---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/23/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - overcast over Brodhead (Michael D Cuy) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (Phillips, Jack) 3. 06:45 AM - Dale and Greg's Air Camper (Michael D Cuy) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (Michael D Cuy) 5. 06:57 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (Christian Bobka) 6. 07:57 AM - Spruce supplier - OSH area (Textor, Jack) 7. 08:02 AM - Re: Mold (Roger Ford) 8. 08:51 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (Steve Eldredge) 9. 09:13 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 10. 10:08 AM - Re: overcast over Brodhead (Steve Eldredge) 11. 10:52 AM - Re: Spruce supplier - OSH area (Christian Bobka) 12. 05:35 PM - A-65 starting snafu (walt evans) 13. 08:36 PM - Re: A-65 starting snafu (Christian Bobka) 14. 08:44 PM - Wanted to buy: A Flying Piet (or Grega?) (Jeff Boatright) 15. 09:27 PM - Re: A-65 starting snafu (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:35 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil to fill you up a few times. What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an overcast over portions of the airport at Brodhead. I say if you got em', smoke em'. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Unfortunately, even though I have wired my electrical system for smoke, and have the fittings welded into the exhaust system, I have not yet installed my smoke system, so in that V formation I would have to be a "Silent Smoker". I do have a nice "Ah-Ooooga" horn, though. Jack Phillips Put another 3/4 hour on it last night, then got it into the hangar just as a thunderstorm hit. As Walt says, "Ain't life Grand!" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil to fill you up a few times. What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an overcast over portions of the airport at Brodhead. I say if you got em', smoke em'. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:35 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dale and Greg's Air Camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Greg--- So when do you and Dale get to fly your airplane ? You have to be anxious to do that I'd imagine. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:34 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead m> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jack-- that would be great with the Ooga horn. I had forgotten you installed that ! I think the least we should do too is circle the town of Brodhead and do some smoking and horn blowing. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:12 AM PST US d="scan'208"; a="1204045664:sNHT22957404" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Jack, It does not inspire confidence when you say you wired your electrical system for smoke. Electrical things work until you let the smoke out of them. chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > Unfortunately, even though I have wired my electrical system for smoke, > and have the fittings welded into the exhaust system, I have not yet > installed my smoke system, so in that V formation I would have to be a > "Silent Smoker". I do have a nice "Ah-Ooooga" horn, though. > > Jack Phillips > Put another 3/4 hour on it last night, then got it into the hangar just > as a thunderstorm hit. As Walt says, "Ain't life Grand!" > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil > to > fill you up a few times. > > What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road > trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly > in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an > overcast over portions of the airport at > Brodhead. > > I say if you got em', smoke em'. > > Mike C. > > (do not archive) > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce supplier - OSH area From: "Textor, Jack" Hi all, Planning to pick up some more spruce in my travels to Brodhead and OSH. I know of McCormick Lumber in Madison. I thought there was one in OSH but can't locate it in the archives or yellow pages. Can anyone assist? Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:51 AM PST US From: Roger Ford Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mold Hi all, I'm usually a lurker on this list while I think about whether or not to make the Pietenpol my next project. Anyway I have two comments on this thread that may be pertinent. First, I tried the finishing method that Gordon advocates on the gear leg of my Skypup and it worked extremely well (at least so far). I've also used spar varnish on the rest of the airframe and although it has worked satisfactorily, I like the epoxy finish much better and it seems much tougher. My second comment concerns the mold issue. I read an article in the old EAA "Experimenter" magazine a couple years ago that recommended treating aircraft wood (especially spruce) with Cuprinol even before gluing. It's supposed to stop fungus and rot in the lumber. I must confess that I haven't tried the approach as my little Skypup will always be kept indoors and hopefully dry! BTW I appreciate the group and the cooperative attitude of the members. The Piet is looking more and more attractive! Roger *Time: * *08:05:55 AM PST US* *From: * *"Gordon Bowen" * *Subject: * *Re: Mold* --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" Clif, Sorry, gotta disagree with you. You put shellac down first then an epoxy, you'll have the epoxy peeling off in nothin' flat. The FAA's Advisory Circulars AC 43.13-1B and 2A, have a good write up on how to preserve aircraft wood. The best I know of is a good marine grade epoxy. Dilute the mixed system with a little MEK or acetone, and spray or brush it on in a couple thin coats. Wait no more that a couple hours between coats. Marine grade epoxies have several additives that other grade epoxies don't have: a) generally they have an alcohol dilutent that is attracted to the moisture in the wood, thus a better bond, 2) a biocide additive that resists mold (or mould, dependin' on who's king's english you're usin', mate). Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B " But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion", John Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mold > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > The most moisture resistant of all is shellac. Use this > first then your choice of varnish or epoxy. > > Since a number of us have used Helmsman spar varnish > with good results that is my choice. > > If you decide to use shellac make sure it's FRESH! > > > Clif > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Esslinger" > > > > > > What kind of varnish are, did, you guys use on your Piets. I've had some > > uncovered wood for quite a while and probably ought to protect it. I > > assume > > you coat all of the wood. Is one coat sufficient? Any tips or tricks will > > be > > appreciated. > > Thanks, Dave > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Back in 99' I brought 5 gallons of smoke oil and left it there as a stockpile for future smokers..... I wonder what happened to it. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil to fill you up a few times. What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an overcast over portions of the airport at Brodhead. I say if you got em', smoke em'. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:24 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Steve, Was that that jug I was drinking from? No wonder I got the runs! Jack Textor Des Moines -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Back in 99' I brought 5 gallons of smoke oil and left it there as a stockpile for future smokers..... I wonder what happened to it. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil to fill you up a few times. What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an overcast over portions of the airport at Brodhead. I say if you got em', smoke em'. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Could be! It was 5 gallons of corvus oil. Reportedly the same stuff airshow use. Mine was a little heavier weight, but you couldn't tell in the air! In a blue 5 gallon pail I used about a gallon that year. I still have another pail in my hangar waiting for the time when I get the urge to smoke up the place again. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Textor, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" Steve, Was that that jug I was drinking from? No wonder I got the runs! Jack Textor Des Moines -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Back in 99' I brought 5 gallons of smoke oil and left it there as a stockpile for future smokers..... I wonder what happened to it. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: overcast over Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Thanks for the kind offer Chuck. I wish I could carry enough smoke oil to fill you up a few times. What I do is fill empty Aeroshell oil bottles with smoke oil for 'road trips'. I think if you, Jack, and myself fly in a V formation with the smoke on, we could create somewhat of an overcast over portions of the airport at Brodhead. I say if you got em', smoke em'. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:37 AM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1031502293:sNHT39782792" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce supplier - OSH area Jack, There was a place in Oshkosh that was a lumber yard that sold spruce. They advertised in Sport aviation in the classifieds about 5-10 years ago and even maybe more recently. Let me look... Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Textor, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce supplier - OSH area Hi all, Planning to pick up some more spruce in my travels to Brodhead and OSH. I know of McCormick Lumber in Madison. I thought there was one in OSH but can't locate it in the archives or yellow pages. Can anyone assist? Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:14 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Need some input on starting a warm A-65. This is the first time this season that I flew on a warm evening. Usually I have my starting sequence that works pretty good, but today I flew and it sat idle in the 80 deg weather. Went to pull it and nothing. Like it was instantly flooded. Did have the throttle closed. I had progressed from the cold mornings where I gave it two primes, pulled thru 6 tips with switch off. And it would start on first flip. Then to warmer AM's with one prime,,,,, Then now with no primes, just pull thru 4 tips with switch off and it will go. But with it hot tonite,,,it just didn't fire. Any help?? thanks walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:34 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="399815185:sNHT21593352" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Walt, Tie it down. Have a good man in the cockpit. Have him open the throttle fully with the magnetos off. Pull the prop through slowly backwards. This will inhale air through the exhausts and exhale it out the carb so as to lean out the mixture. Don't worry about the mags firing as it is impossible for them to fire if they rotate backwards. After cleaning out the cylinders with 4 to 8 180 degree rotations, go to throttle closed, slowly reposition the balde to the 10:30 position. Then Mags on, throttle cracked, and it will start on the next flip. This is the same procedure to use for a flooded engine at any temperature. chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Need some input on starting a warm A-65. This is the first time this season that I flew on a warm evening. Usually I have my starting sequence that works pretty good, but today I flew and it sat idle in the 80 deg weather. Went to pull it and nothing. Like it was instantly flooded. Did have the throttle closed. I had progressed from the cold mornings where I gave it two primes, pulled thru 6 tips with switch off. And it would start on first flip. Then to warmer AM's with one prime,,,,, Then now with no primes, just pull thru 4 tips with switch off and it will go. But with it hot tonite,,,it just didn't fire. Any help?? thanks walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:55 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wanted to buy: A Flying Piet (or Grega?) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright Piet Posters, I missed out on the Younkin Piet, but I'm still looking for a completed Pietenpol to fly while I'm building my Davis. Does anyone know of good examples for sale other than at Trade-a-Plane, ebay, or Barnstormers? (I have those covered). I'm in Atlanta, but might go far afield for the right one. Also, what are the differences between a Piet and a Grega? Should a Grega be avoided? I'm not looking to start a turf war, so if you have things to say that may upset owners of either type, please email me directly at jboatri@emory.edu Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:48 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Mine has also been acting a bit differently in this warm air. I have always cracked the throttle open a half inch, mags off, three shots on the prime, pull thru six times and then mags on and she firees right up. This last couple of times it has started hard. So I went over tonight and removed all spark plugs for sandblasting. Maybe I need a new method for hot weather also. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Need some input on starting a warm A-65. This is the first time this season that I flew on a warm evening. Usually I have my starting sequence that works pretty good, but today I flew and it sat idle in the 80 deg weather. Went to pull it and nothing. Like it was instantly flooded. Did have the throttle closed. I had progressed from the cold mornings where I gave it two primes, pulled thru 6 tips with switch off. And it would start on first flip. Then to warmer AM's with one prime,,,,, Then now with no primes, just pull thru 4 tips with switch off and it will go. But with it hot tonite,,,it just didn't fire. Any help?? thanks walt evans NX140DL