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     1. 04:09 AM - Re: Wing question (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
     2. 04:44 AM - Re: Wing question (Ed G.)
     3. 04:48 AM - Re: Wing question ()
     4. 05:17 AM - Re;Japanese Piets in progress (M&M Stanley)
     5. 05:20 AM - built up spar testing (baileys)
     6. 06:11 AM - Re: seminar on rigging (Rick Holland)
     7. 06:53 AM - One-piece wing (Christopher Friel)
     8. 07:54 AM - Re: Wing question (Dick Navratil)
     9. 08:41 AM - Re: Wing question (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
    10. 08:42 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Jim Markle)
    11. 08:52 AM - Re: A-65 starter (Wizzard187@aol.com)
    12. 10:55 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Steve Eldredge)
    13. 11:20 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Jim Markle)
    14. 11:58 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
    15. 01:02 PM - how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil (Michael D Cuy)
    16. 02:19 PM - Re: Wing question (Graham Hansen)
    17. 02:38 PM - PFA rally (Christian Bobka)
    18. 02:57 PM - Re: PFA rally (Graham Hansen)
    19. 03:15 PM - Re: built up spar testing (TRichmo9@aol.com)
    20. 03:15 PM - Re: built up spar testing (TRichmo9@aol.com)
    21. 04:19 PM - Re: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil (Bill Church)
    22. 04:55 PM - Re: Metal parts ()
    23. 05:15 PM - Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? (Mike Whaley)
    24. 05:41 PM - Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? (Christian Bobka)
    25. 06:29 PM - Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday (Jeff Boatright)
    26. 08:13 PM - Re: Wing question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
 
 
 
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       FILETIME=[D518F0D0:01C57BD1]
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
      
      Build the three piece and then you also have the option of installing a
      second gas tank in the middle section or using it for storage like some
      people do.You also won't need so much space,easier to store.I would also
      think that the table you build it on won't have to be so long so less
      chance of getting warps etc.I have a three piece with a gas tank in the
      middle.I didn't build my aircraft but I am finishing it off.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      Catdesign
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign"
      <catdesign@intergate.com>
      
      I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing.  Here is the
      situation, 
      it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in
      my 
      parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there.
      After I 
      build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is
      not an 
      option.  I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's
      out 
      too.  Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run into
      
      problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them together?
      
      Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come on let
      me 
      know what you think, everyone has an opinion.
      
      Chris Tracy
      Sacramento, Ca
      
      
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      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
      
      
      Sounds like you NEED to build a three piece wing...You could probably build 
      the panels at home rather than drive 60 miles each way just to work on 
      it...If I had to drive that far to work on it I might never get it 
      finished...Plus you could then transport the panels easily and store them at 
      home...
      >From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:50:41 -0700
      >
      >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      >
      >I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing.  Here is the situation, 
      >it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in my 
      >parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there.  After I 
      >build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not 
      >an option.  I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's 
      >out too.  Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run 
      >into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them 
      >together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come 
      >on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion.
      >
      >Chris Tracy
      >Sacramento, Ca
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing question | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
      
      Chris,
      
      The 3-piece wing will add a significant 
      amount of work and time to your
      project.
      If at all possible, go with the 1-piece wing.
      
      Greg Cardinal
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      
      
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: 
      > "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      >
      > I need to decide if I can build the one 
      > piece wing.  Here is the situation, it 
      > looks like I will be building my wing about 
      > 60 miles from my house(in my parents 
      > garage) I might be able to build the one 
      > piece wing there.  After I build it, it 
      > will not fit in my garage and storing it in 
      > the house is not an option.  I will not 
      > have a hanger for any foreseeable future so 
      > that's out too.  Is it really feasible to 
      > build the one piece wing? Will I run into 
      > problems if I build the wing and fuselage 
      > without fitting them together? Should I 
      > just build the 3 piece wing so my life is 
      > easier? Come on let me know what you think, 
      > everyone has an opinion.
      >
      > Chris Tracy
      > Sacramento, Ca
      >
      >
      > Forum -
      > Navigator to browse
      > Subscriptions page,
      > Browse, Chat, FAQ,
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re;Japanese Piets in progress | 
      
      Steve-san,
      
      Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu. 
      Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!!
      
      Ja ne!
      
      Mark Stanley
      Japan
      
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Kirei na Pietenpol.  Mita-san Gokurosama desu!  Mo sugu tobu to omoimas!
      
       Steve E
      
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| Subject:  | built up spar testing | 
      
      The subject comes up every now and then about the possible use of a builtup spar
      to save weight and or cost.
      Here is as site that might be helpful when it comes to testing;
      http://www.flysquirrel.net/wing/spartest.html
      
      Also here is a very nice Australian Piet construction site http://www.cpc-world.com/
      It is Corvair powered and has built up box spars.
      Look on page 4 of the photo and there are a few of the spar construction
      I believe the plans for the box spar are available in the UK.
      (I'm told that they will not be sold in the USA because fear of our legal profession.)
      
      When I wrote to the Pietenpol family asking about these spars I didn't even get
      an acknowledgement.
      Bob B.
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| Subject:  | Re: seminar on rigging | 
      
      I would second that one. Just starting a discussion on Piet landing gear in
      general would generate hundreds of questions I would think, given all the
      alternative ways landing gear can be done.
      
      Rick H
      
      On 6/27/05, Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding@usmo.com> wrote:
      >
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <
      > wingding@usmo.com>
      >
      > How about someone doing a seminar or jigging up a landing gear. The steel
      > split gear preferably?
      > Dennis
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
      > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:42 AM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging
      >
      >
      > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
      > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
      > >
      > > It would be nice to have someone present the proper rigging procedures
      > for
      > > Pietenpols for guys who might
      > > be EAA Technical Counselors tutoring builders in their area. (or for
      > > builders directly. Jack Phillips comes to
      > > mind, but he'll be quite busy answering questions about his beautiful
      > new
      > > airplane.
      > >
      > > Mike C.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      >
      >
      
      
      --
      Rick Holland
      
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              pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christopher Friel" <cjfriel@ucdavis.edu>
      
      
      Chris, Glad to hear that you are starting on the wing. I also had to build 
      my piet a good distance from where I live and I built the 3-piece wing. I 
      can think of many reasons that favor the 3-piece: It seems a lot easier to 
      handle 2-15' pieces, it is definetly easier to move from shop to shop, and 
      just in case it is going to take a bit more time to finish the rest of the 
      plane, the two wings are easier to store in a regular garage. There should 
      be no problem having built the fuselage first although I wish I had built 
      the wings first just because they're so cool to have around the shop. The 
      one piece wing is ideal for bachelors or people with lots of shop space. 
      There is, in my mind at least, no disadvantage to the 3-piece. Having to 
      build a one-piece wing would have been a deal breaker for me because I 
      never could have found the space.
      
      Chris
      Davis, CA
      
      > Time: 10:51:07 PM PST US
      > From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      > 
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign"
      > <catdesign@intergate.com>
      > 
      > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing.  Here is the
      > situation, 
      > it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in
      > my 
      > parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there.  After
      > I 
      > build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not
      > an 
      > option.  I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's 
      out
      > 
      > too.  Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run into 
      > problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them together? 
      > Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come on let me
      > 
      > know what you think, everyone has an opinion.
      > 
      > Chris Tracy
      > Sacramento, Ca
      > 
      
      Christopher Friel
      Department of Plant Pathology
      University of California,Davis
      (530)754-7634
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing question | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
      
      Chris
      I have built both ways.  I prefer the 1 piece.  As Greg said, the 3 piece is 
      more work, but the 1 piece is a lot to handle.  Moving it around requires 
      1-2 helpers and takes up space for a long period of time.  Will your parents 
      be willing to give up 30'x6' while you are covering and painting?  You wont 
      be able to leave it vertical during that time.  Have you considered joining 
      an EAA chapter with a hangar that would have space to rent?
      Dick N.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      
      
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" 
      > <catdesign@intergate.com>
      >
      > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing.  Here is the 
      > situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my 
      > house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing 
      > there.  After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in 
      > the house is not an option.  I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable 
      > future so that's out too.  Is it really feasible to build the one piece 
      > wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without 
      > fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is 
      > easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion.
      >
      > Chris Tracy
      > Sacramento, Ca
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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       FILETIME=[BF8B4080:01C57BF7]
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
      
      30 x 6 is the minimum amount of space he'll need.Think about it.The
      table will have to be almost double the size in width and longer than 30
      ft by at least 3 feet.How about  the living room and the dinning room
      combined and maybe even the bathroom in a small place.Oh can I use your
      kitchen for the next few months while I putter away at this thing?Where
      are you going to keep all the wood as you put this thing together;the
      glue,the nails,the tools,etc,etc,etc.By the time you get finished you'll
      be lucky if anyone within a blocks radius will talk to you.Invite your
      friends and neighbours over for a get together when you get this thing
      about half finished ,it makes for a hell of a conversation piece.That is
      if you can get them in the door.Did I mention the sawdust?Who the hell
      has a garage that big anyway? Why not build two while your at it ,one
      for your wife if she hasn't left you!Build an extra one to hang up in
      your living room and dinning room as a decoration.Paint it pretty
      colours.Everyone will love it!
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
      Navratil
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil"
      <horzpool@goldengate.net>
      
      Chris
      I have built both ways.  I prefer the 1 piece.  As Greg said, the 3
      piece is 
      more work, but the 1 piece is a lot to handle.  Moving it around
      requires 
      1-2 helpers and takes up space for a long period of time.  Will your
      parents 
      be willing to give up 30'x6' while you are covering and painting?  You
      wont 
      be able to leave it vertical during that time.  Have you considered
      joining 
      an EAA chapter with a hangar that would have space to rent?
      Dick N.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question
      
      
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" 
      > <catdesign@intergate.com>
      >
      > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing.  Here is the 
      > situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles
      from my 
      > house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece
      wing 
      > there.  After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it
      in 
      > the house is not an option.  I will not have a hanger for any
      foreseeable 
      > future so that's out too.  Is it really feasible to build the one
      piece 
      > wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage
      without 
      > fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life
      is 
      > easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion.
      >
      > Chris Tracy
      > Sacramento, Ca
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress | 
      DNA: do not archive
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| Subject:  | Re: A-65 starter | 
      
      Cont. made a starter for a dash nine 65.   I have not seen one  but it was 
      big and heavy.  It has a different back case than most  65s.   Ken Conrad in  
      DRY eastern Iowa
      
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| Subject:  | Re;Japanese Piets in progress | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
      
      Very clever Jim!
      
      
      I know it would be hard to tell, but we are still on topic. Just that
      the message is in Romanized Japanese.  I spent two years there as a
      missionary -enjoyed the country, people and culture very much.
      
      
      I simply said that building an airplane in that constrained environment
      (airspace and floor-space) is a heroic undertaking and is to be
      congratulated, and that after building such a beauty so closely matching
      the Pietenpol plans with obvious logical concession to a more modern
      power plant, will sticking with the short fuse, (a personal choice I
      followed as well) that I thought it would be a great addition to the
      Japanese skies and should be a great flying airplane.
      
      
      He replied:
      
      
      Thanks for your kind comments on my friends aircraft.  Tomorrow after a
      long days work in the rice fields we will retire to the hanger and have
      a good long chat together about airplanes over a cool drink before we
      get to work putting the three piece wing halfs on a rotisserie to
      complete the final color coats of paint.  I think Mr Mita's aircamper is
      a really beauty too, and hope mine turns out half as well so we can fly
      formation together in the land of the rising sun!
      
      
      There you have it.  Sorry to leave you'all out.
      
      
      Steve E :-)
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
      Markle
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress
      
      
      You guys need to add: offee topicee to your manigoofymessageswan
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: M&M Stanley
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress
      
      Steve-san,
      
      
      Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu.
      
      Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!!
      
      
      Ja ne!
      
      
      Mark Stanley
      
      Japan
      
      
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      
      Kirei na Pietenpol.  Mita-san Gokurosama desu!  Mo sugu tobu to omoimas!
      
      Steve E
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re;Japanese Piets in progress | 
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| Subject:  | Re;Japanese Piets in progress | 
       FILETIME=[31885BD0:01C57C13]
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
      
      I look forward to seeing pictures in the future of the finished
      product.I used to work with a Japanese fellow and I still marvel at the
      workmanship he did.Very fine.
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
      Eldredge
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress
      
      
      Very clever Jim!
      
      
      I know it would be hard to tell, but we are still on topic. Just that
      the message is in Romanized Japanese.  I spent two years there as a
      missionary -enjoyed the country, people and culture very much.
      
      
      I simply said that building an airplane in that constrained environment
      (airspace and floor-space) is a heroic undertaking and is to be
      congratulated, and that after building such a beauty so closely matching
      the Pietenpol plans with obvious logical concession to a more modern
      power plant, will sticking with the short fuse, (a personal choice I
      followed as well) that I thought it would be a great addition to the
      Japanese skies and should be a great flying airplane.
      
      
      He replied:
      
      
      Thanks for your kind comments on my friends aircraft.  Tomorrow after a
      long days work in the rice fields we will retire to the hanger and have
      a good long chat together about airplanes over a cool drink before we
      get to work putting the three piece wing halfs on a rotisserie to
      complete the final color coats of paint.  I think Mr Mita's aircamper is
      a really beauty too, and hope mine turns out half as well so we can fly
      formation together in the land of the rising sun!
      
      
      There you have it.  Sorry to leave you'all out.
      
      
      Steve E :-)
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
      Markle
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress
      
      
      You guys need to add: offee topicee to your manigoofymessageswan
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: M&M Stanley
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress
      
      Steve-san,
      
      
      Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu.
      
      Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!!
      
      
      Ja ne!
      
      
      Mark Stanley
      
      Japan
      
      
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      
      Kirei na Pietenpol.  Mita-san Gokurosama desu!  Mo sugu tobu to omoimas!
      
      Steve E
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil | 
      
      Guys-- I cut and pasted this about how they modify F-16's when used for the 
      Thunderbird team........
      
      
      According to Captain Moreland, the gun system and ammunition drum have to 
      be removed to make room for the smoke oil system that delivers the white 
      smoke seen in the shows. The smoke system and the paint are the two main 
      differences. But the work that goes into making a jet Thunderbird material 
      is something entirely different.
      
      
      Mike C.
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing question | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
      
      Chris,
      
      While I used a three-piece wing on my Pietenpol because of limited working 
      space, I would have preferred to use the one-piece version since it is:
                               1. Lighter*
                               2. Easier to build**
                               3. Less expensive***
      Once the wing is mounted, and remains so, the advantage of the three-piece 
      version disappears. In 35 years, I have had the wings off only twice for 
      painting and replacing the fabric covering, So, if you keep it hangared 
      while not flying and don't "bend" it while flying, you won't be bothered 
      very frequently by the awkwardness of a 30 foot wing.
      
      The limiting factor, as I see it, is the amount of working space available 
      to the builder.
      
      Graham Hansen   (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
      
      * BHP himself told me one could save as much as 15 pounds by using the 
      one-piece wing.
      **Alignment of the one-piece version is facilitated while building and 
      making two extra butt ribs is not required. As well, reinforcing butt ribs 
      against fabric tension is unnecessary simply because there are no butt ribs!
      ***The hardware (bolts, fittings, etc.) required for the three-piece wing 
      will add to the cost of the project. 
      
      
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         d="scan'208,217"; a="1044646499:sNHT1033308926"
      
      Graham,
      
      Will you be at the PFA rally?
      
      chris
      
      
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      Chris,
      
      I won't be attending because I live in central Alberta, Canada and am too far away
      from great events (although I have been to OSH five times---the last in 1991).
      I'd LOVE to attend Brodhead, but it is simply too far for this old guy to
      fly his Pietenpol to get there (same distance to get back home, too). I really
      wish I were closer, geographically speaking, to you people.
      
      Cheers,
      
      Graham
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: built up spar testing | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: built up spar testing | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com
      
      i have some drawings of that spar
      
      
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| Subject:  | how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil | 
      
      Same method you used in your Piet, I assume...
      
      do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil
      
      
      Guys-- I cut and pasted this about how they modify F-16's when used for the
      Thunderbird team........
      
      
      According to Captain Moreland, the gun system and ammunition drum have to be
      removed to make room for the smoke oil system that delivers the white smoke
      seen in the shows. The smoke system and the paint are the two main
      differences. But the work that goes into making a jet Thunderbird material
      is something entirely different. 
      
      
      Mike C.   
      
      do not archive 
      
      
      <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1505" name=GENERATOR>
      
      Same 
      method you used in your Piet, I assume...
      <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>
      do not 
      archive
      
        <FONT face=Tahoma 
        size=2>-----Original Message-----
      From: 
        owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
        [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael 
        D Cuy
        pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to convert 
        an F-16 to carry smoke oil
      
      Guys-- I cut and pasted this 
        about how they modify F-16's when used for the Thunderbird 
        team........
      
      
      According to Captain Moreland, the gun 
        system and ammunition drum have to be removed to make room for the smoke oil
      
        system that delivers the white smoke seen in the shows. The smoke system and
      
        the paint are the two main differences. But the work that goes into making a
      
        jet Thunderbird material is something entirely different. 
      
      
      Mike C. 
      
      do not archive 
      
      
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      Fred,
      There are lots of conversion charts out there. Most of them just add to the confusion
      because the thicknesses listed are not available
      from the mills.
      Also, available tubing thicknesses are different than available sheet thicknesses.
      
      Try these:
      
      Gage to decimal for TUBING
      11 ga  .120
      12 ga  N/A
      13 ga  .095
      14 ga  .083
      16 ga  .065
      17 ga  .058
      18 ga  .049
      20 ga  .035
      22 ga  .028
      
      Gage to decimal for SHEET
      11 ga  .125
      12 ga  .100
      13 ga  .090
      14 ga  .080
      16 ga  .063
      18 ga  .050
      20 ga  .040
      22 ga  .032 or .025
      
      Greg Cardinal
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: TBYH@aol.com
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:34 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts
      
      
        Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has, but...do
      folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild steel, or 12
      gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130 nowadays, and
      if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that could be posted giving
      thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the control sticks and torque
      tube?
      
        Only a month to Brodhead!
      
        Fred B.
        La Crosse, WI
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| Subject:  | Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
      
      Hi all,
      
      Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in
      Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central Florida
      (and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure
      that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday
      before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to.
      
      Thanks!
      -Mike
      
      Mike Whaley    merlin@ov-10bronco.net
      Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
      http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
      
      
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         d="scan'208"; a="1047958781:sNHT20525164"
| Subject:  | Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
      
      Mike,
      
      I know this from experience.
      
      It is best to arrive at Brodhead on THursday late afternoon and then head
      out to OSH on Saturday afternoon or SUnday morning.
      
      Friday is a big day at Brodhead.  If you get there at noon on Saturday, you
      will esentially have missed the event.
      
      Chris
      Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July
      22nd?
      
      
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
      >
      > Hi all,
      >
      > Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in
      > Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central
      Florida
      > (and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure
      > that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday
      > before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to.
      >
      > Thanks!
      > -Mike
      >
      > Mike Whaley    merlin@ov-10bronco.net
      > Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
      > http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
      >
      >
      
      
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       July          22nd?
| Subject:  | Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday | 
       July          22nd?
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
      
      As others have written, Friday is a big day for Brodhead. I don't 
      know as I agree that Saturday is completely secondary, but for sure 
      Sunday is quiet.
      
      >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
      >
      >Hi all,
      >
      >Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in
      >Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central Florida
      >(and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure
      >that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday
      >before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to.
      >
      >Thanks!
      >-Mike
      >
      >Mike Whaley    merlin@ov-10bronco.net
      >Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
      >http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing question | 
      
      Chris,
      Yours is the typical situation that drives the need for a 3 piece wing.  If 
      building the 3 piece wing puts the project close to home, even though it will 
      take more construction time, you will be time ahead to avoid the drive.  In 
      order to complete such an enormous project, like building an airplane from 
      scratch, you MUST do SOMETHING on the project every single day.  Happy Building
      !!
      
      Chuck G.
      
 
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