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1. 07:04 AM - Japanese Piet's in progress (M&M Stanley)
2. 07:25 AM - Re:Wanted to buy Piet or Grega (Cinda Gadd)
3. 11:36 AM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Christian Bobka)
4. 12:07 PM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Jim Markle)
5. 12:16 PM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Christian Bobka)
6. 01:00 PM - Fw: A-65 starting snafu (Christian Bobka)
7. 02:41 PM - Re: A-65 starting snafu (walt evans)
8. 02:56 PM - Bavarians are out to lunch (Christian Bobka)
9. 05:00 PM - Flitzed! (Gordon Bowen)
10. 05:44 PM - What a great weekend (walt evans)
11. 06:06 PM - Pietenpol for MS Flight simulator 2004 (Ben Charvet)
12. 06:24 PM - Re: Japanese Piet's in progress (Dick Navratil)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Dick Navratil)
14. 07:35 PM - Metal parts (TBYH@aol.com)
15. 08:47 PM - Re; Japanese Piets in progress (M&M Stanley)
16. 09:56 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 10:02 PM - Re: Metal parts (Peter W Johnson)
18. 10:17 PM - Re: Wing Construction (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
19. 10:24 PM - Re: Japanese Piet's in progress (Christian Bobka)
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| Subject: | Japanese Piet's in progress |
Hi Pieters,
Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita)
is in the front seat and I am in the rear.
We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would
send the group a shot.
It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version.
My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have
completed 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single
forward rib for the center section.
The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my
collection.
I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that,
then I will start on the fin/rudder etc.
Mark Stanley
in hot'n'humid Japan
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| Subject: | Re:Wanted to buy Piet or Grega |
Jeff,
I believe Bob Barrows, the designer of the Bearhawk, still has his A model Piet
for sale.
Short fuselage, red and silver, no brakes, tail skid, wire wheels with straight
axle, empty weight 630. The A has pressure lube and aluminum head. The aircraft
had 80 hours(as of the last time I talked to him, at Sun n Fun).
He is asking 12K, and is located at Fincastle VA.
Call Bob with questions, 540 473-3661.
Larry Williams had his VERY nice A model Piet in Trade-a-Plane a few months ago.
Skip ... still watching my Piet fuselage fly, 5 feet below the hangar ceiling.
I'm still looking for a
completed Pietenpol to fly while I'm building my Davis. Does anyone
know of good examples for sale other than at Trade-a-Plane, ebay, or
Barnstormers? (I have those covered). I'm in Atlanta, but might go
far afield for the right one.
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| Subject: | Re: Seminars at Brodhead? |
I already did a powdercoating presentation at Brodhead. Does anybody remember?
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead?
I've been to some really interesting presentations by Vi Kapler and William Wynne
at Brodhead......those were fun.
So I'm wondering if there be any interest is seeing vacuum bagging, powdercoating,
streamling wood legs or struts with a router, or some such thing at Brodhead?
Maybe someone could setup a metal cutting bandsaw and a grinder and sander and
give some step by step pointers on building the metal parts?
(I personally think some hands on welding help by someone who knew what they
were doing (CERTAINLY not me..) would be really neat.)
Let's get one thing clear though....I'm certainly not pretending to be any kind
of expert on any of this. But I would be glad to maybe point out a few easy
ways to do some stuff (finding easy ways is my specialty) and maybe some mistakes
to avoid (I've made them ALL already...)
Anyway, I wouldn't mind bringing a vacuum bagging setup or my powder coating
setup or whatever, if there would be any interest.
Jim in Plano
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| Subject: | Re: Seminars at Brodhead? |
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| Subject: | Re: Seminars at Brodhead? |
Gar Williams provided the air compressor. I will find his email address and forward
to you.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I'm betting all who were in attendance (wish I was there!) will remember your
presentation, Chris!
There has been a lot of interest offline and online so I'm planning on seeing
if I can come up with something.
So someone out there needs to clean up some metal parts so I'll have something
to powder coat or get some wood together so I'll have something to laminate
(vacuum bag). Maybe a wing tip bow made up of laminated 1/4" pieces or whatever.....
Let me know....
Jim in Plano
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka
Sent: Jun 26, 2005 1:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead?
I already did a powdercoating presentation at Brodhead. Does anybody remember?
Chris
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| Subject: | A-65 starting snafu |
Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down
or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie,
which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built
in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport'
became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can mean
'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of
Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old
fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' !
It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services.
It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom jet
fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly
or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it won't
let go!
Cheers,
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 starting snafu |
I flew last evening in perfect weather.
nicht ist das Leben gro=DFartig?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu
Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down
or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie,
which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built
in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport'
became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can
mean 'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of
Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old
fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' !
It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services.
It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom
jet fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly
or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it
won't let go!
Cheers,
Lynn
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| Subject: | Bavarians are out to lunch |
From: Thies Eisele
Subject: Re: Even funnier.....
A Mong Sport, interesting...
all that Bavarian translation stuff was very funny. Basic problem is (and was later
hinted at) it's Bavarian, not German. Under the false assumption that Bavarian
is a mere dialect (in fact some of us consider it a serious illness) of
German, they just had to get it wrong...
VBW, Thies
Christian Bobka schrieb:
Here he thinks it is a Mong Sport!
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: <TRichmo9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com
i have one of those cute little bipes its a mong sport its awsome
--
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OK Chris, I give up. Flitzer means something more meaningful than a bad batch
of Bavarian Hops destined to make bad batches of Bud Beer. Although the Flying
Flitzer shown in at the website, looks a heck of a lot like the Flying Hops
Bollweevel, believed to cause much damage to good Hallertau hops.
Austrialia's Foster's taking over Miller Brewing maybe we'll not be importing flizers
(sml f) of bad hops.
But--------- Ain't no "R" in Baumeister or building master. Drank enough Lowenbrau
and Spatenbrau to believe "brau" is brew, egro brewingmaster- Braumeister.
So perhaps you're better described as:
"DerFliegeneFlitzerFlugzeugBauMeisterUndInspectorDerFliegeneFlitzerFlugzeugMotoren",
Esq.
Where's our spelling and grammar inspectors when we need them.
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu
Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down
or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie,
which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built
in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport'
became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can
mean 'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of
Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old
fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' !
It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services.
It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom
jet fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly
or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it
won't let go!
Cheers,
Lynn
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| Subject: | What a great weekend |
This weekend,,,yesterday in the AM flew over a friend at work's house, and he got
some shots from the ground.
Then this evening, took two different people for rides around the area. Over the
abandoned limestone quarry, over the minor league stadium to see a hit and
him running to first, then over Paulinskill lake. and on to a flyby of Trinca
airport.
Two rides 1 1/4 hour.
Great evening priceless
Ain't Life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Pietenpol for MS Flight simulator 2004 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Hi all,
I found this link to the Pietenpol for FS2004 and thought it should be
archived under a title that would be searchable. I've downloaded it and
played with it a little. I'd be interested to know if any of you with a
finished and flying Pietenpol could comment on how realistic it is. The
sim version really leaps off the ground and I wasn't expecting that type
of performance.
Ben
ribs and most of fuselage carpentry complete
Michael Conkling wrote:
> We did a rework of the gallery about 1 1/2 years ago -- we've been
> running Microsoft FS2004 since then with the Piet on one sim.
> station & a Lear 45 on the other station in that exhibit. You can
> download the Piet at http://www.theoldhangar.com/ -- look for the
> "Grand Opening Special" -- I'll have to adjust the settings and get
> the rudder bar ready for a future visit!! (the control yoke
> will probably stay -- it's survived 4 years of use!! ;-)
>
> Mike C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Japanese Piet's in progress |
Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there. It should make for an interesting
story on your flight to Broadhead (just kidding).
Keep building and welcome to the group.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: M&M Stanley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress
Hi Pieters,
Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is
in the front seat and I am in the rear.
We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would
send the group a shot.
It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version.
My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed
30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward rib
for the center section.
The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection.
I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then
I will start on the fin/rudder etc.
Mark Stanley
in hot'n'humid Japan
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Chris
If you are building a 3 piece wing, a couple of saw horses is just fine. However,
for a 1 piece wing you may want something more stable. I built a rotating
table that would carry the entire wing and I could flip it to work on the top
or bottom.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesign
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction
What kind of fixture is most often used to build the wings on. Do I need a solid
table or would a couple of good saw horses supporting the spars work (One
on each end and one or two in the middle)
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
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Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has, but...do
folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild steel, or 12
gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130 nowadays, and
if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that could be posted
giving thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the control sticks and
torque tube?
Only a month to Brodhead!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re; Japanese Piets in progress |
Hi Dick,
> 'Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there.'
Thanks for the good comments, I will pass them along to the owner/builder,
(T.Mita), he will be happy.
Hmmm.......perhaps if we put my wing on his fuselage, we could go "cross
COUNTRY" a bit sooner !!
Thanks & safe flying !
Mark Stanley
still in hot'n'humid Japan
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
In a message dated 6/26/2005 12:18:13 AM Central Standard Time,
catdesign@intergate.com writes:
What kind of fixture is most often used to build the wings on. Do I need a
solid table or would a couple of good saw horses supporting the spars work (One
on each end and one or two in the middle)
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Chris,
I built my one piece wing in my house. Made for quite a conversation piece
!! It went down through the living room, dining room, and out the back door
into the enclosed in back porch. I made a jig to support the wing in a vertical
attitude, leading edge down, to about 6" off the floor. Initially, the 4
jigs (made from 1 X 4's) supported the wing by the spars, with two vertical
pieces and two cross pieces that the spars rested on, while I slid the ribs on.
Squared & straightened everything up, and glued the ribs on, finished the
ailerons, hardware, and rigging. Then I made 4 other jigs to support the wing
by
the hard points at the cabane struts and lift struts. This allowed me to do all
the fabric and paint work. It worked out very well because I had access to
the top and bottom of the wing, working in a climate controlled
environment...air-condition in the summer and heat in the winter. It took me a
year to build
and complete it, working on it as much as I could, every single day. The
wing was 100 % complete, when we carried it out the front door, and built a jig
on the trailer to haul it to the airport. That day was one of those milestones
!!
Chuck G.
Flew for an hour this evening in gusty wind, but down the runway.
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Fred.
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/> . I have a
list of steel parts I used for my Piet. Its under "Material Lists"
Cheers
Peter.
Wonthaggi, Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TBYH@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts
Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has,
but...do folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild
steel, or 12 gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130
nowadays, and if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that
could be posted giving thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the
control sticks and torque tube?
Only a month to Brodhead!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I am building a 3 piece wing and a couple of saw horses worked fine. A
3rd. saw horse was used to support the center section. I built my wing
off of the center section so that I would know that it was going to bolt
up . Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: Japanese Piet's in progress |
Dick,
Don;t kid around. Those Japanese aircraft during the big one had good range.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress
Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there. It should make for an interesting
story on your flight to Broadhead (just kidding).
Keep building and welcome to the group.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: M&M Stanley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress
Hi Pieters,
Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita)
is in the front seat and I am in the rear.
We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would
send the group a shot.
It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version.
My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed
30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward
rib for the center section.
The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection.
I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that,
then I will start on the fin/rudder etc.
Mark Stanley
in hot'n'humid Japan
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