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1. 12:57 AM - 35-year building program (TBYH@aol.com)
2. 05:56 AM - EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (rhartwig11@juno.com)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead (Mark)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: Cross Country Flights (Andimaxd@AOL.COM)
5. 11:00 AM - GN-1 Aircamper (Alan Lyscars)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: GN-1 Aircamper (DJ Vegh)
7. 03:10 PM - Re: GN-1 Aircamper (walt evans)
8. 05:09 PM - Fortal Alloy (Carl Vought)
9. 05:10 PM - Re: GN-1 Aircamper (DJ Vegh)
10. 05:15 PM - Re: GN-1 Aircamper (Alan Lyscars)
11. 05:43 PM - drag reduction (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 07:20 PM - Re: Cross Country Flights (Dick Navratil)
13. 08:49 PM - Re: GN-1 Aircamper (Mike McCarty)
14. 09:15 PM - Re: drag reduction-streamline strut material (Clif Dawson)
15. 11:03 PM - Re: drag reduction (Rcaprd@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | 35-year building program |
In my last post about EAA, Oshkosh and Brodhead I kind of gave the impression
that I've been working on my Piet for 35 years. That would be one of the
lengthiest projects ever! Actually I just started building this past fall.
Why did it take so long before starting? The usual reasons, I suppose:
getting myself through college, new job, marriage, buying and paying for a house,
raising kids, etc., etc. My wife and I still have two of three kids to put
through college but I'm trying to work a Piet into the budget -- it's now or never,
I guess. I'm not getting any younger, either. BTW -- today our #2 son, who
is about to graduate from high school and plays varsity baseball, hit a nearly
400-foot over-the-center-field-fence 3-run homer! (Too bad the bases weren't
loaded!). I mention that not to brag (okay, maybe a little) but I think it's
important to keep priorities and balance day to day...I would have really kicked
myself had I been at home working on landing gear parts and missed that
moment!
Hope to see you all at Brodhead this summer!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead |
>Just curious in a perfect world if we were going to start over again and
>recreate what OSH used to be, just where would you put it?
Mark,
Paul Poberezny and Rudy Frasca are doing a good job of recreating those
old fly-ins. Join the SAA and go to Urbana, IL June 10-12. ( Their
website is: http://www.sportaviation.org/ )
It has one low-key concession that sells SAA hats, shirts, etc. No
commercial vendors--just a lot of really nice folks who like to look at
and talk airplanes.....and attend forums. The general public is not
invited--you have to be an SAA member to attend. The SAA magazine, To
Fly, is a trip down memory lane.
Dick Hartwig
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| Subject: | Re: EAA/Oshkosh/Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark <aerialphotos@dp.net>
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 5/14/2005 10:04:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> aerialphotos@dp.net writes:
>
> Just curious in a perfect world if we were going to start over
> again and
> recreate what OSH used to be, just where would you put it?
>
> Mark,
> How about Brodhead and Urbana ?
> Hey Mark, I see in your screen name you do some aerial photography.
> Do you have any advise for a rookie, about getting some good shots ??
>
> Chuck G.
Chuck you can email me off list if you want
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country Flights |
Chuck, Sterling & Dick,
Count me in as well !! I'll throw in with you guys for the '06 Tour.
NX101XW is slated to fly late this Summer, and I'm well on my way to becoming
a
legal PIC again. By the '06 Tour I should be in a position where I can swing
it...(Not just blowing smoke, haha)
I'm off to KGPM for another hour of "Zen" training with my Father in Law in
his '46 C-140.
Max Davis
Arlington, TX.
Do not archive
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Fellows:
Just started to make fittings for Aircamper.
I'd like to make all of this ship with simple tools at hand. Anybody got ideas,
reccommendations, or references to construct the Joggled Strap (drawing 100-20,
pg.6)? Looks like it can't be hammered.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Aircamper |
a couple ways to do that strap.
1. don't joggle it - just let it flex up away from the fuse as it meets the fuse
fitting
2. make the joggle less drastic. more of a lengthened "Z" bend than a joggle
3. cut the stap a little short and then weld a separate piece on each end overlapped
on the strap to create a joggle.
I'm going to use method #2 on my GN-1.
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
Fellows:
Just started to make fittings for Aircamper.
I'd like to make all of this ship with simple tools at hand. Anybody got ideas,
reccommendations, or references to construct the Joggled Strap (drawing 100-20,
pg.6)? Looks like it can't be hammered.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Aircamper |
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DJ,
This is interesting, for us non GN-1 builders,,,what's a Joggle?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
a couple ways to do that strap.
1. don't joggle it - just let it flex up away from the fuse as it meets the fuse
fitting
2. make the joggle less drastic. more of a lengthened "Z" bend than a joggle
3. cut the stap a little short and then weld a separate piece on each end overlapped
on the strap to create a joggle.
I'm going to use method #2 on my GN-1.
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
Fellows:
Just started to make fittings for Aircamper.
I'd like to make all of this ship with simple tools at hand. Anybody got ideas,
reccommendations, or references to construct the Joggled Strap (drawing
100-20, pg.6)? Looks like it can't be hammered.
Alan
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I take a magazine entitled "Machinist's Workshop" Published by Village press in Traverse City, MI. In the Dec.04/Jan.05 issue, there was an article about a metal that was completely new to me. It appears to be an aluminum alloy and is called "Fortal".I made a table of properties comparing it to 6061 and to steel to send as an attachment to a posting, but the list cop at Matronics threw it out (too big). The table shows its' tensile strength to be 78,320 psi compared to 64,000 psi for 1020 steel.Shear strength is the same as 1020. Density is the same as 6061. Don't know about weldability, but the author of the article says it can be cut on an ordinary wood-cutting bandsaw. I would be glad to send a xerox copy of the article to anyone who will send me a SASE. I feel ignorant about this...I've been an engineer for the last 48 years..Where has this stuff been? A source for Fortal (I hate the name) is at http://www.mousebar.com/home.html ......Carl Vought/ 1324 Toney Dr., Huntsville, AL 35802
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Aircamper |
a joggle is a metalworking term. where you make 2 90=B0 bends very close to each
other to form a "lip"
here's a pic showing a joggle being made with a forming block and hammer
www.imagedv.com/aircamper/joggle.jpg
There is a strap that goes underneath the GN-1 fuse that connects the left wing
strut fitting to the right one.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
DJ,
This is interesting, for us non GN-1 builders,,,what's a Joggle?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
a couple ways to do that strap.
1. don't joggle it - just let it flex up away from the fuse as it meets the
fuse fitting
2. make the joggle less drastic. more of a lengthened "Z" bend than a joggle
3. cut the stap a little short and then weld a separate piece on each end overlapped
on the strap to create a joggle.
I'm going to use method #2 on my GN-1.
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
Fellows:
Just started to make fittings for Aircamper.
I'd like to make all of this ship with simple tools at hand. Anybody got
ideas, reccommendations, or references to construct the Joggled Strap (drawing
100-20, pg.6)? Looks like it can't be hammered.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Aircamper |
Thanx, DJ.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
a couple ways to do that strap.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Chuck "baby oil" Gantzer wrote-
>Working on 'Drag Reduction Mod' on my plane.
>I'm cutting foam airfoils for all the round tubing, then cover it with
>UltraCoat
>model airplane heat shrink covering.
You know there is an easier way to do this, right? The ultralight guys came
up with a molded plastic streamline "tubing" that slips on over round
tubing. It's available through the ultralight supply houses in two
different sizes for two different ranges of steel tube sizes. It's
paintable, and of course can be slipped off the steel tube if need arises
later.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country Flights |
Havent you seen Wall Drug bumper stickers all over the country on campers and such?
Wall Drug is in lovely Wall, SD. It's in the middle of nowhere. Back in
the 40's the owner of the town drug store got the idea to put up a billboard
along the highway saying "FREE ICE WATER". It made the town a instant stop on
the way west. Wall Drug is now a city block long. You can eat, buy gifts, a
new saddle or just about anything else, even asprin. They also have a casino.
You will find plenty of Harley drivers along with everyone else headed for
Mt. Rushmore. Rumor is now that Harley drivers have been infilterated by lawyers
and accountants with temporary tatoos. You can generally find their wives
in the pottery or linens section at Wall Drug.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross Country Flights
In a message dated 5/14/2005 9:54:50 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net
writes:
Yeah, I was thinking the 'Sturgis Run' would be a great time to get up that way.
Sounds like you and Sterling would make good Tour Guides for this flight.
What's the famous Wall Drug...place for the long hair, tatoo covered Harley
drivers to gather ?? Put it down on the flight plan !!
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Aircamper |
I'd call that an offset. You used a forming block and a hammer, if you use a
second block where you were hammering you can just squeeze it all in a vice
or a press.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
a joggle is a metalworking term. where you make 2 90=B0 bends very close to
each other to form a "lip"
here's a pic showing a joggle being made with a forming block and hammer
www.imagedv.com/aircamper/joggle.jpg
There is a strap that goes underneath the GN-1 fuse that connects the left wing
strut fitting to the right one.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
DJ,
This is interesting, for us non GN-1 builders,,,what's a Joggle?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
a couple ways to do that strap.
1. don't joggle it - just let it flex up away from the fuse as it meets the
fuse fitting
2. make the joggle less drastic. more of a lengthened "Z" bend than a joggle
3. cut the stap a little short and then weld a separate piece on each end
overlapped on the strap to create a joggle.
I'm going to use method #2 on my GN-1.
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Aircamper
Fellows:
Just started to make fittings for Aircamper.
I'd like to make all of this ship with simple tools at hand. Anybody got
ideas, reccommendations, or references to construct the Joggled Strap (drawing
100-20, pg.6)? Looks like it can't be hammered.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: drag reduction-streamline strut material |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Here you go;
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/ultralightstore/streamlinedstruts.htm
Clif
>>Working on 'Drag Reduction Mod' on my plane.
>>I'm cutting foam airfoils for all the round tubing, then cover it with
>>UltraCoat
>>model airplane heat shrink covering.
>
> You know there is an easier way to do this, right? The ultralight guys
> came up with a molded plastic streamline "tubing" that slips on over round
> tubing. It's available through the ultralight supply houses in two
> different sizes for two different ranges of steel tube sizes. It's
> paintable, and of course can be slipped off the steel tube if need arises
> later.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: drag reduction |
In a message dated 5/15/2005 10:18:53 PM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
The ultralight guys came
up with a molded plastic streamline "tubing" that slips on over round
tubing.
Oscar,
Yeah, I've heard of this product, through these discussion groups. There is
absolutely no doubt that the plastic streamline slip - over tubing is easier
than the way I am doing it, although I don't see how I could slip it over some
of the tubes I'm doing. The thing is, I have 4 different size tubes that I'm
going to streamline, and I already have a nichrome wire foam cutter that I
used in building model airplanes. The width of the tubing that is presented to
the airstream, is no thicker than original - less the thickness of the
Ultracoat. I finished the jury struts today. I have the foam all cut and ready
to go
on the 3 different size tubes on the landing gear...I'll be finishing that up
this week. I covered this process in one of my video's.
Chuck G.
NX770CG - Slippery Piet
Got some great video of 3 hot air balloons this evening, as they were
landing. Gave 'em a halo of smoke !!
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