---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/27/05: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: A-65 starting snafu (Ed G.) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Japanese Piets (M&M Stanley) 3. 07:30 AM - Plans available at Oshkosh? (Michael Turrell) 4. 08:41 AM - Re: Plans available at Oshkosh? (Dick Navratil) 5. 08:42 AM - seminar on rigging (Michael D Cuy) 6. 08:52 AM - 75 Anniversary Hats () 7. 10:26 AM - Re: Japanese Piet's in progress (Steve Eldredge) 8. 12:40 PM - Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (Gordon Bowen) 9. 12:50 PM - A-65 starter (walt evans) 10. 03:08 PM - Re: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (Dave and Connie) 11. 03:42 PM - Re: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (TRichmo9@aol.com) 12. 03:42 PM - Re: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (TRichmo9@aol.com) 13. 03:45 PM - broadhead (TRichmo9@aol.com) 14. 03:57 PM - Re: A-65 starter (Christian Bobka) 15. 04:02 PM - Re: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (Christian Bobka) 16. 04:17 PM - Re: seminar on rigging (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 17. 06:06 PM - Re: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes (Gordon Bowen) 18. 07:38 PM - Re: Seminars at Brodhead? (john e fay) 19. 10:51 PM - Wing question (Catdesign) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:11 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." >From: Rcaprd@aol.com >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starting snafu >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:32:44 EDT > >In a message dated 6/23/2005 10:37:40 PM Central Standard Time, >sbobka@charter.net writes: >Walt, > >Tie it down. Have a good man in the cockpit. Have him open the throttle >fully with the magnetos off. Pull the prop through slowly backwards. This >will >inhale air through the exhausts and exhale it out the carb so as to lean >out >the mixture. Don't worry about the mags firing as it is impossible for >them to >fire if they rotate backwards. After cleaning out the cylinders with 4 to >8 >180 degree rotations, go to throttle closed, slowly reposition the balde to >the 10:30 position. Then Mags on, throttle cracked, and it will start on >the >next flip. This is the same procedure to use for a flooded engine at any >temperature. > >chris >Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren >This is the exact method that a guy on the south side of Kansas City showed >me in '03, on my return trip from Brodhead. Worked like a charm. It was >hot >that day, and it wouldn't fire at all, untill we used this method. >I don't have a primer...if it ain't there, it can't break. My engine seems >to start better in the warmer weather...most of the time. > >Chris, >I've been wondering what 'Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und >Flitzermotoren' means. > >Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:31 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Japanese Piets Hi Chris, Yep, the report go's, ............... "Unidentified square wing tipped aircraft with red circles under the wings spotted at 45,000 ft over Brodhead ".............. Thanks for the comments! Mark Stanley Japan Dick, Don;t kid around. Those Japanese aircraft during the big one had good range. Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:11 AM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans available at Oshkosh? Hello everyone,wonderful site you all have here.Can anyone tell me if plans for the Piet are available at Oshkosh as it would save me a few Canadian dollars.Thanks. Windsor Mike ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:28 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans available at Oshkosh? I am not aware of anyone selling plans at OSH. The best source is from Donald Pietenpol directly, by mail. Last year at OSH they were working on a set of wings for a Piet in the wood tent. They may still be this year also. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans available at Oshkosh? Hello everyone,wonderful site you all have here.Can anyone tell me if plans for the Piet are available at Oshkosh as it would save me a few Canadian dollars.Thanks. Windsor Mike ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:24 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging om><009201c579f5$3fbfa5c0$57c5fea9@ mke> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy It would be nice to have someone present the proper rigging procedures for Pietenpols for guys who might be EAA Technical Counselors tutoring builders in their area. (or for builders directly. Jack Phillips comes to mind, but he'll be quite busy answering questions about his beautiful new airplane. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75 Anniversary Hats Here is the info on the hats, sorry to many of you who this will be a repeat from last year. If the images don't make it, They will be on the photoshare soon. Or email me off line and I'll send them to you. Steve E. On the back and Low and Slow on the front. This edition will be done in Gold thread. I've got the same hat shells as last time, but with some added colors. Black seemed to be the most popular front bill size and so I ordered most in black. I do have a dozen each of the Green, Red, and Yellow Gold however Here is the specs and pricing: The Hat: Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a green, red, black or gold bill. (sorry no blue this time....) One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called the manufacture and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable and comfortable. The Image: The 75 year anniversary image will be similar to the one on previous years hats, but this one has a Gold "75 YRS" on the front. I think it is really cool. Check the web site if you want to see the revised image. http://aircamper.byu.edu The embroidery: 13000 stitches of the finest thread. 75 Years in Gold thread The price $20 with standard message on the back "Cherry Grove -75- Brodhead" Free Shipping!!! Send me an email including details and your Phone # to: steve@byu.edu Check or paypal OK. Paypal address is wifeopilot@sfcn.org Checks go to: Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork UT 84660 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress From: "Steve Eldredge" Kirei na Pietenpol. Mita-san Gokurosama desu! Mo sugu tobu to omoimas! Steve E ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of M&M Stanley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Japanese Piet's in progress Hi Pieters, Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is in the front seat and I am in the rear. We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I would send the group a shot. It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version. My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have completed 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forward rib for the center section. The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collection. I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then I will start on the fin/rudder etc. Mark Stanley in hot'n'humid Japan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:51 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Bowen Subject: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Group I need new brake linings on these wheels ca. 1941 detailed below. Does anybody know for a source for replacement linings that one can rivet in? They're about 1 1/2" wide and encircle the inside of these wheel/brake drum combos, brass riveted in place. The actual "shoes" are steel and expand outward using pull cables to make contact with the pads. I suspect this was a WWII setup whereby the rubber and brake pads could be quickly changed, by simply taking off the axle nut, removing complete assembly sans metal brake shoes that are bolted on the axles internal flange. Gotta think other ole timers like the Piet used this type of mechanical brake system, buy don't know what type of aircraft they originally came from. Any help would be appreciated. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Jackson Subject: Piet Wheels Shinn Device Co. Butler PA. Model, # 6C 5HB ATC 63 MAX WT. 900 lb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:11 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starter Has anyone heard of or seen anyone retrofitting an A-65 with an electric starter? walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:21 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes From the Taylorcraft club page: Shinn Wheel & Brake parts SkyBound, Atlanta Georgia Shinn Wheels, brakes, cables, backing plates. Jim Greene (owner) 770-446-6797 Shinn brakes were used on Taylorcrafts and Luscombes. About the only special tool that you will need is a rivet countersink. Last set of shoes that I bought was about $30 I think. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 03:39 PM 6/27/2005, Gordon Bowen wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gordon Bowen >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:35 AM >Subject: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes > >Group >I need new brake linings on these wheels ca. 1941 detailed below. Does >anybody know for a source for replacement linings that one can rivet >in? They're about 1 1/2" wide and encircle the inside of these >wheel/brake drum combos, brass riveted in place. The actual "shoes" are >steel and expand outward using pull cables to make contact with the >pads. I suspect this was a WWII setup whereby the rubber and brake pads >could be quickly changed, by simply taking off the axle nut, removing >complete assembly sans metal brake shoes that are bolted on the axles >internal flange. Gotta think other ole timers like the Piet used this >type of mechanical brake system, buy don't know what type of aircraft they >originally came from. Any help would be appreciated. >Gordon Bowen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Floyd Jackson >To: Gordon Bowen >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:52 AM >Subject: Piet Wheels > >Shinn Device Co. >Butler PA. >Model, # 6C 5HB >ATC 63 >MAX WT. 900 lb > > >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:05 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:06 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:09 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: broadhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com hey hey im going ill get to meet all you sky bandits that will be there im fly up to madison and jim markle is picking me up at the airport, i can hardly wait and im going to try bumming a ride in a piet tom ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:51 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1184851270:sNHT61798134" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starter Walt, A65-9 Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starter Has anyone heard of or seen anyone retrofitting an A-65 with an electric starter? walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:18 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1205178034:sNHT23491900" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Gordon, It is a tough job to do the linings correctly. I would consider sending the inner wheel halves to Skybound and have them do the relining. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave and Connie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes From the Taylorcraft club page: Shinn Wheel & Brake parts SkyBound, Atlanta Georgia Shinn Wheels, brakes, cables, backing plates. Jim Greene (owner) 770-446-6797 Shinn brakes were used on Taylorcrafts and Luscombes. About the only special tool that you will need is a rivet countersink. Last set of shoes that I bought was about $30 I think. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 03:39 PM 6/27/2005, Gordon Bowen wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Bowen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Group I need new brake linings on these wheels ca. 1941 detailed below. Does anybody know for a source for replacement linings that one can rivet in? They're about 1 1/2" wide and encircle the inside of these wheel/brake drum combos, brass riveted in place. The actual "shoes" are steel and expand outward using pull cables to make contact with the pads. I suspect this was a WWII setup whereby the rubber and brake pads could be quickly changed, by simply taking off the axle nut, removing complete assembly sans metal brake shoes that are bolted on the axles internal flange. Gotta think other ole timers like the Piet used this type of mechanical brake system, buy don't know what type of aircraft they originally came from. Any help would be appreciated. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Jackson To: Gordon Bowen Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Piet Wheels Shinn Device Co. Butler PA. Model, # 6C 5HB ATC 63 MAX WT. 900 lb -- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:44 PM PST US s=dk20050327; d=usmo.com; b=DDnGChtg9qf+vBImwL3nAseCb5/uMEurIA1g5YbKeSuECyqjqTUDBnR5PU+LC+Cw; From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" How about someone doing a seminar or jigging up a landing gear. The steel split gear preferably? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > It would be nice to have someone present the proper rigging procedures for > Pietenpols for guys who might > be EAA Technical Counselors tutoring builders in their area. (or for > builders directly. Jack Phillips comes to > mind, but he'll be quite busy answering questions about his beautiful new > airplane. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:58 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Thanks for help and quick response, great group with a wealth of experience/information. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Gordon, It is a tough job to do the linings correctly. I would consider sending the inner wheel halves to Skybound and have them do the relining. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave and Connie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes From the Taylorcraft club page: Shinn Wheel & Brake parts SkyBound, Atlanta Georgia Shinn Wheels, brakes, cables, backing plates. Jim Greene (owner) 770-446-6797 Shinn brakes were used on Taylorcrafts and Luscombes. About the only special tool that you will need is a rivet countersink. Last set of shoes that I bought was about $30 I think. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 03:39 PM 6/27/2005, Gordon Bowen wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Bowen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Fw: Piet Wheels/brakes Group I need new brake linings on these wheels ca. 1941 detailed below. Does anybody know for a source for replacement linings that one can rivet in? They're about 1 1/2" wide and encircle the inside of these wheel/brake drum combos, brass riveted in place. The actual "shoes" are steel and expand outward using pull cables to make contact with the pads. I suspect this was a WWII setup whereby the rubber and brake pads could be quickly changed, by simply taking off the axle nut, removing complete assembly sans metal brake shoes that are bolted on the axles internal flange. Gotta think other ole timers like the Piet used this type of mechanical brake system, buy don't know what type of aircraft they originally came from. Any help would be appreciated. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Jackson To: Gordon Bowen Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Piet Wheels Shinn Device Co. Butler PA. Model, # 6C 5HB ATC 63 MAX WT. 900 lb -- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seminars at Brodhead? From: john e fay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay The seminar I would love to see at Brodhead would be someone showing how to make some of the metal parts, and giving appropriate tips and warnings. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:07 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there. After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not an option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's out too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca