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1. 05:04 AM - Oshkosh observations...SAA (steamlaunch@softhome.net)
2. 06:11 AM - (Michael D Cuy)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: Oshkosh observations...SAA (Galen Hutcheson)
4. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: 0-235 (Norman Stapelberg)
5. 11:08 AM - Re: Oshkosh observations...SAA (Gordon Bowen)
6. 01:41 PM - Re: Poor Eye Sight (Rick Holland)
7. 01:59 PM - Re: Air Venture (Rick Holland)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: WOW! - new GN-1 plans available (Rick Holland)
9. 06:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Dick Navratil)
10. 07:43 PM - Re: Oshkosh observations (Sterling)
11. 09:32 PM - Cross Country Flights (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Oshkosh observations...SAA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: steamlaunch@softhome.net
Jack and Mike,
Great perspective on th the Big "O" event, if Pietlovers want something a
little less comercial there is always room for a few more Piets at the SAA
flyin at FRASCA Feild which is very close in flavor to the old Rockford
days. Paul's latest contribution to the Grass roots.
Usually one or two Piets attend and the grass gets stomped down around them
to the neglect of any RV that shows up. As the Piets were getting ready to
leave last year the crowd gathered around to soak them in and Paul Pobrenzy
mentioned you never see a crowd gather for the departure of a RV.
Matt
http://www.sportaviation.org/
11:43:50 AM PST US
Subject: Oshkosh observations
From: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
<jphillip@alarismed.com>
Good post, Mike.
I was dissappointed the last time I went to Brodhead at all the
growsing
and bad mouthing of the EAA that a lot of the Piet community at
Brodhead
was doing. Has the EAA gotten too commercial? Absolutely. Do they
still give the ONLY support to homebuilders worldwide? Yes. I'll bet
half the people growsing at Brodhead had a whole shelf full of EAA
publications, ranging from Tony Bingelis books to EAA's Wood Aircraft
Book".
There's a lot that has changed about the EAA, but let's face it - the
whole world changes and you must either change with it or become
irrelevant. At least EAA is trying to keep young people coming in. I
don't like all the corprate sponsorship at OSH, but if it keeps prices
down, bring 'em on. As you pointed out, it's still quite a bargain.
Jack PhillipsSubject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Matt-- the SAA gathering is the kind of thing we can go to if we have had
it with the EAA event and that is what is great
about America....there is always something else on another channel.
I'm with all of you, Sterling, Gordon about the downsides of the way EAA
has gone, but since I know my body needs to travel
there each summer (out of habit, if anything else !) I just tried to focus
on the good things I liked. It worked. I still get aggravated
at all the officials running around in Gators when everyone else is hoofing
it....but that's life. Walk between rows of planes then
instead of on the paved walkways.
The thing that made my visit so good last year was that I told myself I was
not going to rush, rush, rush to try to see everything
because I absorb virtually nothing out of it that way and exhaust myself in
the process. I just stopped if something interested me
and if I stayed 30 seconds or 30 minutes, that was fine. I got caught up
talking with some of the 80+ year old Women Air Service
Pilots and ended up going to a talk and then another talk in the museum
with a whole panel of these super neat ladies. I was
listening to history there--like Sterling's Dad talking about giving
instruction in a Stearman in WWII......just fascinating stories.
These folks won't be around in 10 years so to have them all gathered
together to listen to....and answer questions ? A very good experience.
I can see both sides of the Oshkosh issues, absolutely....but gotta suck up
all the good stuff and have a martini regarding the bad !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations...SAA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I met Paul Pobrenzy at Sun & Fun 3-4 years ago (the
only large EAA event I had ever attended). He seemed
just as unhappy with the way Oshkosh was heading and
told me about the SAA. I think Paul's feelings speak
volumns. I think that EAA has a decisive role in
helping to keep aviation free to the everyday pilot,
and for that I support them. I still prefer to attend
the small, local events for the fun and excitement of
grass-roots aviation. I find the comradship is
greater at these smaller events than at the larger
ones. To me, the larger the crowd, the less fun the
event becomes. The real beauty of aviation in general
is it's versitility. There is something for everyone
who wishes to be involved. The old proverb, "One
man's pie is another man's poison," fits well here.
The love/hate relationship that has developed with the
National EAA is the result of extreme growth which
tends to depersonalize the individual airman. I think
we need both the National EAA for those who can
tolerate it's bad qualities, and the local EAA
chapters which are much more personal to the aviator.
I'm kind of riding the fence here, but I don't agree
with "killing the sow just because she has too many
piglets." From what I've heard of Broadhead, this is
what the EAA used to be, and from the comments I've
read here, many still like it that way.
Doc
--- steamlaunch@softhome.net wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
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> Jack and Mike,
> Great perspective on th the Big "O" event, if
> Pietlovers want something a
> little less comercial there is always room for a few
> more Piets at the SAA
> flyin at FRASCA Feild which is very close in flavor
> to the old Rockford
> days. Paul's latest contribution to the Grass
> roots.
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> Matt
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without guessing what he has said.
Norman Stapelberg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Bowen
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: 0-235
Norman,
I've got straight pipes on my O-235 powered Piete, what did you put on
yours as a muff?
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Stapelberg <mailto:norshel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: 0-235
Went flying in the plane yesterday and WOW what a difference, with the
new exhaust it is a lot quieter and I now get 2400 Rpm in the climb.
Norman
ZS-VJA
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations...SAA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
I don't think anybody is actually trashing the new EAA, in spite of making a
little fun of Oshcash.
Waxing a little nostalgic about how the EAA has changed in the last 10-15
years. 20-30 years ago, homebuilders at "their" experimental aircraft
convention had a totally different experience than homebuilders today going
to the "Big O's Air Venture". That's right--- this event used to be the
Convention and Fly-in for EAA members. Not Wisconsin's largest tourist
event and EAA Inc. annual money source. It was a convention of guys with
like interest and problems they tried to work out at their convention. Just
like the Legion Convention or Elks Convention or VFW, etc. The flight line
actually had homebuilts from scratch, like the Piete, Tailwind, Pixie or
Varieze and you saw the same guys each year. The workshops were run by
volunteer EAA homebuilders who had actually built or were building an
aircraft, not some for profit corporation. You went to the workshop tents
for several days to learn how to weld or make wood ribs or cover with fabric
or fiberglass composites work. The workshops were very important to your
trip to your convention. The Forum Tents were meaningful and almost
mandatory if you were building a particular guy's design and you had a
chance to discuss, in person, this guy's changes, other builders pros and
cons. It was a convention of experimental homebuilders, nothing more and
nothing less. The "Flea Market" was the biggest and most important
"shopping mall", my breaker panel in the Cozy comes from this mall for $10.
Guys walking the flightline were members of the EAA, that Paul Pobz knew and
everyone recognized him and Steve Wittman, or Burt Rutan, walking around
their creations.
Shows my age, I now sound like my father did, but I sure miss the good ole
days of the EAA. Long live the New EAA, may today's members have the same
great memories 20 years from now that I have of the Old EAA, of 30 years
ago.
Gordon Bowen
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Eye Sight |
Or if you are using Netscape or Firefox just hit Cntl and + a few times.
On 5/12/05, Steve Singleton <slsingleton@cvalley.net> wrote:
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> ...Hello everyone. I'm just lurking in the shawdows of this list (working
> on building ribs at present) and I really do enjoy reading eveyone's
> comments but could some of you please use your Fonts and make your letters a
> little larger so my less than perfect eyes can read all this neat
> information. Thanks.. Steve Singleton MO.
>
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Rick Holland
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I agree. And just as important is when political muscle is required at both
local and federal levels to prevent airport shutdowns, ridiculous airspace
restrictions, security checks before any GA aircraft can fly as some
congressmen have mentioned, etc. All that money the EAA collects from
non-homebuilders, spamcaners, vendors, etc. comes in handy when the legal
bills start piling up.
On 5/12/05, Paul Schermerhorn <pest1419@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Go ahead. Beat up on EAA all you want. But where will you be down the road
> when it is difficult at best (and very expensive) to hold a third class
> medical. Sport pilot may be down your alley, as well as light sport aircraft
> & experimental light sport aircraft.
> And who did Young Eagles? Not any grass roots group that I have heard
> of!!!
> These things do take oshCASH. Ya know.
> Would Space Ship One and White Knight have been possible without the
> presence of the homebuilt advocacy group? I doubt it.
> My $0.02 worth.
> Paul Schermerhorn
>
>
> Even a fish stays out of trouble if he keeps his mouth shut.
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: WOW! - new GN-1 plans available |
I agree DJ, I am building a Piet but find the new GN-1 plans helpful,
especially since I plan on building Cub style gear.
On 5/12/05, DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
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> I've been talking with RJ Grega over the past several months consulting
> him
> on areas on the GN-1 plans that need changing or improvement. He's been
> working with a CAD drafter and has released the revised plans.
>
> He just sent me a complimentary set today and I must say... WOW! these are
> nice! all CAD drawn and printed on 24x36 paper. SO much easier to read
> than the old hand drawn 11x17 plans. Many discrepancies have been
> corrected
> and certain areas have been improved.
>
> Even though most of you are building Piets I would still suggest buying
> these new GN-1 plans if you can spare the $75. They are great to have
> around just to look at or get ideas from. no... Mr. Grega is not paying
> me to advertise for him... I just wanted to let you all know that a great
> set of easy to read and clearly drawn plans is just an email away.
>
> here's his site
>
> http://www.gregagn-1.com
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper <http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper>
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
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>
>
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
Chuck
Would you want some possible company for part of that trip? That area is very
beautiful. I have flown in and out of the Black Hills area a few times. Coming
down the valley thru Sundance, Spearfish and Sturgis is wonderful, especially
the smell of the Black Hills pines. Devils Tower is also an amazing sight.
I have orbited it closer than I should have. It wouldn't take much to get
me out there again.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:46:31 PM Central Standard Time, sterling@pgrb.com
writes:
More work to do on two additional tanks (for a total of three) so I can
out-range my pal Chuck Gantzer. God blessed me with a a monster of a bladder
and I can outlast almost anyone in the cockpit, so Chuck, be prepared. My 80
HP Aircamper might not work out to be faster than yours, but I can go 8
hours in the saddle... without getting off the horse (and no cheating in a
pee cup or drain tube like Chuck...)
Well Sterling, we'll find out next summer, when we do the flight up north through
South Dakoda, Mount Rushmore and Devel's Tower. I've been wanting to do
that flight for a long time. Do some exploring up there.
Chuck G.
can be quite creative hiding a pee cup...
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh observations |
In Chuck's absence, consider yourself invited. This has been in the back burner
planning stage for a few months and I hope Chuck and I are able to make this
trip with video cameras attached to each of our airplanes. You are right. The
scenery is spectacular around Devils Tower, Custer's Last Stand and Mount Rushmore.
We also have some unique scenery here in Texas along the Rio Grande from Big Bend
up to Presidio... Flying through those canyons has been one of the big thrills
of my life in airplanes.
Sterling Brooks
5TA6
San Antonio Sectional
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
Chuck
Would you want some possible company for part of that trip? That area is very
beautiful. I have flown in and out of the Black Hills area a few times. Coming
down the valley thru Sundance, Spearfish and Sturgis is wonderful, especially
the smell of the Black Hills pines. Devils Tower is also an amazing sight.
I have orbited it closer than I should have. It wouldn't take much to get
me out there again.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh observations
In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:46:31 PM Central Standard Time, sterling@pgrb.com
writes:
More work to do on two additional tanks (for a total of three) so I can
out-range my pal Chuck Gantzer. God blessed me with a a monster of a bladder
and I can outlast almost anyone in the cockpit, so Chuck, be prepared. My
80
HP Aircamper might not work out to be faster than yours, but I can go 8
hours in the saddle... without getting off the horse (and no cheating in
a
pee cup or drain tube like Chuck...)
Well Sterling, we'll find out next summer, when we do the flight up north through
South Dakoda, Mount Rushmore and Devel's Tower. I've been wanting to do
that flight for a long time. Do some exploring up there.
Chuck G.
can be quite creative hiding a pee cup...
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| Subject: | Cross Country Flights |
In a message dated 5/13/2005 8:19:36 PM Central Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
Chuck
Would you want some possible company for part of that trip? That area is
very beautiful. I have flown in and out of the Black Hills area a few times.
Coming down the valley thru Sundance, Spearfish and Sturgis is wonderful,
especially the smell of the Black Hills pines. Devils Tower is also an amazing
sight. I have orbited it closer than I should have. It wouldn't take much to
get me out there again.
Dick N.
Dick,
Did you ever get those floats done ??
Hey, wouldn't that be something if we had a whole gaggle of Low & Slows
do this cross-country ?? That part of the country must be really beautiful.
I've never been there. The smells from an open cockpit is just simply another
one of the pleasures of this type of flying. From cookouts & fresh cut hay to
grass fires & road kills...add in the birds eye view and the rumble sounds of
an engine that doesn't skip a beat, and you get an experience that relatively
few people have ever had. To all you folks out there building - keep after
it and you will be rewarded ten fold !!
Sterling,
That flight up the Rio Grande is one I hope to make this summer. Max D.
has another portion of Texas that sounds similar. Flying down to Terry B. at
Tick Hill last summer, I discovered how BIG Texas really is !! To put it
into perspective, it would take me Three days to fly across the state, east to
west...or north to south for that matter. I think I could spend the whole
summer flying around Texas, and would need at least 100 gallons of Baby Oil to
smoke the whole state !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
Working on 'Drag Reduction Mod' on my plane. As far as a Pietenpol is
concerned, it sounds like an Oxymoron, huh ? I'm cutting foam airfoils for all
the
round tubing, then cover it with UltraCoat - model airplane heat shrink
covering. Improving my gas mileage, doing my part to reduce dependency on foreign
oil...
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