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1. 05:22 AM - Not free Advertising (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 07:06 AM - Cont. A-65 runup (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 07:09 AM - Re: Cont. A-65 runup (Phillips, Jack)
4. 08:48 AM - A-65 exhaust studs (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 08:58 AM - Re: Pietenpol on film (Bill Church)
6. 11:50 AM - Re: A-65 exhaust studs (Steve Ruse)
7. 11:51 AM - Re: Cont. A-65 runup (Steve Ruse)
8. 01:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol on film (Harvey Rule)
9. 02:14 PM - Re: Pietenpol on film (bike.mike)
10. 02:31 PM - cable and pin eye (santiago morete)
11. 04:52 PM - covering (Javier Cruz)
12. 04:52 PM - covering (Javier Cruz)
13. 07:21 PM - Re: covering ()
14. 08:08 PM - Re: Cont. A-65 runup (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 08:37 PM - Re: A-65 exhaust studs (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 08:51 PM - Re: Cont. A-65 runup (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 09:01 PM - Re: cable and pin eye (Rcaprd@aol.com)
18. 09:06 PM - Re: covering (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Not free Advertising |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Keri-Ann,
This is a discussion list, not free advertising for a business. A sure
way to turn off Pietenpol builders is to take unfair advantage of a free
service that is provided to promote aircraft building. Matt Dralle would
probably appreciate it if you would send him a few hundred bucks for the
advertising you have already done.
Dick Hartwig
rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | Cont. A-65 runup |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, Pieters;
Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine
runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Cont. A-65 runup |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
I use 1600. Get about a 100 RPM drop on each mag, about 75 RPM with
carb heat
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runup
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, Pieters;
Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine
runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | A-65 exhaust studs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy again, Pieters;
Hate to be a pest here, but this is the best place for me to find the
answers I need. Anybody know what the recommended torque is for the nuts
holding the exhaust stacks to the studs on the Cont. A-65?
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Pietenpol on film |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Mike,
As I remember it, that's just in the trailer (editing).
But if you watch the trailer, when they show the aileron moving before
takeoff, the aileron has quite a warp in it, and then when the plane is
rolling down the runway for takeoff, both ailerons are hanging down, like
flaps. I don't think the Piet in the film was actually airworthy. The few
flying scenes show the "Pietenpol" climbing like a fighter jet - even with
that added drag of the big copper fuel tank on the wing :)
One scene that was funny in the film was showing a young boy working on
"rebuilding" the Stampe into a Pietenpol. They showed him "working" on the
ribs (which were plywood) with a hammer!
I bet the producers of this film never expected anyone to pay attention to
this stuff.
Bill
do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on film
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Bill-- I really like how after they show the Pietenpol fly over they show
the shadow of the biplane.
Hah ! Too funny.
Mike C.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 exhaust studs |
Oscar,
See page 8 of the attached document. I believe it has what you are
looking for.
It is a recent document from Continental, and has all tourqe specs
for a LOT of
Continental engines. I can't remember where I found this now.
If I'm reading this right, exhuast manifold nut torque should be:
200-210 in/lbs for a .31-24 fastener, or
100-110 in/lbs for a .25-28 fasterner
I'm guessing a .25-28 is 1/4", 28 threads per inch, and .31-24 must be
5/16", 24
threads per inch?
Steve Ruse
N6383J - KFTW
Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Howdy again, Pieters;
>
> Hate to be a pest here, but this is the best place for me to find the
> answers I need. Anybody know what the recommended torque is for the nuts
> holding the exhaust stacks to the studs on the Cont. A-65?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Cont. A-65 runup |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
I use 1,700 RPM, and probably lose 75 RPM on a single mag, and more near 100
with carb heat on my A-75.
What static RPM do you guys usually see, and with what prop? I get about
2,400rpm static, and only 2,450-2,500 flat out (full throttle level flight).
Steve Ruse
N6383J - KFTW
Quoting "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
> <jphillip@alarismed.com>
>
> I use 1600. Get about a 100 RPM drop on each mag, about 75 RPM with
> carb heat
>
> Jack Phillips, PE
> Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
> Clinical Technologies and Services
> Cardinal Health
> Creedmoor, NC
> (919) 528-5212
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
> Zuniga
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:05 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runup
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Howdy, Pieters;
>
> Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine
>
> runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on film |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
Watch the movie Dr.Strangelove and when they show the B52 flying it's
shadow is that of a B17,go figure eh!
Now that's humour!
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
>
>Was at the video store on the weekend looking for something to watch, and
>found a DVD with an illustration on the cover that looked like a Pietenpol
>in flight. So I rented it. As a film it wasn't great. Even the flying scenes
>were kind of hokey (digitally animated). The main character is an aviator
>who crashes in some unidentified southern land where (conveniently) everyone
>speaks English. He is flying what appears to be a Stampe biplane. When they
>rebuild the plane from the salvaged parts, suddenly the Stampe parts become
>a Pietenpol. The whole plane is covered with sewing fabric, so it looks
>pretty goofy, but it's definitely a Piet. Oh, they also mount a huge round
>copper fuel tank on top of the wing. There's only five or ten minutes of
>Pietenpol in the whole film. The name of the film is "Facing Fear" in
>Canadian release, but it's named "The Flight" in the U.S.
>Here's a link to the trailer...
>http://www.videodetective.com/trailer-preview.asp?publishedID=738563 .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on film |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" <bike.mike@charter.net>
The same thing in the movie "Airplane"; scenes of the 707 in flight are
accompanied by the sound of a four engine prop plane.
>
> Watch the movie Dr.Strangelove and when they show the B52 flying it's
> shadow is that of a B17,go figure eh!
> Now that's humour!
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church
<eng@canadianrogers.com>
> >
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| Subject: | cable and pin eye |
Is really a problem to insert thimbles in a pin eye (AN165 turnbuckle pin eye)
instead of a cable eye? thanks to all
Santiago Morete
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
Hi List
The Piet is almost ready to cover, so i need some help here..
On the fuselage bottom how did you install the fabric, just over the
playwood and after install all hardware (nuts,etc), or did you glue some
stringers ( like the large piece on the sides) for cover the nuts ...
On the sides , the plans show some little pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, just
one comment here.. did you install first all the metalic stuff , or did you
cover first and install after...
Thanks in advance
Javier Cruz
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
Hi List
The Piet is almost ready to cover, so i need some help here..
On the fuselage bottom how did you install the fabric, just over the
playwood and after install all hardware (nuts,etc), or did you glue some
stringers ( like the large piece on the sides) for cover the nuts ...
On the sides , the plans show some little pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, just
one comment here.. did you install first all the metalic stuff , or did you
cover first and install after...
Thanks in advance
Javier Cruz
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
All hardware was installed first. Then a
stringer is glued down the center
of the belly from the firewall to the tail.
The stringer tapers from 1" at the firewall
to 1/4" at the tail.
The stringer will keep the fabric clear of
the hardware.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Javier Cruz" <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
>
> Hi List
> The Piet is almost ready to cover, so i
> need some help here..
> On the fuselage bottom how did you install
> the fabric, just over the
> playwood and after install all hardware
> (nuts,etc), or did you glue some
> stringers ( like the large piece on the
> sides) for cover the nuts ...
> On the sides , the plans show some little
> pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, just
> one comment here.. did you install first
> all the metalic stuff , or did you
> cover first and install after...
> Thanks in advance
> Javier Cruz
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. A-65 runup |
In a message dated 7/6/2005 9:07:26 AM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine
runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?
I use 1500 RPM indicated for the mag drop test. Any more than that, and I
have to apply considerably more pressure on the brake pedals. I checked my
mechanical tach in the panel, to an electronic tach, and it reads 100 RPM too low
at 2000 RPM. I get about 50 RPM drop for each mag, and about 50 for the carb
heat, too. I have new Slick Mags...well they were new when I assembled the
engine, about 200 hours ago. No problems with the Slicks, so they were worth
the $1000 investment.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 exhaust studs |
In a message dated 7/6/2005 10:50:07 AM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Hate to be a pest here, but this is the best place for me to find the
answers I need. Anybody know what the recommended torque is for the nuts
holding the exhaust stacks to the studs on the Cont. A-65?
I just removed my exhaust pipes for sandblast & paint. The Continental
Overhaul Manual calls out Torque Limits on 5/16 - 24 nuts & screws to be 180 -
220
in. lbs., which works out to 15 to 18.3 ft. lbs. I've never found anything=20to
last on exhaust pipes. This time I'm using VHT Flame Proof Coating (SP-101)
Flat White, and supposed to be good to 1500=BA for painting exhaust pipes &
headers. I bought it at the local Hot Rod Shop. It specs sand blasting, and
baking in the oven at 600=BA to 650=BA. I suggest the use of the tall brass exhaust
nuts for this install. It was no problem to break them loose with 1/4" drive
tools, and came off with my finger. I used the thin metal gaskets, with the
bead around the big hole. A couple of small areas I noted black carbon traces,
like they were leaking, but saw no evidence of leaks up against the head.
There wouldn't be enough back pressure, with the short 2 into 1 pipes, for it to
leak very much. Another thing I always do, when dealing with exhaust, is to
plane the top of the flanges (gasket surfaces), with a long fine bastard file.
You need a long enough file to reach both flanges at the same time. It shows
the high and low spots where I dress independently, then finish again with
strokes across both flanges, to be sure they are on the same plane, and no
stresses are induced when the nuts are torqued. When I assembled them 2 years
ago,
I coated both sides of the exhaust gaskets with 'Copper Coat', but when I took
it apart yesterday, I found no evidence of the copper coat.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. A-65 runup |
In a message dated 7/6/2005 1:52:53 PM Central Standard Time,
steve@wotelectronics.com writes:
What static RPM do you guys usually see, and with what prop? I get about
2,400rpm static, and only 2,450-2,500 flat out (full throttle level flight).
I have a Cont A 65, with my home built 72 X 42 prop, and I get about 1900
RPM, full power static run up (in the chalks), or on take off roll. At full
power level flight, when the prop unloads, I see 2150 RPM indicated. Like I said
on a previous post, my tach reads 100 RPM too low, so those numbers are
actually 2000 and 2250 respectively. The ASI indicates about 72 to 75 MPH, but
it
also reads about 10 MPH too low, so I'm doing somewhere close to 85 MPH, on a
full power level flight run. I pull power for cruise flight between 1800 and
1900 RPM, and indicate about 65 MPH. I think fairing the gear legs helped a
little. The A65's rated power is 2300 RPM, so I consider mine to be a cruise
prop. I think I'm well with acceptable range.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: cable and pin eye |
In a message dated 7/6/2005 4:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar writes:
Is really a problem to insert thimbles in a pin eye (AN165 turnbuckle pin
eye) instead of a cable eye? thanks to all
Santiago,
The thimbles are not designed to be used with the pin eye. They should only
be used with the cable eye, which is champhered around the hole, to allow the
radius of the thimble.
Chuck G.
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In a message dated 7/6/2005 6:53:35 PM Central Standard Time,
javcr@prodigy.net.mx writes:
On the fuselage bottom how did you install the fabric, just over the
playwood and after install all hardware (nuts,etc), or did you glue some
stringers ( like the large piece on the sides) for cover the nuts ...
On the sides , the plans show some little pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, just
one comment here.. did you install first all the metalic stuff , or did you
cover first and install after...
Javier,
I didn't cover the plywood bottom of my plane. Just overlapped the corners
and the aft edge, about 2". My hardware is exposed on the bottom for
maintenance. I installed the hardware, like the lift strut / landing gear fittings
and
the fittings on the empenage, then covered them with the fabric. I used 2.7
oz fabric on the fuselage and wing, and used 1.8 oz fabric for the ailerons
and empenage.
Chuck G.
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