---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/10/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Cruise Speed (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Jim Markle) 3. 05:09 AM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Jim Markle) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: long overwater flight to Belize ? (Michael D Cuy) 5. 08:20 AM - Another question (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 08:31 AM - Re: Another question (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 7. 08:32 AM - Wood Pietenpol cabane struts (Egan, John) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Another question (Jack Phillips) 9. 03:21 PM - Re: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts (Galen Hutcheson) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts (walt evans) 11. 05:17 PM - Re: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed From: harvey.rule@bell.ca FILETIME=[42FA9200:01C56DAB] When I was changing my engine on my N3 Pup from a Rotax 503 with reduction drive to a =BD VW the folks at Perceptor warned me that a ground adjustable prop was not a good thing to have on a direct drive engine due to the torgue at the root of the prop.For warned is for armed. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N925WB1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed Everyone please be careful when using some of these ground-adjustable props. I lost a good friend in an ultralight accident when his ground adjustable prop came off the back end of his Rans. When the prop departed, it impacted the tail boom which caused the boom to fail. He and his passenger were both killed upon impact. There was nothing they could have done. It turns out that one of the prop bolts had broken, which lead to the rapid failure of the remaining bolts. The bolts provided by the prop manufacturer were NOT AN-grade. Yes, my friend should have known better, but so should a manufacturer. The theory is that after loosening and re-tightening the bolts several times to adjust the prop, they evenutally became elongated and weakened. So, please be careful with ground-adjustable props. Be careful with all props for that matter. -Wayne ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:28 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Sloshing sealer, knot tying, spar reinforcing pieces, wooden hand made clamps (which I saw a luthier use on TV recently), etc, etc, etc.....seems like everytime I see your name on an email I end up with a NEW HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT!!!! But I'm not doing this sloshing project.... But I DID the knot. VERY COOL! In fact, I'm redoing my cockpit fittings from the light color to a darker color (won't show dirt/grease as bad) and when I redo the windings I will figure out how to incorporate a Turk's Head.....or at least the weave pattern....I love that.. Just not sure I want a big ball at the end.....I'll figure it out and send you a picture of the result. Ok, now the truth. I piddled with the damn thing for hours and never quite got there. Close but no cigar..... Then Julia came home from a trip to see her folks and found my piece of twine and the printouts for the knot. "Hmmm, what's this?" she asks....."Clif sent me another freakin' project I can't walk away from....". In a few minutes she comes back in the room and plops this "round bundle of knots" thingy with a couple lines sticking out of it onto my desk....DRAT!!!! SHE DID IT! And it's perfect. So why do I love this woman? Instead of being truthful, she says "You had it started right, I just finished it for you..."....I know better. And I'm still laughing about your recent "grass route" definition.... You're a pretty neat guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Sounds to me you SHOULD put floats on the thing. You'd have a lot more fun than filling it up with milk jugs! Or you could seal the whole thing with sloshing sealer and fill it with helium. A side benefit would be VERY good short field performance. Clif, in da Grate Nort Land of oceans, lakes and rivers. do not archive Some of you Pieters sure can let your imaginations run wild. Honestly, how many of you have seen the width of the Mississippi at Vicksburg, Natchez and Baton Rouge? Plus the swamps for many miles on either bank. Snakes, alligators, crawfish, black bears, coons, more snakes and gators, skeeters, red bugs, lice, ticks, deer fly. Now tell me honestly,,wouldn't you rather be floating? Someone in the Louisiana Paradise Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:25 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? Well, I've done it again....cc'd ALL with a personal note intended for Clif...I'm such an idiot.... Sorry folks.... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long overwater flight to Belize ? dawsonaviation><004101c56db3$9a8295b0$6401a8c0@FAMILY> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jim-- we still love you. Mikee ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:39 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question Pieters, If I were flying along at 2000 ft in my Piet and suddenly my engine failed completely: How much distance horizontally could I expect to travel at a decend of 55mph IAS? Still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question From: harvey.rule@bell.ca FILETIME=[5BF013E0:01C56DD1] That would depend on your head winds wouldn't it? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question Pieters, If I were flying along at 2000 ft in my Piet and suddenly my engine failed completely: How much distance horizontally could I expect to travel at a decend of 55mph IAS? Still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts From: "Egan, John" FILETIME=[9864C320:01C56DD1] --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" Would anyone like to comment on the use of wood struts at the center section of the wing (vertical struts from fuselage to the center wing section)? Would ash work well for this, or an ash/plywood lamination, or an ash to ash lamination to change the grain direction. I'm thinking that the "originals" didn't use wood to keep the weight down. I'd like to go with a Corvair to power this. Wood is easy for me to use as opposed to fabricating from steel or aluminum, and I like the look of wood. I recently found this web site, this is my first discussion, and I hope to accelerate my build with your help. This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question About 400 yards ... with the wind. Seriously, a Piet with no engine is going to come down at about 1200 fpm, so you are looking at less than 2 minutes, so I would figure about a mile and a half. When I had a partial engine failure in mine last November, the engine was putting out about 1300 RPM and I was coming down at 400 fpm. I was only about 1,000' AGL when it happened so I was on the ground 2-1/2 minutes after. I covered about 3 miles. Jack Phillips (Hoping to get NX899JP back to the airport tomorrow) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question Pieters, If I were flying along at 2000 ft in my Piet and suddenly my engine failed completely: How much distance horizontally could I expect to travel at a decend of 55mph IAS? Still in Louisiana ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:41 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=M6znt5s59ZRGnLT+FR+6s3f4S+/MOmcObsL3odsiD2OZvcl10pXFjVSBUwwgJVN0C1xwHkHHo1gI1ERG7GVZzeuB9pSMvm85idp0nq2UwSLRw4vnVUgQkv32tCVy7FNMZ8tVd4hrvlaqZKq7VizgSUj4QDdtnmroECeH1+qdEdA= ; From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Wood is a good material to make the cabane struts from. The cabanes don't carry as much weight as you might think. The Curtiss Jenny used non-laminated spruce for all struts (and there are many) and that is what I am using for my project. Some have even used wood laminations for the lift struts, but most use metal. Many Piets I've seen have wooden cabane struts, some laminated, some not. I hope this helps and want to welcome you to the group. Doc --- "Egan, John" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" > > > Would anyone like to comment on the use of wood > struts at the center > section of the wing (vertical struts from fuselage > to the center wing > section)? Would ash work well for this, or an > ash/plywood lamination, > or an ash to ash lamination to change the grain > direction. I'm thinking > that the "originals" didn't use wood to keep the > weight down. I'd like > to go with a Corvair to power this. Wood is easy > for me to use as > opposed to fabricating from steel or aluminum, and I > like the look of > wood. > > I recently found this web site, this is my first > discussion, and I hope > to accelerate my build with your help. > > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, > confidential, or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. If you have > received this message in error, please inform us > promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and > destroy any printed copy. Thank you. > ============================================================================== > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://discover.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:52 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" John, Sorry, Don't know anything about wooden cabane struts, but welcome to the group. You'll never regret building a Pietenpol. Ask any "old timer" at any obscure airport, and they all know a Piet. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Egan, John" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" > > Would anyone like to comment on the use of wood struts at the center > section of the wing (vertical struts from fuselage to the center wing > section)? Would ash work well for this, or an ash/plywood lamination, > or an ash to ash lamination to change the grain direction. I'm thinking > that the "originals" didn't use wood to keep the weight down. I'd like > to go with a Corvair to power this. Wood is easy for me to use as > opposed to fabricating from steel or aluminum, and I like the look of > wood. > > I recently found this web site, this is my first discussion, and I hope > to accelerate my build with your help. > ---- > This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. > ============================================================================ == > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:44 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" John I am using wood cabane struts on my new Piet. They are 2 plys of Douglas Fir with a 1/8" piece of plywood in center. On the ends of the cabanes I am using 4"x3/4" stainless steel to re-enforce the bolt holes. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Egan, John" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Pietenpol cabane struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" > > Would anyone like to comment on the use of wood struts at the center > section of the wing (vertical struts from fuselage to the center wing > section)? Would ash work well for this, or an ash/plywood lamination, > or an ash to ash lamination to change the grain direction. I'm thinking > that the "originals" didn't use wood to keep the weight down. I'd like > to go with a Corvair to power this. Wood is easy for me to use as > opposed to fabricating from steel or aluminum, and I like the look of > wood. > > I recently found this web site, this is my first discussion, and I hope > to accelerate my build with your help. > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in > error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail > and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. > ============================================================================== > > >