildragger, and wants to give rides, it IS a receipe for
>disaster.
>walt evans
>NX140DL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark" <aerialphotos@dp.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
>
>
>
>
Actually it could be even worse than that. I know of people flying
things like gyroplanes around that had no rotorcraft training. It gives
them a way to get legal without the huge expense of a rotorcraft
ticket. Single engine pilots could fly twin engine experimentals with
no multi engine training. Same with seaplanes though for all practical
purposes a ratings would be a better choice in both cases..
Interestingly enough your 150 in the hot homebuilt really isn't the
target here. Both are single engine land airplanes. A checkout in a
Cub and a checkout in a 172 RG and they would easily be legal, but maybe
not ready. I am just repeating what I was told and really haven't seen
the fine print myself yet, but this at least makes some sense.
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Subject: | Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Eric--thank you for the good words. If I can add that this summer I think
the only place you'll be able to see
Steve Fossett's Global Flyer, The White Knight mother plane, and Space Ship
One will be at....Oshkosh.
There is some history there.
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: jansam@comcast.net
Well said Mike. I agree about Oshkosh becoming too comercialized, but what other
organization has the clout in Washington to look out for the little guy in
aviation? Unless something better comes along, I'm sticking with the EAA.
Sam
NX115SM (reserved number)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
> my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
> gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and it
> made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
>
> I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
> you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
> defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
> membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
> or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
> thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can still
> get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
> work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
> homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford the
> instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
> reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that Cessna
> or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
> a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm room
> in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
> on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse and
> try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
> suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
> antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
> at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I could
> sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
> about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the afternoon
> airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
> I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could walk
> around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
> of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian Rotec
> radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
> seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
> great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
> I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
> baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
> America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
> the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
> still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
> the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it, but
> quite a bit.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | WOW! - new GN-1 plans available |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I've been talking with RJ Grega over the past several months consulting him
on areas on the GN-1 plans that need changing or improvement. He's been
working with a CAD drafter and has released the revised plans.
He just sent me a complimentary set today and I must say... WOW! these are
nice! all CAD drawn and printed on 24x36 paper. SO much easier to read
than the old hand drawn 11x17 plans. Many discrepancies have been corrected
and certain areas have been improved.
Even though most of you are building Piets I would still suggest buying
these new GN-1 plans if you can spare the $75. They are great to have
around just to look at or get ideas from. no... Mr. Grega is not paying
me to advertise for him... I just wanted to let you all know that a great
set of easy to read and clearly drawn plans is just an email away.
here's his site
http://www.gregagn-1.com
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
My gripe a few days ago about Oshkosh was directed not at the EAA in
general, but the attitude the Oshkosh experience has been for me in recent
years. I still enjoy Sun-N-Fun and the Southest Regional Fly In, but when my
dad and I drove thousands of miles in a gas guzzling motorhome (hauling his
personal mobility vehicle with a Texas Handicap Tag) EAA at Oshcash would
not allow him to use it BUT THEY WERE HAPPY TO RENT HIM ON OF THEIR MACHINES
AT $50 PER DAY. We planned on spending 5 days there, but hauled it back to
Texas after one day, his newly purchased handicap machine on the bumper...
I have three other reasons I think the Management at EAA in Oshcash is not
customer focused, but I'll not eat up bandwidth. They have changed a lot in
the last 10 years (as they should) but not all of it is for the better.
Sterling Brooks
(Turned in my EAA card 2 months ago... Keeping the AOPA card, never leave
home without it...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
> my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
> gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and it
> made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
>
> I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
> you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
> defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
> membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
> or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
> thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can still
> get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
> work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
> homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford
the
> instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
> reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that Cessna
> or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
> a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm room
> in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
> on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse and
> try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
> suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
> antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
> at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I
could
> sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
> about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the
afternoon
> airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
> I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could walk
> around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
> of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian Rotec
> radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
> seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
> great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
> I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
> baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
> America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
> the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
> still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
> the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it,
but
> quite a bit.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
> My gripe a few days ago about Oshkosh was directed not at the EAA in
> general, but the attitude the Oshkosh experience has been for me in recent
> years. I still enjoy Sun-N-Fun and the Southest Regional Fly In, but when
my
> dad and I drove thousands of miles in a gas guzzling motorhome (hauling
his
> personal mobility vehicle with a Texas Handicap Tag) EAA at Oshcash would
> not allow him to use it BUT THEY WERE HAPPY TO RENT HIM ON OF THEIR
MACHINES
> AT $50 PER DAY. We planned on spending 5 days there, but hauled it back to
> Texas after one day, his newly purchased handicap machine on the bumper...
>
> I have three other reasons I think the Management at EAA in Oshcash is not
> customer focused, but I'll not eat up bandwidth. They have changed a lot
in
> the last 10 years (as they should) but not all of it is for the better.
>
> Sterling Brooks
> (Turned in my EAA card 2 months ago... Keeping the AOPA card, never leave
> home without it...)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've
had
> > my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
> > gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and
it
> > made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
> >
> > I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
> > you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
> > defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
> > membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
> > or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
> > thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can
still
> > get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
> > work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
> > homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford
> the
> > instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
> > reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that
Cessna
> > or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
> > a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm
room
> > in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
> > on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse
and
> > try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
> > suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
> > antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
> > at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I
> could
> > sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
> > about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the
> afternoon
> > airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
> > I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could
walk
> > around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
> > of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian
Rotec
> > radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
> > seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
> > great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
> > I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
> > baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
> > America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
> > the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
> > still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
> > the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it,
> but
> > quite a bit.
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks Mike and Jack for two great posts,
]Last year the jet powered semi trucks screaming down the runway at OSH kind
of put it over the top for me. I've started to feel that the future of EAA
for me is more in the local chapters and smaller fly-ins. I may still go to
OSH and SNF but I find less to be interested in, with the exception of
getting together with all the Piet guys and shopping the parts tents.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've had
> my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
> gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and it
> made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
>
> I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
> you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
> defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
> membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
> or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
> thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can still
> get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
> work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
> homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford
> the instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
> reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that Cessna
> or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
> a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm room
> in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
> on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse and
> try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
> suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
> antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
> at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I
> could sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
> about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the
> afternoon airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
> I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could walk
> around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
> of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian Rotec
> radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
> seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
> great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
> I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
> baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
> America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
> the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
> still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
> the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it,
> but
> quite a bit.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Follow up...
When my dad took this same machine to a B-1 Bomber Base (Dyess Air Force
Base, near Abilene. last summer) the commanding officer allowed him on the
field, and anyone else who owned a PMV (AROUND B1 BOMERS, C-17s, C5A
Galaxy... the list goes on) and the CO wasn't worried about my father. In
fact, he recruited 4 full bird colonels to lift him up the stairs into the
cockpit. Talk about customer service.
So I guess if the folks that run Oshkosh are worried that a 26,000 hour
retired pilot is going to bump into an airplane with a 5 mile per hour
scooter, maybe they should'nt rent handicap rigs!
Why then does the Southwest Regional Fly in allow people who have a hard
time walking to use their personal rigs?
In the world of public relations there is a rule that most PR people keep in
mind. It is called the PIE theory. Perception Is Everything. Management in
Oshkosh needs to look into this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
> My gripe a few days ago about Oshkosh was directed not at the EAA in
> general, but the attitude the Oshkosh experience has been for me in recent
> years. I still enjoy Sun-N-Fun and the Southest Regional Fly In, but when
my
> dad and I drove thousands of miles in a gas guzzling motorhome (hauling
his
> personal mobility vehicle with a Texas Handicap Tag) EAA at Oshcash would
> not allow him to use it BUT THEY WERE HAPPY TO RENT HIM ON OF THEIR
MACHINES
> AT $50 PER DAY. We planned on spending 5 days there, but hauled it back to
> Texas after one day, his newly purchased handicap machine on the bumper...
>
> I have three other reasons I think the Management at EAA in Oshcash is not
> customer focused, but I'll not eat up bandwidth. They have changed a lot
in
> the last 10 years (as they should) but not all of it is for the better.
>
> Sterling Brooks
> (Turned in my EAA card 2 months ago... Keeping the AOPA card, never leave
> home without it...)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Guys-- I know this subject brings up many different opinions and I've
had
> > my "moments" with my disappointment in the way EAA has
> > gone, but I took a fresh approach last year to the whole convention and
it
> > made me step back and think about my frustrations a bit more.
> >
> > I don't like the commercialization any more than the rest of you, but if
> > you approach it with a good attitude, you can absorb all the good and
> > defect the bad. I realized that not going to Oshkosh or pulling my
> > membership wasn't going to hurt anyone but me.....EAA won't miss me
> > or send me a birthday card if I never go again so why be a martyr I
> > thought. I went last year and enjoyed the workshops where you can
still
> > get free hands-on training in metal work, gas welding, fabric work, wood
> > work, rib stitching, and more. I enjoyed smelling the fresh leather in
> > homebuilts that were so far above my price range that I couldn't afford
> the
> > instrument panel, let alone the engine and airframe.....but I still
> > reveled in the thought that this 'kit' could out-run anything that
Cessna
> > or Piper would ever put out, and cost less. I enjoyed sitting under
> > a tree having an ice cream cone, I enjoyed the $35 a night quiet dorm
room
> > in Ripon, WI where I could watch the planes flying overhead
> > on the approach in the morning or after the airshow, I could browse
and
> > try on 20 different headsets or gps's or hand-helds....I could get
> > suppliers catalogs from Wicks and ACS, I could check out biplanes and
> > antiques and talk with owners if I wanted, I could go to eve. programs
> > at Theater in the Woods, I could get cool in the a/c of the museum, I
> could
> > sit wayyyy over in the warbird area and get to see and hear
> > about 20 P-51 Mustangs crank up, start, and then taxi out for the
> afternoon
> > airwshow, I could enjoy listening to the chatter on my handheld,
> > I could go join with friends at a campfire in Camp Schoeller, I could
walk
> > around fighter jets, cargo planes, and more. There were vendors
> > of little turbine engines, hear a Kitfox fly with a new Australian
Rotec
> > radial engine (the kind that our Dick N. has in his new Piet) check out
> > seat cushions, new kits, ways to weld pop cans to pop cans (along with a
> > great ginsu knife guy that was hilarious) and more.
> > I think it cost me $26 to get in every day. Go to a football game or
> > baseball game.....go to the nearest Cedar Point, Kings Island, or Great
> > America park and it will cost you about the same or more. I don't like
> > the commercialization anymore than the rest of you, but Oshkosh is
> > still the greatest game around...and I won't stop going because a ton of
> > the things that we liked before are STILL there today. Not all of it,
> but
> > quite a bit.
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Norman,
I've got straight pipes on my O-235 powered Piete, what did you put on yours as
a muff?
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Stapelberg
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: 0-235
Went flying in the plane yesterday and WOW what a difference, with the new exhaust
it is a lot quieter and I now get 2400 Rpm in the climb.
Norman
ZS-VJA
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Subject: | Re: what a crock this is |
Jim,
It's posted in an EAA communications note.
http://eaa.org/communications/eaanews/050509_ratings.html (think I've got this right so you can web in to it if you're an EAA member). I guess it was somewhat confusing. But thrust is: if you've got a new Defiant twin engine experimental, you gotta have the multi-engine rating in order to take up passengers, or seaplane rating for a homebuilt like the Osprey. YOU as PIC can still give it a go solo, even without the rating (your insurance company will be a tad weaselly if you don't have the rating and have an accident solo), but you must have the rating if you're taking passengers in an experimental aircraft.
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ash
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash
I'm a little out of touch with the new regs, but can anybody quote specifically
which reg(s) require this?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Bowen
Sent: May 12, 2005 12:32 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
This thread about FAA regs changes had passed thru the canardian user group I'm
a member of a few days ago. General thrust----It affects very few homebuilders.
This new reg was and is designed to close a loophole that allowed experimental
airplanes that are unique, ie. twin engine or seaplanes (like my Osprey)
to be flown with passengers without the PIC having any instructor endorsement
in they're logbooks or the required rating, ie. taking up passengers in your
Piete without a taildragger rating. As the prior reg was written, it was
ok for an experimental PIC to take up a passenger in his or her niffty new homebuilt
twin without any instruction or testing. The new understanding of the
closed loophole is an experimental PIC can still take their twin engine or seaplane
aircraft for a little cruise without the rating in their logbooks but
they just cannot take passengers. There is some website of the EAA's in Oshcash
WI, that helps clarifies this proposed FAA change, but since I'm protesting
the the crass commericalization of the EAA and refused to renew my membership
a couple years ago, I cannot access the website. What I'm reporting here is
what was posted and discusssed ad nauseum on another user group.
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B
" But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion",
John Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what a crock this is
The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly passengers
in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying passengers
only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced. Currency and proficiency
rules apply to those who take people for rides in their experimental
aircraft and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have
the necessary category and class ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those
who always fly solo will not need to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under
the new notice, which was issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out
a form and make sure their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying
passengers requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the
category, class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must make
a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then
the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations
Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot
to flying that particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he
or she has done the paperwork).
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sterling,
Across the board, every web based homebuilder group I participate in is very
disappointed with the direction of The EAA, INC. EAA has many good
qualities and advantages for many GA pilots, but less and less so for
homebuilders. These regional fly-ins and web based user groups have been
more useful to me and apparently many others, who simply love the
homebuilder part of aviation and will take a pass on looking at a $30K
avionics package or two million EAA hats and T-shirts. I started going to
Oshcash in'73, did the composites workshop for the EAA in '92-93, but lost
interest in the entire program when they became too commerical. One of the
members of the canard user group is with EAA Oskosh HQ, he admits it's now
mainly big business, they have about 750 employees, over 500 acres of land
and a multi-million buck budget to support. They have to focus on the big
business or they fold. It isn't for the volunteer homebuilders trying to
build their planes from NAPA parts anymore. So like you, I'm no longer a
member. Anyway wouldn't trade one glorious Alaskan July/Aug day for a free
10 day trip to Wisconsin for the "Air Venture" in hot muggy July/Aug, so I
gotta quit bitchin'.
On another subject-----------how'd your "lost foam" gas tank turn out?
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B
" But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an
opinion", John Adams, Such is the weakness of my character that I must
give voice to that opinion. GB
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Subject: | Re: WOW! - new GN-1 plans available |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
Just thought i would mention this......from my career
in fire protection I know that getting up to print
plans is very expensive.....surprised he can sell em
that cheap.
--- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> I've been talking with RJ Grega over the past
> several months consulting him
> on areas on the GN-1 plans that need changing or
> improvement. He's been
> working with a CAD drafter and has released the
> revised plans.
>
> He just sent me a complimentary set today and I must
> say... WOW! these are
> nice! all CAD drawn and printed on 24x36 paper. SO
> much easier to read
> than the old hand drawn 11x17 plans. Many
> discrepancies have been corrected
> and certain areas have been improved.
>
> Even though most of you are building Piets I would
> still suggest buying
> these new GN-1 plans if you can spare the $75. They
> are great to have
> around just to look at or get ideas from. no...
> Mr. Grega is not paying
> me to advertise for him... I just wanted to let you
> all know that a great
> set of easy to read and clearly drawn plans is just
> an email away.
>
> here's his site
>
> http://www.gregagn-1.com
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
It's guys like you and Chuck Gantzer, Mike Cuy and Jim Markle and dozens of
more on this list that embody the spirt of what EAA used to be. I've
benefited very much from a lot of info several dozen people on this list who
have shared with me off-list. Jim Markle was nice enough to loan me his $60
scissors (two months ago... and offered my dad a place to recline for a
while when he was ill on a recent trip to Plano...) Steve Ruse only touched
the tip of the iceberg in how great the grass field folks are... They are
out there everywhere, I just don't recall meeting any at Oshcash. But the
good guys are out there in the sticks (and at Brodhead...)
I hesitated when I posted my gripe about the folks in Oshcash, because the
organization still plays an important role, but still for liitle people like
me that have been beat up by them... I just have a sour taste about 4 very
bad experiences I've had, all of which have happened on the grounds at
Oshcash. IF ANYONE AT EAA HQ IS LISTENING, I'M MORE THAN DELIGHTED TO
EXPOUND ON THE OTHER 3 COMPLAINTS. (Do they even have a PR department?)
The tank is looking so cool, I can hardly wait to get all the pieces
together so show my TACO pals down here and when I make the big trip to
Brodhead (where I plan to invest some hard earned cash in the local motel,
eating establishments and at the local EAA chapter in the form of a
contribution. Those guys at Brodhead deserve some kind of a trophy or
plaque.
More work to do on two additional tanks (for a total of three) so I can
out-range my pal Chuck Gantzer. God blessed me with a a monster of a bladder
and I can outlast almost anyone in the cockpit, so Chuck, be prepared. My 80
HP Aircamper might not work out to be faster than yours, but I can go 8
hours in the saddle... without getting off the horse (and no cheating in a
pee cup or drain tube like Chuck...)
And thanks Gordon for the tips you e-mailed me on building fiberglass tanks.
I'm still out here in the barn "larnin'.." from you guys. (Hey Gordon,
Brooks Range, wouldn't that be a great trip in an Aircamper?)
Please eveyone excuse my venting... It's warm and humid down south and being
a guy who can only afford to own and fly an Aircamper and not a $100,000
homebuilt, I'm not a happy camper when it comes to the guys upstairs in
Oshcash.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen"
<gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Sterling,
> Across the board, every web based homebuilder group I participate in is
very
> disappointed with the direction of The EAA, INC. EAA has many good
> qualities and advantages for many GA pilots, but less and less so for
> homebuilders. These regional fly-ins and web based user groups have been
> more useful to me and apparently many others, who simply love the
> homebuilder part of aviation and will take a pass on looking at a $30K
> avionics package or two million EAA hats and T-shirts. I started going
to
> Oshcash in'73, did the composites workshop for the EAA in '92-93, but lost
> interest in the entire program when they became too commerical. One of
the
> members of the canard user group is with EAA Oskosh HQ, he admits it's now
> mainly big business, they have about 750 employees, over 500 acres of land
> and a multi-million buck budget to support. They have to focus on the big
> business or they fold. It isn't for the volunteer homebuilders trying to
> build their planes from NAPA parts anymore. So like you, I'm no longer a
> member. Anyway wouldn't trade one glorious Alaskan July/Aug day for a
free
> 10 day trip to Wisconsin for the "Air Venture" in hot muggy July/Aug, so I
> gotta quit bitchin'.
>
> On another subject-----------how'd your "lost foam" gas tank turn out?
>
> Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
> Cozy IV N64CY
> Osprey II N64SY
> Pietenpol N-1033B
> " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an
> opinion", John Adams, Such is the weakness of my character that I must
> give voice to that opinion. GB
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
Sterling wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
>My gripe a few days ago about Oshkosh was directed not at the EAA in
>general, but the attitude the Oshkosh experience has been for me in recent
>years. I still enjoy Sun-N-Fun and the Southest Regional Fly In, but when my
>dad and I drove thousands of miles in a gas guzzling motorhome (hauling his
>personal mobility vehicle with a Texas Handicap Tag) EAA at Oshcash would
>not allow him to use it BUT THEY WERE HAPPY TO RENT HIM ON OF THEIR MACHINES
>AT $50 PER DAY. We planned on spending 5 days there, but hauled it back to
>Texas after one day, his newly purchased handicap machine on the bumper...
>
>I have three other reasons I think the Management at EAA in Oshcash is not
>customer focused, but I'll not eat up bandwidth. They have changed a lot in
>the last 10 years (as they should) but not all of it is for the better.
>
>Sterling Brooks
>(Turned in my EAA card 2 months ago... Keeping the AOPA card, never leave
>home without it...)
>
>
>
Just remember that if you are talking about EAA and the airshows at
Oshkosh and Sun and Fun you now are really talking about two different
organzations. The airshows are now for profit businesses as Air
Venture. Nothing wrong with making money, yet it did not feel the same
as my first visit many years ago and I may not go back myself for a very
long time.
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Go ahead. Beat up on EAA all you want. But where will you be down the road when
it is difficult at best (and very expensive) to hold a third class medical.
Sport pilot may be down your alley, as well as light sport aircraft & experimental
light sport aircraft.
And who did Young Eagles? Not any grass roots group that I have heard of!!!
These things do take oshCASH. Ya know.
Would Space Ship One and White Knight have been possible without the presence of
the homebuilt advocacy group? I doubt it.
My $0.02 worth.
Paul Schermerhorn
Even a fish stays out of trouble if he keeps his mouth shut.
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:46:31 PM Central Standard Time,
sterling@pgrb.com writes:
More work to do on two additional tanks (for a total of three) so I can
out-range my pal Chuck Gantzer. God blessed me with a a monster of a bladder
and I can outlast almost anyone in the cockpit, so Chuck, be prepared. My 80
HP Aircamper might not work out to be faster than yours, but I can go 8
hours in the saddle... without getting off the horse (and no cheating in a
pee cup or drain tube like Chuck...)
Well Sterling, we'll find out next summer, when we do the flight up north
through South Dakoda, Mount Rushmore and Devel's Tower. I've been wanting to do
that flight for a long time. Do some exploring up there.
Chuck G.
can be quite creative hiding a pee cup...
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Subject: | Re: Poor Eye Sight |
...Hello everyone. I'm just lurking in the shawdows of this list (working on building
ribs at present) and I really do enjoy reading eveyone's comments but could
some of you please use your Fonts and make your letters a little larger so
my less than perfect eyes can read all this neat information. Thanks.. Steve
Singleton MO.
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Subject: | Re: Poor Eye Sight |
Steve,
if you're using outlook or outlook express you can click up at "view" then drag
down to "text size" select "largest"
now your email text will show up very large and readable.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Singleton
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poor Eye Sight
...Hello everyone. I'm just lurking in the shawdows of this list (working on
building ribs at present) and I really do enjoy reading eveyone's comments but
could some of you please use your Fonts and make your letters a little larger
so my less than perfect eyes can read all this neat information. Thanks.. Steve
Singleton MO.
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Subject: | O-200 need muffler? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Ted,
I've been waiting to respond to this until I had a chance to test my new
setup. I'm using a David Clark H13.4 headset and an H10-40. I also have a
Lightspeed 15K headset that I've used, but it is larger than the DC's so it
catches more air. Two weeks ago the Lightspeeds departed a taller friend's
head when he was up front in my GN-1, luckily the cord was velcro-tied to
the cabane and I grabbed the headset when it was flopping around beside me.
That at least says something for the quality of the Lightspeed cable, it
didn't break and the headset still works fine. The noise canceling feature
is almost useless in open cockpit planes. That fact along with the smaller
profile means I'll be using the DC's exclusively in the GN-1 in the future.
I'm also using a Troll Avionics Inc. HV-1 Hypervox intercom. This is a four
place panel mount intercom, not what you would expect in an Aircamper (it
cost me $30 on Ebay). Right now it isn't installed, I just made a
"portable" wire harness for it, but I plan to install it out of sight under
the panel. It works great, and has more than enough volume even for a noisy
Pietenpol cockpit (I have no mufflers on my A-75). Earlier this week I
installed mic covers from Oregon Aero on the microphones of both headsets
($12 each). Without the covers, the intercom was virtually worthless. We
could talk on the ground, but once we got in the air, the squelch had to be
so high to cut out engine & wind noise that we couldn't speak loud enough to
activate the intercom. With the mic covers, even my fianc can speak to me
with relative ease, and she sometimes has trouble even getting the intercom
in a Cessna 150 to pick her up. I was pretty impressed, and now I think the
mic covers are a must have if you are going to try to use an intercom in an
open cockpit plane.
Steve Ruse - Coppell TX
N6383J - KGYI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Brousseau
Subject: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200 need muffler?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Thanks for all the good comments. I guess I will go with what we have on
the present 65 Cont. I love the sound. After over 400 hours in it I didn't
realize it was noisy. <grin> Should have know when we could never get a
good conversation over the intercom.
On that subject I would like to know if anyone has come up with a good
combination of headsets and intercom that works in a Piet.
Thanks again,
Ted
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