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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: Hello! (Phillips, Jack)
3. 06:19 AM - Supplemental Pietenpol Plan Packages link. (Keri-Ann Price)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 (Rick Holland)
5. 02:40 PM - Re: Pietenpol on film (Michael D Cuy)
6. 03:05 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 ()
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 |
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I understand what you are going through.I tried to register my Piet as
an ultralight up here in Canada.After talking to the right person after
months of haggling ,I finally got my plane registered as an ultralight.I
was going to have to register as a home built otherwise which was going
to cost me over 7000$ cnd in the long run.As an ultralight it cost me
20$ for a new ID plate.Go figure.A lot of what you get with the
government depends on who you talk to.Try again with a different person
and your liable to get what you want.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal@mn.rr.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22
Dale and I just tried to register ours as a motorglider. We were not
successful.
We did a thorough search of the regs and could find no reason that would
prohibit registering an experimental as a motorglider.
All of the regs that discussed span loading are for certified aircraft,
not experimentals.
Our initial airworthiness application that was sent to OKC was accepted
and NX18235
was listed in the FAA database as a "Glider, Self-launching"
All of the paperwork was approved by the local MIDO and sent on to the
AB-DAR.
He denied the application based on an obscure FAA order, 8130.2-F ???,
that says
experimentals must meet the same criteria as certified aircraft.
We then had to submit an amendment to our application changing it from a
"Glider" to
an "Airplane, Single engine, Land".
This added several months to our ordeal.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22
There are actually two other options for medical denied/revoked
pilots,
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1) Real ultralight - like this -
http://www.cgsaviation.com/hawkultra.htm
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2) Motorglider, like this - http://www.sonex-ltd.com/xenos.html
(there are some plans-built motorgliders, wondering if anyone
has ever attempted to make a Piet motorglider?)
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A motorglider is defined as an aircraft that is under 1874
pounds gross, two seat max,
and a span loading (gross weight divided by wingspan squared) no
more than 0.62 lb./sq. ft.
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So a Piet has a span loading of about 1100/29 * 29 1.308. So
if you just increased the wingspan to 42 ft. you would have a
motorglider. (Highly unrecommended).
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On 7/1/05, Stephen! <pietenpol@imagesdesavions.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stephen!"
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Gordon Bowen wrote:
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> So here's a tip of you older guys with any FAA medical class
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Sorry to hear about your medical problems, Gordon. There's a
lot of guy
around here that had to give up power all together and go
glider...
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> Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
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Hey... Does Tom Bodette still do his radio show from up there?
I
haven't heard him on the air for a good number of years now.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
As Walt Evans said, the best books for learning how to build an airplane
are the 4 Tony Bingelis books: The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane
Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines.
In addition, I learned a lot from the EAA Aircraft Welding book, and
their Aircraft Woodworking book.
If not an EAA member, by all means join. If there is a local chapter
that you can visit, even better, but you can get a lot of benefit from
belonging to the national organization. Go on their website,
www.eaa.org and click on the members only section, then go to
"homebuilder's headquarters". There you can find articles from past
issues of Sport Aviation that will answer most of your questions.
As someone else advised, buy the plans and study them before committing
to materials and tools. You can build a Pietenpol with simple hand
tools, but it will be easier if you have a good belt sander, a bandsaw,
a metal cutting bandsaw (that can be slowed down to 80 fpm on the blade
speed for cutting steel) and an oxy-acetylene welding rig.
There are a number of major decisions that need to be made when building
a Pietenpol, including:
Engine type (Ford "A", Corvair, Continental, or other?)
Short or Long fuselage
1-piece or 3-piece wing
Cub-style or straight axle landing gear
Sitka Spruce, Douglas Fir or other wood?
Resorcinol, T-88, Aerolite or other glues?
Tailwheel and brakes, or tailskid and no brakes?
This ain't no stinkin' kitplane where all these decisions are already
made for you and you just have to bolt the assembly together. This is
one of the beauties and the challenges of building a Pietenpol, and why
no two of them are alike.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stephen!"
<pietenpol@imagesdesavions.com>
Gordon Bowen wrote:
> itself to the be best homebuilt for ease of building and ease of
adapting
> where needed.
"adapting"... That, I like...
Where is the best place to learn about the process of building outside
of the actual building process its self? Where can I find an easy to
understand, comprehensive list (perhaps?) of what I need to do to get
this thing off the ground, so to speak. I'm sure it cannot be as simple
as just gettin' 'er done and jumping in for a flight. For example, are
there progressive FAA inspections that need to be done and such?
I am a pilot, I am a craftsman, I have yet to combine the two and know
not where to start...
Have I made any sense in my questions or have I just confused you?
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| Subject: | Supplemental Pietenpol Plan Packages link. |
Keri-Ann's Supplemental Pietenpol Plan Package Link<http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Keri-Anns_Pietenpol.html?20055>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 |
Interesting, I was thinking of the same thing. Do you think it is worth
trying?
On 7/4/05, gcardinal@mn.rr.com <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Dale and I just tried to register ours as a motorglider. We were not
> successful.
> We did a thorough search of the regs and could find no reason that would
> prohibit registering an experimental as a motorglider.
> All of the regs that discussed span loading are for certified aircraft,
> not experimentals.
> Our initial airworthiness application that was sent to OKC was accepted
> and NX18235
> was listed in the FAA database as a "Glider, Self-launching"
> All of the paperwork was approved by the local MIDO and sent on to the
> AB-DAR.
> He denied the application based on an obscure FAA order, 8130.2-F ???,
> that says
> experimentals must meet the same criteria as certified aircraft.
> We then had to submit an amendment to our application changing it from a
> "Glider" to
> an "Airplane, Single engine, Land".
>
>
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on film |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Bill-- I really like how after they show the Pietenpol fly over they show
the shadow of the biplane.
Hah ! Too funny.
Mike C.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22 |
Rick,
We made the initial application prior to Sport Pilot being approved.
It made sense to try it at the time.
Joe Norris and gang at EAA OSH said we weren't the first to try and no one had
been successful.
Because of the FAA order it can't be done.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Lic, Medical Catch-22
Interesting, I was thinking of the same thing. Do you think it is worth trying?
On 7/4/05, gcardinal@mn.rr.com <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> wrote:
Dale and I just tried to register ours as a motorglider. We were not successful.
We did a thorough search of the regs and could find no reason that would
prohibit registering an experimental as a motorglider.
All of the regs that discussed span loading are for certified aircraft, not
experimentals.
Our initial airworthiness application that was sent to OKC was accepted and
NX18235
was listed in the FAA database as a "Glider, Self-launching"
All of the paperwork was approved by the local MIDO and sent on to the AB-DAR.
He denied the application based on an obscure FAA order, 8130.2-F ???, that
says
experimentals must meet the same criteria as certified aircraft.
We then had to submit an amendment to our application changing it from a "Glider"
to
an "Airplane, Single engine, Land".
--
Rick Holland
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