---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/20/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - Re: Pam (Jim Ash) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: Pam (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 08:25 AM - Rear lower seatbelt attach advice (Rick Holland) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice (Phillips, Jack) 5. 01:58 PM - Re: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice (Dick Navratil) 6. 04:43 PM - Re: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice (Peter W Johnson) 7. 05:44 PM - Re: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice (Rick Holland) 8. 08:00 PM - Re: Pam (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:34 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pam --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Somewhere I have a vague recollection of somebody else using Pledge to keep that plane lemony-fresh. Jim Ash At 5/19/2005 02:34 PM -0400, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Frank Metcalfe" > > >I have a freind that sprays his plane with lemond Pleage. He swares that the >bugs that do stick (down about 90%) wipe off with dry cloth. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D >Cuy >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:13 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pam > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > >Guys-- a friend was telling me he sprays PAM cooking stuff on his >grill/front of his van when he travels long distances >and I thought.....hmmm...I wonder if this wouldn't be bad to use on the >prop, nosebowl, gear legs and wing leading edge ??? > >why not ! > >Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:03 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pam Pieters, On the subject of slippery stuff, I caution all to step lively when using Pride or Pledge or even Maquires fine wax. Usually on labels of products they furnish an 800 number for customer inquiries. I would certainly use the number before I used the product. What I'm trying to say is avoid any product containing silicone. After spending 48 years in the Piano business I can assure you that you will never be able to repaint a siliconed surface satisfactorily. Corky in warming up Louisiana ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:53 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Have gone through the archieves looking for advice on rear lower seatbelt attachment and would like some advice. Sounds like most people just drill a 5/16" hole in the bottom longerons with 1/8" ply on both sides. Just want to make sure I am not weakening the longerons with these big holes. Also, which is better, drilling the holes horizontal or vertical? I believe Mike Cuy mentioned on his video that he just glued a and gusseted a block to the longerons and bolted the belts to that. Figured I would consult the GN-1 plans for some guidance and couldn't find a thing about it. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice From: "Phillips, Jack" FAA requires seatbelts to be attached to the main structure. With that in mind, I drilled the holes through the lower longerons and doublers. Put the holes in the horizontal plane, and drill them through the middle of the longeron (neutral axis) so they have minimal effect on the strength of the longeron. The seatbelts need to be capable of withstanding a 20 G load, so with a 200 lb pilot, that is a 4,000 lb load. Jack Phillips, PE Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development Clinical Technologies and Services Cardinal Health Creedmoor, NC (919) 528-5212 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Have gone through the archieves looking for advice on rear lower seatbelt attachment and would like some advice. Sounds like most people just drill a 5/16" hole in the bottom longerons with 1/8" ply on both sides. Just want to make sure I am not weakening the longerons with these big holes. Also, which is better, drilling the holes horizontal or vertical? I believe Mike Cuy mentioned on his video that he just glued a and gusseted a block to the longerons and bolted the belts to that. Figured I would consult the GN-1 plans for some guidance and couldn't find a thing about it. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:59 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice I ran a 1/8" cable from the tail wheel post with a "Y" to eachside of the seat and to the top for the shoulder harness. The inspector loved it. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Have gone through the archieves looking for advice on rear lower seatbelt attachment and would like some advice. Sounds like most people just drill a 5/16" hole in the bottom longerons with 1/8" ply on both sides. Just want to make sure I am not weakening the longerons with these big holes. Also, which is better, drilling the holes horizontal or vertical? I believe Mike Cuy mentioned on his video that he just glued a and gusseted a block to the longerons and bolted the belts to that. Figured I would consult the GN-1 plans for some guidance and couldn't find a thing about it. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:21 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Rick, I reinforced the area around the seat. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com , Building photos page 2. Images are around image_0265.jpg. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi, Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Have gone through the archieves looking for advice on rear lower seatbelt attachment and would like some advice. Sounds like most people just drill a 5/16" hole in the bottom longerons with 1/8" ply on both sides. Just want to make sure I am not weakening the longerons with these big holes. Also, which is better, drilling the holes horizontal or vertical? I believe Mike Cuy mentioned on his video that he just glued a and gusseted a block to the longerons and bolted the belts to that. Figured I would consult the GN-1 plans for some guidance and couldn't find a thing about it. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:31 PM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice Thanks Dick, but how did you attach your rear lap belts? On 5/20/05, Dick Navratil wrote: > > I ran a 1/8" cable from the tail wheel post with a "Y" to eachside of the > seat and to the top for the shoulder harness. > The inspector loved it. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 10:25 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Rear lower seatbelt attach advice > > Have gone through the archieves looking for advice on rear lower seatbelt > attachment and would like some advice. Sounds like most people just drill a > 5/16" hole in the bottom longerons with 1/8" ply on both sides. Just want to > make sure I am not weakening the longerons with these big holes. Also, which > is better, drilling the holes horizontal or vertical? I believe Mike Cuy > mentioned on his video that he just glued a and gusseted a block to the > longerons and bolted the belts to that. > > Figured I would consult the GN-1 plans for some guidance and couldn't find > a thing about it. > > Thanks > > -- > Rick Holland > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:45 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pam In a message dated 5/20/2005 6:45:22 AM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: What I'm trying to say is avoid any product containing silicone. After spending 48 years in the Piano business I can assure you that you will never be able to repaint a siliconed surface satisfactorily. I found the same thing to be true, when I used to paint cars. The wet paint would have hundreds of little 'fish eyes' in it. If you use a product from the local paint shop, called Fish Eyes (comes in a small brown bottle) it eliminates the problem. It's a small bottle with an eye dropper in it. You use one eyedropper full for each quart of mixed paint. Put it in right before you're ready to spray, and mix well. Chuck G.