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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Fortal Alloy (Jim Ash)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Fortal Alloy (Jim Ash)
3. 05:48 AM - CC cutout (Michael D Cuy)
4. 10:15 AM - Pam (Michael D Cuy)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: Pam (Frank Metcalfe)
6. 01:12 PM - Re: Pam ()
7. 04:18 PM - Re: Pam (Galen Hutcheson)
8. 04:43 PM - Re: CC cutout (Dave Esslinger)
9. 11:51 PM - Re: Pam (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Fortal Alloy |
Yep, down to the copyright date and document number on the back page.
Jim
At 5/18/2005 05:52 PM -0700, you wrote:
><http://www.supdie.com/publications/pdf/fm-v3.pdf>http://www.supdie.com/publications/pdf/fm-v3.pdf
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>Is this the same as the booklet you have?
>
>Clif
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>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fortal Alloy
>Somewhere, somehow, I ended up with a booklet on Fortal from a company
>called Superior Die Set Corp (I just dug it out of my mess and have it in
>front of me). As best I can tell, it looks to me like the stuff is 7175
>aluminum.
>
>Jim Ash
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| Subject: | Re: Fortal Alloy |
<005201c55c0d$05e04040$60705118@dawsonaviation>
I know enough metallurgy to know that small-percentage changes in alloy
content can make for large changes in material properties, but I couldn't
begin to identify which components do what (or better yet, how). Be that as
it may, I did some monkey-see, monkey-do with this information, and Fortal
pretty much ran dead-nuts up the middle of the alloy content ranges for
7175, just like you saw.
None of this says there's anything wrong with Fortal. I haven't priced
straight-up 7175 raw stock to see how his prices compare, but I have to
wonder how many people have gotten suckered into believing this stuff is
some kind of magic from another planet.
I like roses...
Jim Ash
At 5/18/2005 11:47 PM -0700, you wrote:
>I knew I had this somewhere. Looking through their listings for the 7175
>range you mentioned, this seems the closest and the alloy composition
>Superior lists falls within the range listed here too.
>Ah, the wonders of marketing. A rose by any other name.......
>
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><http://www.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA7175T736>http://www.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA7175T736
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>Clif
>
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Dave-- I would do the cutout again for sure. The hand hold comes in very
handy too in getting
in and out and in getting up to the baggage in my CC. I basically glued a
1/4" piece of plywood
(flat-wise) to the rear of a false spar that I placed about 10" aft of the
rear spar to the trailing edge. Glued the edges of this ply to the butt
ribs of the CC. The ply piece had a sabre-sawed curvature of the cutout w/
a hand-hold cutout in it.
The tops and bottom were faired w/ big blocks of balsa wood and 1/16"
plywood. Photos enclosed.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- a friend was telling me he sprays PAM cooking stuff on his
grill/front of his van when he travels long distances
and I thought.....hmmm...I wonder if this wouldn't be bad to use on the
prop, nosebowl, gear legs and wing leading edge ???
why not !
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Frank Metcalfe" <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
I have a freind that sprays his plane with lemond Pleage. He swares that the
bugs that do stick (down about 90%) wipe off with dry cloth.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pam
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- a friend was telling me he sprays PAM cooking stuff on his
grill/front of his van when he travels long distances
and I thought.....hmmm...I wonder if this wouldn't be bad to use on the
prop, nosebowl, gear legs and wing leading edge ???
why not !
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <flyinhobo@bellsouth.net>
Frank,
I'm in a partnership in a C-172 and we use Lemon Pledge all the time on the
wing leading edges, windshield, and prop spinner and nose bowl it does help
in removing the bugs and we have plenty of them in SC.
Paul Carter
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From: "Frank Metcalfe" <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pam
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Frank Metcalfe"
<fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
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> I have a freind that sprays his plane with lemond Pleage. He swares that
the
> bugs that do stick (down about 90%) wipe off with dry cloth.
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
> Cuy
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:13 PM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pam
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
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> Guys-- a friend was telling me he sprays PAM cooking stuff on his
> grill/front of his van when he travels long distances
> and I thought.....hmmm...I wonder if this wouldn't be bad to use on the
> prop, nosebowl, gear legs and wing leading edge ???
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> why not !
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> Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I wiped my Pitts down each time I flew it with Lemon
Pleage, the spray bottle, not the aerosol can, and it
kept the plane looking freshly waxed all the time.
The bugs are easy to get off too.
Doc
--- Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Esslinger" <aquanaut@indy.rr.com>
Mike, thanks for the photos and info. If your good with the idea, I'd like
to fly over to Ohio sometime and pick your brain and look at your plane. I'm
not sure what part of Ohio you live in but as long as it's got a grass strip
or better that I can land a 170 on I'd like to make plans. Thanks for the
help.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC cutout
Dave-- I would do the cutout again for sure. The hand hold comes in very
handy too in getting
in and out and in getting up to the baggage in my CC. I basically glued a
1/4" piece of plywood
(flat-wise) to the rear of a false spar that I placed about 10" aft of the
rear spar to the trailing edge. Glued the edges of this ply to the butt
ribs of the CC. The ply piece had a sabre-sawed curvature of the cutout w/
a hand-hold cutout in it.
The tops and bottom were faired w/ big blocks of balsa wood and 1/16"
plywood. Photos enclosed.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Virgin olive oil and lecithin, slippery stuff there Mike.
Seeing as how both those things are so incredibly
good for your internal workings a little on your wings
can't hurt. Maybe you could go straight to the source.
Buy a bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil.( I wonder how
smoky it is? dual purpose? :-) ) and wipe it on.
Although it will attract dirt and grunge. The Lemon
Pledge appears to be mostly silicone ( outside of the
water content, that is ). More slippery stuff!
http://www.jdbrands.com/frameset.asp?sidebar=/msds/sidebar-func.asp&cArgs=topic%3DMSDS%20Info
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pam
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- a friend was telling me he sprays PAM cooking stuff on his
> grill/front of his van when he travels long distances
> and I thought.....hmmm...I wonder if this wouldn't be bad to use on the
> prop, nosebowl, gear legs and wing leading edge ???
>
> why not !
>
> Mike C.
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