---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/09/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Re: Cruise Speed (Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com) 2. 05:48 AM - golfing and touch and goes (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Cruise speed... (Robert Gow) 4. 06:12 AM - Re: Brodhead dates (Gene Rambo) 5. 06:12 AM - Re: golfing and touch and goes (Rick Holland) 6. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Cruise Speed (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 7. 07:20 AM - Need some answers (Isablcorky@aol.com) 8. 08:16 AM - Re: Need some answers (Gordon Bowen) 9. 08:44 AM - long overwater flight to Belize ? (Michael D Cuy) 10. 11:42 AM - Re: Need some answers (walt evans) 11. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Cruise Speed (Norman Stapelberg) 12. 12:48 PM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Gordon Bowen) 13. 01:06 PM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Isablcorky@aol.com) 14. 03:51 PM - Re: Brodhead dates () 15. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Cruise Speed (N925WB1@aol.com) 16. 09:32 PM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Catdesign) 17. 10:29 PM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:46 AM PST US From: Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise Speed I must agree on the Warp Drive prop. I have approx 180 hours on my Corvair powered Piet, hand proping, with zero problems and very good performance. The prop is a 70 inch with HP hub and blades. I also like being able to adjust the prop for the kind of performance you need. Have a great day, JIM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:56 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: golfing and touch and goes My buddy from work and I were golfing one summer and when we were teeing off on No. 7 I told him that this would be a perfect place to land the plane or to do a touch and go. That winter, when all the golfers where home by the fire, I did a touch (no, someone) did a touch and go on that fairway. It was nice and firm-- I could have done a full stop but thought better of it, not wanting to be on the 6 o'clock news. Someone in the midwest:)) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:45 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cruise speed... Well I used to do the same thing with my chief on skis. Get about 20 feet above Lake Simcoe (Ontario) with the sun behind you, slow down and put the shadow the airplane right over a sled. It was funny to see the rider looking around to see what was causing the shadow. The sun is low enough in the winter that you can be far enough back that he cant see you without turning right around. Slide back a few yards to give him some light then sneak back up again. Repeat until bored. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bike.mike Sent: June 8, 2005 6:54 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cruise speed... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com [snip] I often wonder what is going through the driver's mind, when he / she sees a big shadow on the road up ahead !! Someone I won't name was flying an Aeronca Champ over oil country in Califonia, trying to keep the shadow on an oil tanker. On a whim, out on a private, paved, oil company haul road, "someone" did a touch and go in front of the tanker, leaving the wheels on the road for several hundred feet. "Someone" then flew straight away, hoping the driver didn't get a look at the 3" N-numbers. "Someone" wonders, every now and then, if that driver still tells the story in some bar in Kern county. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:25 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates I am sure it has been on here and I have missed it. What are the dates of this year's Brodhead Piet fly-in? Gene. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:25 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: golfing and touch and goes Wow, just like Howard Hughes used to do with his Sikorsky, (you did see the movie didn't you?). http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Sikorsky/Aero24G4.jpg According to the book he landed an S-38 on a golf course in Bevery Hills and couldn't take off the next day so he had the Sikorsky taken apart and hauled back to the airport to be put back together. So its a good thing you didn't do a full stop Mike. Rick H On 6/9/05, Michael D Cuy wrote: > > My buddy from work and I were golfing one summer and when we were teeing > off on No. 7 I told him that this > would be a perfect place to land the plane or to do a touch and go. That > winter, when all the golfers where home > by the fire, I did a touch (no, *someone) *did a touch and go on that > fairway. It was nice and firm-- I could have done > a full stop but thought better of it, not wanting to be on the 6 o'clock > news. > > Someone in the midwest:)) > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise Speed From: harvey.rule@bell.ca FILETIME=[3F9F6910:01C56CFB] All I'm saying is I know of at least 3 pilots who had problems and didn't know about it till they took their props off and checked them out.Just a word of warning. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise Speed I must agree on the Warp Drive prop. I have approx 180 hours on my Corvair powered Piet, hand proping, with zero problems and very good performance. The prop is a 70 inch with HP hub and blades. I also like being able to adjust the prop for the kind of performance you need. Have a great day, JIM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:34 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some answers Pieters, Would appreciate the answers to the following questions: 1 How many lbs can an empty, sealed gallon milk jug support in fresh water? 2 In salt water? 3 In bayou water? All based on 231 cu in vessel Thanks Someone still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:01 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need some answers Corky, A cubic foot of water is about 64#, and 1728 cubic inches. Therefore 231/1728 0.134 cubic feet. OR about 8.5#/gallon for water. So..........amount of weight supported by plastic gallon jug is 8.5# minus the weight of jug. OR about 8#'s per jug. Salt water weights more per gallon than fresh water but not much, and it depends on the salinity of the water, same for bayou water, it depends on the saltyness. But, except for the Great Salt Lake, the salt content is not over 2%. This can get more accurate, how precise do you need this? You planning on making a float plane out of the Piete? Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some answers Pieters, Would appreciate the answers to the following questions: 1 How many lbs can an empty, sealed gallon milk jug support in fresh water? 2 In salt water? 3 In bayou water? All based on 231 cu in vessel Thanks Someone still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:17 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Oh my God Corky--- please tell us that you are not planning on flying to Belize to see that bonehead Ray Axillou.......aka, The Fisherman...... Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:17 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need some answers OR, you should be able to do it the Thomas Edison way. He didn't like figuring, but did it the common sense way. 1 fill the jug with water and weigh it. That's how much it will support for neutral bouancy. 2 fill it with salt water and weigh it.. ditto 3 fill it with bayou water ( without getting croc bit) ditto walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some answers Pieters, Would appreciate the answers to the following questions: 1 How many lbs can an empty, sealed gallon milk jug support in fresh water? 2 In salt water? 3 In bayou water? All based on 231 cu in vessel Thanks Someone still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:47 PM PST US From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed Check your prop carefully as I had a ground adjustable let go late down wind, my test pilot made it back to terafirma in one piece, wish the same could said for my plane. Attached is a pic of the hub. I get a cruise of 70mph at 2200rpm and a climb of 500 fpm at 60 mph out with an 0-235 100hp, fitted with a Sensenich 72 dia 50 pitch metal certified. Note the climb is done with a 95kg (210 lbs) pilot and a 75kg (165lbs) Pax with 75lt (16.5gal) fuel out of a field based at 5340 ASL. The density altitude sits anywhere from around 7000ft. Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA Pietenpol Aircamper South Africa -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wolk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed I was getting 76 mph with a Sensenich Wood prop that limited rpm to 2200 flat out with an A-65. Now I still get 76 mph with a two blade warp drive pitched to throttle back to 2250 rpm and better fuel economy. My ASI reads high. These numbers are based on many tests using a GPS in 4 directions. Shawn Wolk C-FRAZ Pietenpol Aircamper C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:30 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? If this trip is the case, Corky will need to stash about 100 gallon milk jugs in the Piete to insure the Coast Guard will find the his body floating in the Gulf, and still have the plane float up on some sandy sunny beach. Littering the beach has some heavy fines. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Cuy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Oh my God Corky--- please tell us that you are not planning on flying to Belize to see that bonehead Ray Axillou.......aka, The Fisherman...... Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:52 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Do not archive Some of you Pieters sure can let your imaginations run wild. Honestly, how many of you have seen the width of the Mississippi at Vicksburg, Natchez and Baton Rouge? Plus the swamps for many miles on either bank. Snakes, alligators, crawfish, black bears, coons, more snakes and gators, skeeters, red bugs, lice, ticks, deer fly. Now tell me honestly,,wouldn't you rather be floating? Someone in the Louisiana Paradise Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:50 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates July 22, 23 & 24 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates I am sure it has been on here and I have missed it. What are the dates of this year's Brodhead Piet fly-in? Gene. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:15 PM PST US From: N925WB1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed Everyone please be careful when using some of these ground-adjustable props. I lost a good friend in an ultralight accident when his ground adjustable prop came off the back end of his Rans. When the prop departed, it impacted the tail boom which caused the boom to fail. He and his passenger were both killed upon impact. There was nothing they could have done. It turns out that one of the prop bolts had broken, which lead to the rapid failure of the remaining bolts. The bolts provided by the prop manufacturer were NOT AN-grade. Yes, my friend should have known better, but so should a manufacturer. The theory is that after loosening and re-tightening the bolts several times to adjust the prop, they evenutally became elongated and weakened. So, please be careful with ground-adjustable props. Be careful with all props for that matter. -Wayne ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:36 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Corky, why not install amphibious floats? I bet they would look cool and be a great hit at the flyins. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Do not archive Some of you Pieters sure can let your imaginations run wild. Honestly, how many of you have seen the width of the Mississippi at Vicksburg, Natchez and Baton Rouge? Plus the swamps for many miles on either bank. Snakes, alligators, crawfish, black bears, coons, more snakes and gators, skeeters, red bugs, lice, ticks, deer fly. Now tell me honestly,,wouldn't you rather be floating? Someone in the Louisiana Paradise Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:00 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Sounds to me you SHOULD put floats on the thing. You'd have a lot more fun than filling it up with milk jugs! Or you could seal the whole thing with sloshing sealer and fill it with helium. A side benefit would be VERY good short field performance. Clif, in da Grate Nort Land of oceans, lakes and rivers. do not archive Some of you Pieters sure can let your imaginations run wild. Honestly, how many of you have seen the width of the Mississippi at Vicksburg, Natchez and Baton Rouge? Plus the swamps for many miles on either bank. Snakes, alligators, crawfish, black bears, coons, more snakes and gators, skeeters, red bugs, lice, ticks, deer fly. Now tell me honestly,,wouldn't you rather be floating? Someone in the Louisiana Paradise Do not archive