---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/26/05: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 AM - Japanese Piet's in progress (M&M Stanley) 2. 07:25 AM - Re:Wanted to buy Piet or Grega (Cinda Gadd) 3. 11:36 AM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Christian Bobka) 4. 12:07 PM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Jim Markle) 5. 12:16 PM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (Christian Bobka) 6. 01:00 PM - Fw: A-65 starting snafu (Christian Bobka) 7. 02:41 PM - Re: A-65 starting snafu (walt evans) 8. 02:56 PM - Bavarians are out to lunch (Christian Bobka) 9. 05:00 PM - Flitzed! (Gordon Bowen) 10. 05:44 PM - What a great weekend (walt evans) 11. 06:06 PM - Pietenpol for MS Flight simulator 2004 (Ben Charvet) 12. 06:24 PM - Re: Japanese Piet's in progress (Dick Navratil) 13. 06:29 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Dick Navratil) 14. 07:35 PM - Metal parts (TBYH@aol.com) 15. 08:47 PM - Re; Japanese Piets in progress (M&M Stanley) 16. 09:56 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Rcaprd@aol.com) 17. 10:02 PM - Re: Metal parts (Peter W Johnson) 18. 10:17 PM - Re: Wing Construction (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 19. 10:24 PM - Re: Japanese Piet's in progress (Christian Bobka) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:00 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Hi Pieters, Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is in the front seat and I am in the rear. We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would send the group a shot. It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version. My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward rib for the center section. The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection. I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then I will start on the fin/rudder etc. Mark Stanley in hot'n'humid Japan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:10 AM PST US s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MovfosDbYWG6LUTisVxyCKDWBeejTt7FT6fHz4KLwBU7TCTjvpOoDPlODvkQEXO7; From: "Cinda Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Wanted to buy Piet or Grega Jeff, I believe Bob Barrows, the designer of the Bearhawk, still has his A model Piet for sale. Short fuselage, red and silver, no brakes, tail skid, wire wheels with straight axle, empty weight 630. The A has pressure lube and aluminum head. The aircraft had 80 hours(as of the last time I talked to him, at Sun n Fun). He is asking 12K, and is located at Fincastle VA. Call Bob with questions, 540 473-3661. Larry Williams had his VERY nice A model Piet in Trade-a-Plane a few months ago. Skip ... still watching my Piet fuselage fly, 5 feet below the hangar ceiling. I'm still looking for a completed Pietenpol to fly while I'm building my Davis. Does anyone know of good examples for sale other than at Trade-a-Plane, ebay, or Barnstormers? (I have those covered). I'm in Atlanta, but might go far afield for the right one. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:39 AM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1201867327:sNHT23464992" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? I already did a powdercoating presentation at Brodhead. Does anybody remember? Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? I've been to some really interesting presentations by Vi Kapler and William Wynne at Brodhead......those were fun. So I'm wondering if there be any interest is seeing vacuum bagging, powdercoating, streamling wood legs or struts with a router, or some such thing at Brodhead? Maybe someone could setup a metal cutting bandsaw and a grinder and sander and give some step by step pointers on building the metal parts? (I personally think some hands on welding help by someone who knew what they were doing (CERTAINLY not me..) would be really neat.) Let's get one thing clear though....I'm certainly not pretending to be any kind of expert on any of this. But I would be glad to maybe point out a few easy ways to do some stuff (finding easy ways is my specialty) and maybe some mistakes to avoid (I've made them ALL already...) Anyway, I wouldn't mind bringing a vacuum bagging setup or my powder coating setup or whatever, if there would be any interest. Jim in Plano ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:11 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:35 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1043032465:sNHT21672888" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? Gar Williams provided the air compressor. I will find his email address and forward to you. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I'm betting all who were in attendance (wish I was there!) will remember your presentation, Chris! There has been a lot of interest offline and online so I'm planning on seeing if I can come up with something. So someone out there needs to clean up some metal parts so I'll have something to powder coat or get some wood together so I'll have something to laminate (vacuum bag). Maybe a wing tip bow made up of laminated 1/4" pieces or whatever..... Let me know.... Jim in Plano -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Jun 26, 2005 1:38 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? I already did a powdercoating presentation at Brodhead. Does anybody remember? Chris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:19 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1175877929:sNHT24920412" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie, which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport' became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can mean 'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' ! It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services. It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom jet fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it won't let go! Cheers, Lynn ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:51 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu I flew last evening in perfect weather. nicht ist das Leben gro=DFartig? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie, which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport' became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can mean 'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' ! It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services. It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom jet fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it won't let go! Cheers, Lynn ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:12 PM PST US d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147"; a="1230467990:sNHT131713426" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bavarians are out to lunch From: Thies Eisele Subject: Re: Even funnier..... A Mong Sport, interesting... all that Bavarian translation stuff was very funny. Basic problem is (and was later hinted at) it's Bavarian, not German. Under the false assumption that Bavarian is a mere dialect (in fact some of us consider it a serious illness) of German, they just had to get it wrong... VBW, Thies Christian Bobka schrieb: Here he thinks it is a Mong Sport! Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com i have one of those cute little bipes its a mong sport its awsome -- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:43 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flitzed! OK Chris, I give up. Flitzer means something more meaningful than a bad batch of Bavarian Hops destined to make bad batches of Bud Beer. Although the Flying Flitzer shown in at the website, looks a heck of a lot like the Flying Hops Bollweevel, believed to cause much damage to good Hallertau hops. Austrialia's Foster's taking over Miller Brewing maybe we'll not be importing flizers (sml f) of bad hops. But--------- Ain't no "R" in Baumeister or building master. Drank enough Lowenbrau and Spatenbrau to believe "brau" is brew, egro brewingmaster- Braumeister. So perhaps you're better described as: "DerFliegeneFlitzerFlugzeugBauMeisterUndInspectorDerFliegeneFlitzerFlugzeugMotoren", Esq. Where's our spelling and grammar inspectors when we need them. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu Yep, it also means Speedster, as in Flivver (like a Jeep or a fast, stripped-down or 'homebuilt car') and was also applied semi-officially to the BMW Dixie, which was a sport version of the Austin Seven open sport model, licence-built in Germany in the late 1920s. It came to mean 'Streaker' too when that 'sport' became popular from the 1960s, so the Stummelflitzer, (Clipped Flitzer) can mean 'Stumpy Streaker' which got some rib-aching laughter response from two of Gerard's client's a while back, when he told them what he was building: an old fashioned airplane called a 'Fat Streaker' ! It was also applied to fast motorcycles, or quick courier services. It also means Madcap, or something frenetic. The Focke-Wulf Flitzer twin boom jet fighter was so-named. Thies translates it as 'Speedster', but a biting fly or mosquito is appropriate if there's one on the tail of your Minimax and it won't let go! Cheers, Lynn ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:33 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a great weekend This weekend,,,yesterday in the AM flew over a friend at work's house, and he got some shots from the ground. Then this evening, took two different people for rides around the area. Over the abandoned limestone quarry, over the minor league stadium to see a hit and him running to first, then over Paulinskill lake. and on to a flyby of Trinca airport. Two rides 1 1/4 hour. Great evening priceless Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:25 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for MS Flight simulator 2004 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet Hi all, I found this link to the Pietenpol for FS2004 and thought it should be archived under a title that would be searchable. I've downloaded it and played with it a little. I'd be interested to know if any of you with a finished and flying Pietenpol could comment on how realistic it is. The sim version really leaps off the ground and I wasn't expecting that type of performance. Ben ribs and most of fuselage carpentry complete Michael Conkling wrote: > We did a rework of the gallery about 1 1/2 years ago -- we've been > running Microsoft FS2004 since then with the Piet on one sim. > station & a Lear 45 on the other station in that exhibit. You can > download the Piet at http://www.theoldhangar.com/ -- look for the > "Grand Opening Special" -- I'll have to adjust the settings and get > the rudder bar ready for a future visit!! (the control yoke > will probably stay -- it's survived 4 years of use!! ;-) > > Mike C. > Pretty Prairie, KS ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:34 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there. It should make for an interesting story on your flight to Broadhead (just kidding). Keep building and welcome to the group. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: M&M Stanley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Hi Pieters, Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is in the front seat and I am in the rear. We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would send the group a shot. It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version. My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward rib for the center section. The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection. I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then I will start on the fin/rudder etc. Mark Stanley in hot'n'humid Japan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:35 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction Chris If you are building a 3 piece wing, a couple of saw horses is just fine. However, for a 1 piece wing you may want something more stable. I built a rotating table that would carry the entire wing and I could flip it to work on the top or bottom. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Catdesign To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction What kind of fixture is most often used to build the wings on. Do I need a solid table or would a couple of good saw horses supporting the spars work (One on each end and one or two in the middle) Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 PM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has, but...do folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild steel, or 12 gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130 nowadays, and if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that could be posted giving thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the control sticks and torque tube? Only a month to Brodhead! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:35 PM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re; Japanese Piets in progress Hi Dick, > 'Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there.' Thanks for the good comments, I will pass them along to the owner/builder, (T.Mita), he will be happy. Hmmm.......perhaps if we put my wing on his fuselage, we could go "cross COUNTRY" a bit sooner !! Thanks & safe flying ! Mark Stanley still in hot'n'humid Japan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:12 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction In a message dated 6/26/2005 12:18:13 AM Central Standard Time, catdesign@intergate.com writes: What kind of fixture is most often used to build the wings on. Do I need a solid table or would a couple of good saw horses supporting the spars work (One on each end and one or two in the middle) Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Chris, I built my one piece wing in my house. Made for quite a conversation piece !! It went down through the living room, dining room, and out the back door into the enclosed in back porch. I made a jig to support the wing in a vertical attitude, leading edge down, to about 6" off the floor. Initially, the 4 jigs (made from 1 X 4's) supported the wing by the spars, with two vertical pieces and two cross pieces that the spars rested on, while I slid the ribs on. Squared & straightened everything up, and glued the ribs on, finished the ailerons, hardware, and rigging. Then I made 4 other jigs to support the wing by the hard points at the cabane struts and lift struts. This allowed me to do all the fabric and paint work. It worked out very well because I had access to the top and bottom of the wing, working in a climate controlled environment...air-condition in the summer and heat in the winter. It took me a year to build and complete it, working on it as much as I could, every single day. The wing was 100 % complete, when we carried it out the front door, and built a jig on the trailer to haul it to the airport. That day was one of those milestones !! Chuck G. Flew for an hour this evening in gusty wind, but down the runway. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:31 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts Fred. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com . I have a list of steel parts I used for my Piet. Its under "Material Lists" Cheers Peter. Wonthaggi, Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has, but...do folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild steel, or 12 gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130 nowadays, and if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that could be posted giving thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the control sticks and torque tube? Only a month to Brodhead! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:17 PM PST US ETAtAhR5ySlvVR5UcWxf7kcsudRcVir1IwIVAKl1/OeRDYq+GuACfLegVJV79sl0 From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) I am building a 3 piece wing and a couple of saw horses worked fine. A 3rd. saw horse was used to support the center section. I built my wing off of the center section so that I would know that it was going to bolt up . Leon S. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:38 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1176709528:sNHT23457072" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Dick, Don;t kid around. Those Japanese aircraft during the big one had good range. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Thats a mighty fine looking project youve got there. It should make for an interesting story on your flight to Broadhead (just kidding). Keep building and welcome to the group. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: M&M Stanley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Hi Pieters, Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is in the front seat and I am in the rear. We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would send the group a shot. It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version. My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward rib for the center section. The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection. I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then I will start on the fin/rudder etc. Mark Stanley in hot'n'humid Japan