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Sat 05/14/05


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 01:32 AM - Emailing: Master-Walker-copy (Clif Dawson)
     2. 07:45 AM - EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (TBYH@AOL.COM)
     3. 10:02 AM - Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (Gordon Bowen)
     4. 03:39 PM - It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor (walt evans)
     5. 04:16 PM - Re: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor (Jim Markle)
     6. 07:53 PM - Re: Cross Country Flights (Dick Navratil)
     7. 08:03 PM - Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (Mark)
     8. 08:22 PM - Re: Cross Country Flights (Dick Navratil)
     9. 08:53 PM - WOW, New Gn-1 plans (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
    10. 09:38 PM - Re: Cross Country Flights (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    11. 09:42 PM - Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    12. 11:09 PM - Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (Gordon Bowen)
    13. 11:16 PM - Re: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor (Gordon Bowen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:32:16 AM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Emailing: Master-Walker-copy
    Ha! And you guys thought smoke was way out there! Clif


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    Time: 07:45:43 AM PST US
    From: TBYH@AOL.COM
    Subject: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead
    I agree with those who are tolerant of EAA and Oshkosh but I do believe it is a little too commercial. On the other hand, where would we be without EAA? I first attended Oshkosh in 1970 at age 15 -- I'm pretty sure that was the year. My late Mom, bless here, had heard about the event and decided that her boy needed to see that event and so before daylight one summer day we set out from Trempealeau, Wis. in our '68 VW Squareback. We fought fog all across central Wisconsin on the trip but when we "broke out" near Ripon we were greeted by what seemed like thousands of airplanes -- everywhere you looked. The memories of that day are thick...the homebuilts, warbirds and antiques. A line-up of real Stearmans that until that day I had only read about. Paul Poberezny flying the pants off the P-64; Bob Hoover thrilling us with the Rockwell Aero Commander and then his yellow P-51. Dale Crites flying a Curtiss Pusher! I was intrigued by the Dyke Delta's. I remember walking down the flight line and getting Cliff Robertson's autograph. Then I was standing admiring a real-live P-40 with shark's mouth when the pilot came walking up. He smiled at me and commented on what a great day it was for flying. He set his chute down on the ground and stepped up to the wing-walk. I noticed he had a bit of a limp. We talked just a little and then he asked if I could do him a huge favor and hand his chute up to him -- but, of course! After he started and taxied away another fellow walked over. I asked who the P-40 pilot was. "Why, that's Frank Tallman!" (You "young" whiper-snappers might have to look up Frank Tallman! Gosh, I feel old this morning!) I don't know if it was 70, 71 or 72 but I remember taking what must be some of the last photos of the then only flying Grumman F3F/G32. Little did any of us know that as Gene Chase taxied out that it would be the plane's last flight -- she caught on fire in flight. Gene and his passenger bailed out and survived, but the news spread like wildfire through the convention grounds that evening. I remember taking pics of a twin-engine DeHavilland Dominie and Gypsy Moth which started a long-time love of all of those great DH planes. If it wasn't '70, then it was a year or so later that a guy by the name of Rutan showed up with a plane he called the VariViggen--the rest is history, as they say. And who can forget "the Whistler!" Or Harold Best-Devereaux's accent and flying stories! Anyway, it was at Oshkosh 1970 that I got the bug and the spark to one day build my own plane. (A few years later I volunteered for a work weekend at Oshkosh and had the honor of replacing the generator brushes on Paul's "Red One" VW -- you might say it was my "brush" with fame! I sure hope it ran okay for Paul that summer!) Thirty-five years later I'm finally building that plane. It's a Piet and the fuselage now sits in the basement...all those memories and inspiration are tied up in that little plane now under construction. So, sure Oshkosh has become huge and commercialized, but I'll still go to Oshkosh to seek out the grass roots spirit -- and airplane parts! Last year was my first trip to Brodhead and I can tell you that I found the original spirit of EAA very much alive and well there -- best time I've had on an airport since 1970. What a great event! Let's see, only 70 days or so 'til Brodhead '05! By the way, I'm still working on metal fittings... Fred B. EAA 61810


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    Time: 10:02:59 AM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead
    Good memories Fred. I hope the teenaged kid that goes to Oshkosh this year will have some good memories like you still do 35 years later. It's still hard to believe what Hoover could do with that AeroC, even if it was the seeds of commercialization taking root at the homebuilder's convention. Wolfe- "you can't go home anymore" (or something like that, in Return of the Native), the Old EAA ain't no more. If you find those grass roots still lingering at Airventure '05, please let me know. Perhaps I would trade several glorious Alaskan summer days for a trip back to see the EAA as it use to, but suspect we'll have to rely on Homebuilder sponsored/organized events like Brodhead or the Canardians Rough River KY fly-ins to get the grass root started in a field laid fallow by commerical interests of HQ. So much for trips down memorie lane..................Get that Piete out the door, 35 years is too long for a building program. Gordon Bowen


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    Time: 03:39:57 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor
    Sorry to be off topic, but this is interesting. Just wanted to share with you all about a dying breed. Here is a picture of my Mentor's hand alongside the "hit or miss" engine that he built from scratch years ago. (Retired Toolmaker). Besides having all the knowledge of aviation, and building in his head, over the years he's had time for this type of stuff. He's helped me thru the completion of two airplane projects, and I hope he'll be around for my next ten. But being in the end of WWll,,,you never know. The "hit or miss" is cool. He just puts a little gas in it and gives the flywheel a flip. It starts irratically popping away. Drag a finger on the flywheel to put a load on it,,,and it pops steady. Glad I could help him for a change, by finding some collets for his milling machine, on my "new fangled computer" (on Ebay). His attitude is the best thing,,,right now he's working on putting together his Cassutt Racer. (100hp238mph) whew! thanks for your time. walt evans NX140DL do not archive


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    Time: 04:16:17 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor
    OFF topic? You can't get much more ON topic than this..... ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Fishnet Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor Sorry to be off topic, but this is interesting. Just wanted to share with you all about a dying breed. Here is a picture of my Mentor's hand alongside the "hit or miss" engine that he built from scratch years ago. (Retired Toolmaker). Besides having all the knowledge of aviation, and building in his head, over the years he's had time for this type of stuff. He's helped me thru the completion of two airplane projects, and I hope he'll be around for my next ten. But being in the end of WWll,,,you never know. The "hit or miss" is cool. He just puts a little gas in it and gives the flywheel a flip. It starts irratically popping away. Drag a finger on the flywheel to put a load on it,,,and it pops steady. Glad I could help him for a change, by finding some collets for his milling machine, on my "new fangled computer" (on Ebay). His attitude is the best thing,,,right now he's working on putting together his Cassutt Racer. (100hp238mph) whew! thanks for your time. walt evans NX140DL do not archive


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    Time: 07:53:43 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Cross Country Flights
    Chuck and Sterling Is this going to be right after Broadhead? Right about that time is the Harley get togeter at Sturgis. Another not to miss stop is the famous Wall Drug. The airport is only a couple of blocks away. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cross Country Flights In a message dated 5/13/2005 8:19:36 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Chuck Would you want some possible company for part of that trip? That area is very beautiful. I have flown in and out of the Black Hills area a few times. Coming down the valley thru Sundance, Spearfish and Sturgis is wonderful, especially the smell of the Black Hills pines. Devils Tower is also an amazing sight. I have orbited it closer than I should have. It wouldn't take much to get me out there again. Dick N. Dick, Did you ever get those floats done ?? Hey, wouldn't that be something if we had a whole gaggle of Low & Slows do this cross-country ?? That part of the country must be really beautiful. I've never been there. The smells from an open cockpit is just simply another one of the pleasures of this type of flying. From cookouts & fresh cut hay to grass fires & road kills...add in the birds eye view and the rumble sounds of an engine that doesn't skip a beat, and you get an experience that relatively few people have ever had. To all you folks out there building - keep after it and you will be rewarded ten fold !! Sterling, That flight up the Rio Grande is one I hope to make this summer. Max D. has another portion of Texas that sounds similar. Flying down to Terry B. at Tick Hill last summer, I discovered how BIG Texas really is !! To put it into perspective, it would take me Three days to fly across the state, east to west...or north to south for that matter. I think I could spend the whole summer flying around Texas, and would need at least 100 gallons of Baby Oil to smoke the whole state !! Chuck G. NX770CG Working on 'Drag Reduction Mod' on my plane. As far as a Pietenpol is concerned, it sounds like an Oxymoron, huh ? I'm cutting foam airfoils for all the round tubing, then cover it with UltraCoat - model airplane heat shrink covering. Improving my gas mileage, doing my part to reduce dependency on foreign oil...


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    Time: 08:03:50 PM PST US
    From: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
    Subject: Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net> Gordon Bowen wrote: > Good memories Fred. I hope the teenaged kid that goes to Oshkosh this > year will have some good memories like you still do 35 years later. > It's still hard to believe what Hoover could do with that AeroC, even > if it was the seeds of commercialization taking root at the > homebuilder's convention. Wolfe- "you can't go home anymore" (or > something like that, in Return of the Native), the Old EAA ain't no > more. If you find those grass roots still lingering at Airventure > '05, please let me know. Perhaps I would trade several glorious > Alaskan summer days for a trip back to see the EAA as it use to, but > suspect we'll have to rely on Homebuilder sponsored/organized events > like Brodhead or the Canardians Rough River KY fly-ins to get the > grass root started in a field laid fallow by commerical interests of HQ. > > So much for trips down memorie lane..................Get that Piete > out the door, 35 years is too long for a building program. > Gordon Bowen I might be true that you can't go home again, but then again maybe you can. If enough people were willing to work at it, maybe a new event can be started that had all the old princples that used to be what OSH was all about. Some of it is still there. I know of no where you can go with that big of a crowd of people with so little trash on the ground. My first trip to OSH I left my first decent camera on a table in one of the cafe's for a couple of hours in all the excitement. When I realized my mistake I went back thinking there was no way it would still be there. Yet to my surprise it had not moved one inch. Hundreds of people had walked by, but no one walked off with it. Just curious in a perfect world if we were going to start over again and recreate what OSH used to be, just where would you put it?


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    Time: 08:22:41 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Cross Country Flights
    Chuck I forgot about your question about the floats. I havent even thought about that lately. I am busy with the engine installation on my new Piet. There is a whole lot more to the installation of the radial. The floats are for that Piet and I'll get it flying first before taking that on. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cross Country Flights In a message dated 5/13/2005 8:19:36 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Chuck Would you want some possible company for part of that trip? That area is very beautiful. I have flown in and out of the Black Hills area a few times. Coming down the valley thru Sundance, Spearfish and Sturgis is wonderful, especially the smell of the Black Hills pines. Devils Tower is also an amazing sight. I have orbited it closer than I should have. It wouldn't take much to get me out there again. Dick N. Dick, Did you ever get those floats done ?? Hey, wouldn't that be something if we had a whole gaggle of Low & Slows do this cross-country ?? That part of the country must be really beautiful. I've never been there. The smells from an open cockpit is just simply another one of the pleasures of this type of flying. From cookouts & fresh cut hay to grass fires & road kills...add in the birds eye view and the rumble sounds of an engine that doesn't skip a beat, and you get an experience that relatively few people have ever had. To all you folks out there building - keep after it and you will be rewarded ten fold !! Sterling, That flight up the Rio Grande is one I hope to make this summer. Max D. has another portion of Texas that sounds similar. Flying down to Terry B. at Tick Hill last summer, I discovered how BIG Texas really is !! To put it into perspective, it would take me Three days to fly across the state, east to west...or north to south for that matter. I think I could spend the whole summer flying around Texas, and would need at least 100 gallons of Baby Oil to smoke the whole state !! Chuck G. NX770CG Working on 'Drag Reduction Mod' on my plane. As far as a Pietenpol is concerned, it sounds like an Oxymoron, huh ? I'm cutting foam airfoils for all the round tubing, then cover it with UltraCoat - model airplane heat shrink covering. Improving my gas mileage, doing my part to reduce dependency on foreign oil...


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    Time: 08:53:20 PM PST US
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    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: WOW, New Gn-1 plans
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) New GN-1 plans!!, cleaned up, vague areas clarified, mistakes corrected, imagine that! I wonder why the Pietenpol family never thought of doing that. Leon S. Do not archive.


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    Time: 09:38:00 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Cross Country Flights
    In a message dated 5/14/2005 9:54:50 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Chuck and Sterling Is this going to be right after Broadhead? Right about that time is the Harley get togeter at Sturgis. Another not to miss stop is the famous Wall Drug. The airport is only a couple of blocks away. Dick Yeah, I was thinking the 'Sturgis Run' would be a great time to get up that way. Sounds like you and Sterling would make good Tour Guides for this flight. What's the famous Wall Drug...place for the long hair, tatoo covered Harley drivers to gather ?? Put it down on the flight plan !! We'll have to plan this flight after Sterling gets his Test Flight Hours flown off, and he feels confident in his plane. As for me, I can be ready to go in a matter of hours !! Sterling, I hope you're healed up enough to get some work done on your plane !! Chuck G. doing an 'aerial photography' flight on Sunday.


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    Time: 09:42:27 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead
    In a message dated 5/14/2005 10:04:41 PM Central Standard Time, aerialphotos@dp.net writes: Just curious in a perfect world if we were going to start over again and recreate what OSH used to be, just where would you put it? Mark, How about Brodhead and Urbana ? Hey Mark, I see in your screen name you do some aerial photography. Do you have any advise for a rookie, about getting some good shots ?? Chuck G.


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    Time: 11:09:27 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net> Mark, In a perfect world the homebuilders convention would put the emphasis back on actually building/flying homebuilt aircraft: more area for the workshops and more types of workshops ie. instrumentation, engine rebuilding, etc. , less Forum tent emphasis on Gen'l Aviation high dollar products and more info on building techniques, discussion Forum tents made available for homebuilders of any particular design to exchange ideas and techniques with their particular projects. Bring the flea market back where it belongs as an important "shopping mall" for builders ( last time I was at OSH they had move the flea market back to somewhere near Green Bay and flea marketeers I talked to said many salvage yard guys couldn't afford the higher EAA fees for a place). Second issue- Why didn't the EAA provide the original e-forum for these diverse e-discussion groups? Why should our usergroup find itself hosted by Matronics computers, how many other computers are hosting discussions on parasol winged aircraft anyway? Why is the Osprey usergroup hosted on a private builder's homecomputer in Canada? Or the Canardians hosted on Yahoo, with public domain information files on canard aircraft currently on a builder's home/business computer? The most logical computer node to host all of these usergroups was and is on the home mainframe in Oshkosh. A consolidated place to place search files on engines, avionics, various plans mods, past emails for keyword searches. The most logical place for all this new means of homebuilder communications is and was thru the EAA, but they decided they weren't interested or it was benign neglect. But the world ain't perfect, nuff said. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion", John Adams


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    Time: 11:16:27 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: It's slow , so I'll brag about my Mentor
    Walt, You're exactly on target with nifty postings to this discuss group. I had to forward your posting to my Piete co-rebuilder/owner Floyd in FL who's 80 year old hands look like your mentor's. Without Floyd's machinist skills making special metal parts on his milling machine I'd have never gotten any homebuilts built over the last 15 years. Gordon Bowen




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