---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/28/05: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Wing question (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: Wing question (Ed G.) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Wing question () 4. 05:17 AM - Re;Japanese Piets in progress (M&M Stanley) 5. 05:20 AM - built up spar testing (baileys) 6. 06:11 AM - Re: seminar on rigging (Rick Holland) 7. 06:53 AM - One-piece wing (Christopher Friel) 8. 07:54 AM - Re: Wing question (Dick Navratil) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Wing question (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 10. 08:42 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Jim Markle) 11. 08:52 AM - Re: A-65 starter (Wizzard187@aol.com) 12. 10:55 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Steve Eldredge) 13. 11:20 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (Jim Markle) 14. 11:58 AM - Re: Re;Japanese Piets in progress (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 15. 01:02 PM - how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil (Michael D Cuy) 16. 02:19 PM - Re: Wing question (Graham Hansen) 17. 02:38 PM - PFA rally (Christian Bobka) 18. 02:57 PM - Re: PFA rally (Graham Hansen) 19. 03:15 PM - Re: built up spar testing (TRichmo9@aol.com) 20. 03:15 PM - Re: built up spar testing (TRichmo9@aol.com) 21. 04:19 PM - Re: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil (Bill Church) 22. 04:55 PM - Re: Metal parts () 23. 05:15 PM - Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? (Mike Whaley) 24. 05:41 PM - Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? (Christian Bobka) 25. 06:29 PM - Re: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday (Jeff Boatright) 26. 08:13 PM - Re: Wing question (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing question From: harvey.rule@bell.ca FILETIME=[D518F0D0:01C57BD1] --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca Build the three piece and then you also have the option of installing a second gas tank in the middle section or using it for storage like some people do.You also won't need so much space,easier to store.I would also think that the table you build it on won't have to be so long so less chance of getting warps etc.I have a three piece with a gas tank in the middle.I didn't build my aircraft but I am finishing it off. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesign Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there. After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not an option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's out too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:17 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Sounds like you NEED to build a three piece wing...You could probably build the panels at home rather than drive 60 miles each way just to work on it...If I had to drive that far to work on it I might never get it finished...Plus you could then transport the panels easily and store them at home... >From: "Catdesign" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:50:41 -0700 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" > >I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the situation, >it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in my >parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there. After I >build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not >an option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's >out too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run >into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them >together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come >on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion. > >Chris Tracy >Sacramento, Ca > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Chris, The 3-piece wing will add a significant amount of work and time to your project. If at all possible, go with the 1-piece wing. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesign" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > "Catdesign" > > I need to decide if I can build the one > piece wing. Here is the situation, it > looks like I will be building my wing about > 60 miles from my house(in my parents > garage) I might be able to build the one > piece wing there. After I build it, it > will not fit in my garage and storing it in > the house is not an option. I will not > have a hanger for any foreseeable future so > that's out too. Is it really feasible to > build the one piece wing? Will I run into > problems if I build the wing and fuselage > without fitting them together? Should I > just build the 3 piece wing so my life is > easier? Come on let me know what you think, > everyone has an opinion. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > > > Forum - > Navigator to browse > Subscriptions page, > Browse, Chat, FAQ, > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:10 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress Steve-san, Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu. Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!! Ja ne! Mark Stanley Japan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirei na Pietenpol. Mita-san Gokurosama desu! Mo sugu tobu to omoimas! Steve E ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:47 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Pietenpol-List: built up spar testing The subject comes up every now and then about the possible use of a builtup spar to save weight and or cost. Here is as site that might be helpful when it comes to testing; http://www.flysquirrel.net/wing/spartest.html Also here is a very nice Australian Piet construction site http://www.cpc-world.com/ It is Corvair powered and has built up box spars. Look on page 4 of the photo and there are a few of the spar construction I believe the plans for the box spar are available in the UK. (I'm told that they will not be sold in the USA because fear of our legal profession.) When I wrote to the Pietenpol family asking about these spars I didn't even get an acknowledgement. Bob B. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:45 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging I would second that one. Just starting a discussion on Piet landing gear in general would generate hundreds of questions I would think, given all the alternative ways landing gear can be done. Rick H On 6/27/05, Dennis Engelkenjohn wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" < > wingding@usmo.com> > > How about someone doing a seminar or jigging up a landing gear. The steel > split gear preferably? > Dennis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:42 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: seminar on rigging > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > It would be nice to have someone present the proper rigging procedures > for > > Pietenpols for guys who might > > be EAA Technical Counselors tutoring builders in their area. (or for > > builders directly. Jack Phillips comes to > > mind, but he'll be quite busy answering questions about his beautiful > new > > airplane. > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:32 AM PST US pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: "Christopher Friel" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christopher Friel" Chris, Glad to hear that you are starting on the wing. I also had to build my piet a good distance from where I live and I built the 3-piece wing. I can think of many reasons that favor the 3-piece: It seems a lot easier to handle 2-15' pieces, it is definetly easier to move from shop to shop, and just in case it is going to take a bit more time to finish the rest of the plane, the two wings are easier to store in a regular garage. There should be no problem having built the fuselage first although I wish I had built the wings first just because they're so cool to have around the shop. The one piece wing is ideal for bachelors or people with lots of shop space. There is, in my mind at least, no disadvantage to the 3-piece. Having to build a one-piece wing would have been a deal breaker for me because I never could have found the space. Chris Davis, CA > Time: 10:51:07 PM PST US > From: "Catdesign" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" > > > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the > situation, > it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my house(in > my > parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing there. After > I > build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in the house is not > an > option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable future so that's out > > too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece wing? Will I run into > problems if I build the wing and fuselage without fitting them together? > Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is easier? Come on let me > > know what you think, everyone has an opinion. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Christopher Friel Department of Plant Pathology University of California,Davis (530)754-7634 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:13 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" Chris I have built both ways. I prefer the 1 piece. As Greg said, the 3 piece is more work, but the 1 piece is a lot to handle. Moving it around requires 1-2 helpers and takes up space for a long period of time. Will your parents be willing to give up 30'x6' while you are covering and painting? You wont be able to leave it vertical during that time. Have you considered joining an EAA chapter with a hangar that would have space to rent? Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesign" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" > > > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the > situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my > house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing > there. After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in > the house is not an option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable > future so that's out too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece > wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without > fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is > easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing question From: harvey.rule@bell.ca FILETIME=[BF8B4080:01C57BF7] --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca 30 x 6 is the minimum amount of space he'll need.Think about it.The table will have to be almost double the size in width and longer than 30 ft by at least 3 feet.How about the living room and the dinning room combined and maybe even the bathroom in a small place.Oh can I use your kitchen for the next few months while I putter away at this thing?Where are you going to keep all the wood as you put this thing together;the glue,the nails,the tools,etc,etc,etc.By the time you get finished you'll be lucky if anyone within a blocks radius will talk to you.Invite your friends and neighbours over for a get together when you get this thing about half finished ,it makes for a hell of a conversation piece.That is if you can get them in the door.Did I mention the sawdust?Who the hell has a garage that big anyway? Why not build two while your at it ,one for your wife if she hasn't left you!Build an extra one to hang up in your living room and dinning room as a decoration.Paint it pretty colours.Everyone will love it! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" Chris I have built both ways. I prefer the 1 piece. As Greg said, the 3 piece is more work, but the 1 piece is a lot to handle. Moving it around requires 1-2 helpers and takes up space for a long period of time. Will your parents be willing to give up 30'x6' while you are covering and painting? You wont be able to leave it vertical during that time. Have you considered joining an EAA chapter with a hangar that would have space to rent? Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesign" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" > > > I need to decide if I can build the one piece wing. Here is the > situation, it looks like I will be building my wing about 60 miles from my > house(in my parents garage) I might be able to build the one piece wing > there. After I build it, it will not fit in my garage and storing it in > the house is not an option. I will not have a hanger for any foreseeable > future so that's out too. Is it really feasible to build the one piece > wing? Will I run into problems if I build the wing and fuselage without > fitting them together? Should I just build the 3 piece wing so my life is > easier? Come on let me know what you think, everyone has an opinion. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:29 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:46 AM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 starter Cont. made a starter for a dash nine 65. I have not seen one but it was big and heavy. It has a different back case than most 65s. Ken Conrad in DRY eastern Iowa ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle Very clever Jim! I know it would be hard to tell, but we are still on topic. Just that the message is in Romanized Japanese. I spent two years there as a missionary -enjoyed the country, people and culture very much. I simply said that building an airplane in that constrained environment (airspace and floor-space) is a heroic undertaking and is to be congratulated, and that after building such a beauty so closely matching the Pietenpol plans with obvious logical concession to a more modern power plant, will sticking with the short fuse, (a personal choice I followed as well) that I thought it would be a great addition to the Japanese skies and should be a great flying airplane. He replied: Thanks for your kind comments on my friends aircraft. Tomorrow after a long days work in the rice fields we will retire to the hanger and have a good long chat together about airplanes over a cool drink before we get to work putting the three piece wing halfs on a rotisserie to complete the final color coats of paint. I think Mr Mita's aircamper is a really beauty too, and hope mine turns out half as well so we can fly formation together in the land of the rising sun! There you have it. Sorry to leave you'all out. Steve E :-) ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress You guys need to add: offee topicee to your manigoofymessageswan -----Original Message----- From: M&M Stanley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress Steve-san, Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu. Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!! Ja ne! Mark Stanley Japan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirei na Pietenpol. Mita-san Gokurosama desu! Mo sugu tobu to omoimas! Steve E ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:54 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress FILETIME=[31885BD0:01C57C13] --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I look forward to seeing pictures in the future of the finished product.I used to work with a Japanese fellow and I still marvel at the workmanship he did.Very fine. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress Very clever Jim! I know it would be hard to tell, but we are still on topic. Just that the message is in Romanized Japanese. I spent two years there as a missionary -enjoyed the country, people and culture very much. I simply said that building an airplane in that constrained environment (airspace and floor-space) is a heroic undertaking and is to be congratulated, and that after building such a beauty so closely matching the Pietenpol plans with obvious logical concession to a more modern power plant, will sticking with the short fuse, (a personal choice I followed as well) that I thought it would be a great addition to the Japanese skies and should be a great flying airplane. He replied: Thanks for your kind comments on my friends aircraft. Tomorrow after a long days work in the rice fields we will retire to the hanger and have a good long chat together about airplanes over a cool drink before we get to work putting the three piece wing halfs on a rotisserie to complete the final color coats of paint. I think Mr Mita's aircamper is a really beauty too, and hope mine turns out half as well so we can fly formation together in the land of the rising sun! There you have it. Sorry to leave you'all out. Steve E :-) ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress You guys need to add: offee topicee to your manigoofymessageswan -----Original Message----- From: M&M Stanley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re;Japanese Piets in progress Steve-san, Anata no message domo arigato. Ashita, Mita-san hanashimasu. Boku mo omoimas, Mita-san no Pietenpol wa, Kirei Desu!! Ja ne! Mark Stanley Japan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirei na Pietenpol. Mita-san Gokurosama desu! Mo sugu tobu to omoimas! Steve E ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:37 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil Guys-- I cut and pasted this about how they modify F-16's when used for the Thunderbird team........ According to Captain Moreland, the gun system and ammunition drum have to be removed to make room for the smoke oil system that delivers the white smoke seen in the shows. The smoke system and the paint are the two main differences. But the work that goes into making a jet Thunderbird material is something entirely different. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:14 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" Chris, While I used a three-piece wing on my Pietenpol because of limited working space, I would have preferred to use the one-piece version since it is: 1. Lighter* 2. Easier to build** 3. Less expensive*** Once the wing is mounted, and remains so, the advantage of the three-piece version disappears. In 35 years, I have had the wings off only twice for painting and replacing the fabric covering, So, if you keep it hangared while not flying and don't "bend" it while flying, you won't be bothered very frequently by the awkwardness of a 30 foot wing. The limiting factor, as I see it, is the amount of working space available to the builder. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) * BHP himself told me one could save as much as 15 pounds by using the one-piece wing. **Alignment of the one-piece version is facilitated while building and making two extra butt ribs is not required. As well, reinforcing butt ribs against fabric tension is unnecessary simply because there are no butt ribs! ***The hardware (bolts, fittings, etc.) required for the three-piece wing will add to the cost of the project. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:32 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1044646499:sNHT1033308926" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: PFA rally Graham, Will you be at the PFA rally? chris ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:23 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PFA rally Chris, I won't be attending because I live in central Alberta, Canada and am too far away from great events (although I have been to OSH five times---the last in 1991). I'd LOVE to attend Brodhead, but it is simply too far for this old guy to fly his Pietenpol to get there (same distance to get back home, too). I really wish I were closer, geographically speaking, to you people. Cheers, Graham ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:39 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: built up spar testing --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:41 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: built up spar testing --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TRichmo9@aol.com i have some drawings of that spar ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:47 PM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil Same method you used in your Piet, I assume... do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil Guys-- I cut and pasted this about how they modify F-16's when used for the Thunderbird team........ According to Captain Moreland, the gun system and ammunition drum have to be removed to make room for the smoke oil system that delivers the white smoke seen in the shows. The smoke system and the paint are the two main differences. But the work that goes into making a jet Thunderbird material is something entirely different. Mike C. do not archive Same method you used in your Piet, I assume... do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to convert an F-16 to carry smoke oil Guys-- I cut and pasted this about how they modify F-16's when used for the Thunderbird team........ According to Captain Moreland, the gun system and ammunition drum have to be removed to make room for the smoke oil system that delivers the white smoke seen in the shows. The smoke system and the paint are the two main differences. But the work that goes into making a jet Thunderbird material is something entirely different. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:04 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts Fred, There are lots of conversion charts out there. Most of them just add to the confusion because the thicknesses listed are not available from the mills. Also, available tubing thicknesses are different than available sheet thicknesses. Try these: Gage to decimal for TUBING 11 ga .120 12 ga N/A 13 ga .095 14 ga .083 16 ga .065 17 ga .058 18 ga .049 20 ga .035 22 ga .028 Gage to decimal for SHEET 11 ga .125 12 ga .100 13 ga .090 14 ga .080 16 ga .063 18 ga .050 20 ga .040 22 ga .032 or .025 Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal parts Don't know if this has been covered in the archives -- probably has, but...do folks still build metal parts per the plans, i.e. 16 gauge mild steel, or 12 gauge mild steel, for example? Or, does everyone substitue 4130 nowadays, and if so, what gauge of 4130? Has anyone compiled a list that could be posted giving thickness of 4130 for various parts including for the control sticks and torque tube? Only a month to Brodhead! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:35 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" Hi all, Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central Florida (and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to. Thanks! -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:07 PM PST US d="scan'208"; a="1047958781:sNHT20525164" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Mike, I know this from experience. It is best to arrive at Brodhead on THursday late afternoon and then head out to OSH on Saturday afternoon or SUnday morning. Friday is a big day at Brodhead. If you get there at noon on Saturday, you will esentially have missed the event. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" > > Hi all, > > Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in > Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central Florida > (and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure > that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday > before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to. > > Thanks! > -Mike > > Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net > Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association > http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:14 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright July 22nd? Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead - is anything happening on Friday July 22nd? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright As others have written, Friday is a big day for Brodhead. I don't know as I agree that Saturday is completely secondary, but for sure Sunday is quiet. >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" > >Hi all, > >Will it be worth it to go to Brodhead on Friday the 22nd? We have to be in >Oshkosh very early Saturday, and since we're driving up from central Florida >(and have a bunch of pets to make arrangements for) we want to make sure >that there will actually be people and planes to see in Brodhead on Friday >before we commit to leaving a day earlier than we'd otherwise need to. > >Thanks! >-Mike > >Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net >Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association >http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:50 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing question Chris, Yours is the typical situation that drives the need for a 3 piece wing. If building the 3 piece wing puts the project close to home, even though it will take more construction time, you will be time ahead to avoid the drive. In order to complete such an enormous project, like building an airplane from scratch, you MUST do SOMETHING on the project every single day. Happy Building !! Chuck G.