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1. 06:34 AM - Updates on my project (Ben Charvet)
2. 06:36 AM - anyone looking for a corvair motor? (Ben Charvet)
3. 09:33 AM - anyone making piet ribs for sale? ()
4. 09:37 AM - Update on my project (2nd attempt) (Ben Charvet)
5. 09:38 AM - Corvair motor for sale, east central Florida (Ben Charvet)
6. 09:42 AM - Re: Update on my project (2nd attempt) (Ben Charvet)
7. 10:02 AM - Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? (John Ford)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? (Ben Charvet)
9. 10:44 AM - Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? (TRichmo9@aol.com)
10. 01:51 PM - Re: Continentals are amazing (Christian Bobka)
11. 04:01 PM - Re: Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling (Christian Bobka)
12. 06:13 PM - Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 07:44 PM - Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling (Ted Brousseau)
14. 10:22 PM - Re: read this spark plug - slightly OT (Stephen!)
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| Subject: | Updates on my project |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Aren't you dismayed when you see simple and great hints and ideas, and
> wonder "why didn't I think of that?" Well, I take no credit for this
> one but it's stone-simple and I plan to implement it as soon as I get
> 41CC sorted out. Some of you have reported needing to hold right
> rudder at times and wishing you had rudder trim. From the KRNet, the
> following was posted by Mark Langford:
>
>> Troy Petteway does his trim with a cable and a spring connected to
>> the rudder pedal.
>> That works great with an 0-200, because it pulls on the left pedal so
>> the control can be
>> fastened to the fuselage wall, but for VWs and Corvairs it would
>> have to be the
>> right pedal, so it needs to be panel mounted. [because KRs have
>> side-by-side seating... not
>
> a factor in a Piet where the fuselage wall is available on either
> side. -OZ]
>
>> He drilled a hole in his panel with a little slot at the bottom of
>> the hole, and uses one of
>> those little "ball chains" like you see on old ceramic light
>> fixtures. He has certain balls marked
>> for climb and cruise, and pulls the chain out to the right color and
>> drops it in the slot to set it. That works too, is adjustable for
>> different flight regimes, and leaves no [rudder trim] tab on
>> the outside [of the airplane].
>
>
> And for you "antique look" aficionados, you could even use brass
> beaded chain ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> Hi all,
I've just updated my site on mykitplanes.com to reflect what I've been
doing the last few months. I have my Tech advisor coming out to see it
this afternoon.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | anyone looking for a corvair motor? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Aren't you dismayed when you see simple and great hints and ideas, and
> wonder "why didn't I think of that?" Well, I take no credit for this
> one but it's stone-simple and I plan to implement it as soon as I get
> 41CC sorted out. Some of you have reported needing to hold right
> rudder at times and wishing you had rudder trim. From the KRNet, the
> following was posted by Mark Langford:
>
>> Troy Petteway does his trim with a cable and a spring connected to
>> the rudder pedal.
>> That works great with an 0-200, because it pulls on the left pedal so
>> the control can be
>> fastened to the fuselage wall, but for VWs and Corvairs it would
>> have to be the
>> right pedal, so it needs to be panel mounted. [because KRs have
>> side-by-side seating... not
>
> a factor in a Piet where the fuselage wall is available on either
> side. -OZ]
>
>> He drilled a hole in his panel with a little slot at the bottom of
>> the hole, and uses one of
>> those little "ball chains" like you see on old ceramic light
>> fixtures. He has certain balls marked
>> for climb and cruise, and pulls the chain out to the right color and
>> drops it in the slot to set it. That works too, is adjustable for
>> different flight regimes, and leaves no [rudder trim] tab on
>> the outside [of the airplane].
>
>
> And for you "antique look" aficionados, you could even use brass
> beaded chain ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> I picked up a total of 4 Corvair motors and would like to sell one of
> them.. Its a YN I believe out of a 64, and it turns over well. I live
> in east central Florida, and you'd have to pick it up yourself. I
> have enough extra parts, that I'm sure we could come up with a
> complete rebuildable motor, but you'll need to be able to come here to
> pick it up.
Ben Charvet,
Mims, Fl (near the space center)
>
>
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| Subject: | anyone making piet ribs for sale? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <redbaron2010@adelphia.net>
Hi, I am new to the list. I just bought plans from Don Pietenpol. I have built
several homebuilts in the past (pober pixie and RV-6). Now ready to fly low
and slow again!
Is anyone on the list aware of someone who builds piet ribs for sale? I would
like to get a jump on my project and have had the pleasure of building my pober
pixie ribs.
Thanks and I am really impressed with the information on this list!!
regards,
Bob Soikkeli
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| Subject: | Update on my project (2nd attempt) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Hi all,
Sorry for the previous error in my message. Let me try again
l,
I've just updated my site on mykitplanes.com to reflect what I've been
doing the last few months. I have my Tech advisor coming out to see it
this afternoon.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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| Subject: | Corvair motor for sale, east central Florida |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
I picked up a total of 4 Corvair motors and would like to sell one of
them.. Its a YN I believe out of a 64, and it turns over well. I live
in east central Florida, and you'd have to pick it up yourself. I have
enough extra parts, that I'm sure we could come up with a complete
rebuildable motor, but you'll need to be able to come here to pick it up.
Ben Charvet,
Mims, Fl (near the space center)
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my project (2nd attempt) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
here is the link:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=481&FName=Ben&LName=Charvet&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
Ben Charvet wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet
> <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi all,
> Sorry for the previous error in my message. Let me try again
> l,
>
> I've just updated my site on mykitplanes.com to reflect what I've been
> doing the last few months. I have my Tech advisor coming out to see
> it this afternoon.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Bob,
Welcome to the list. It's a fun and informative place to be. As for
ribs, usually Charles Ruebeck has a full set for sale at Brodhead for a
very reasonable price. If you can make it to Brodhead this year, it's a
wonderful opportunity to see several iterations of the Pietenpol and
talk to a bunch of builders. I highly recommend it. The Brodhead
shindig is July 22, 23 and 24, with lots of action Friday and Saturday
and nearly everbody departing before noon on the 24th.
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler."
-- Albert Einstein
>>> redbaron2010@adelphia.net 7/10/2005 11:32:55 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <redbaron2010@adelphia.net>
Hi, I am new to the list. I just bought plans from Don Pietenpol. I
have built several homebuilts in the past (pober pixie and RV-6). Now
ready to fly low and slow again!
Is anyone on the list aware of someone who builds piet ribs for sale?
I would like to get a jump on my project and have had the pleasure of
building my pober pixie ribs.
Thanks and I am really impressed with the information on this list!!
regards,
Bob Soikkeli
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| Subject: | Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
Welcome to the Pietenpol group. As John said, Charlie Ruebeck makes
ribs and his price is pretty reasonable considering how long it takes to
make ribs. He was at Sun-n-Fun this year and I got to meet him and
watch him work for a while. It took me 2 months to complete my set. I
used it as a test to see if I was in this for the long haul. He uses
western red cedar I believe for materials, he's made hundreds of them,
and his workmanship is of course great. I have a picture of him I'll
e-mail you separately.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: anyone making piet ribs for sale? |
does anyone have charlies phone number id like to call him
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals are amazing |
Walt,
It will run fine for about 25 to 50 hours but by then the insides will be all torn
up with the ferrous oxides that come off into the oil which are pretty hard
at which point the cam bearing surfaces of the crankcase will be worn out, indicated
by no oil pressure at idle, trashing the crankcase...etc.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Fishnet
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continentals are amazing
A friend of mine had some medical problems and didn't fly his Cessna 120 for
three years. Just sat there getting dirtier and dirtier. Now he had to sell
it, so we washed it of the brown dust, and he wanted to taxi it to a hose to rinse
it.
The battery was dead, and wouldn't take a charge.
He got in and primed it, and on the 6th flip of the prop, it was running, even
on the old gas.
Man, that metal prop was sharp, had to put on gloves.
Ain't life grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling |
Chuck,
I had greg and Dale's ship up to 10,000 a few weeks ago. Their NAS3 carb does
not have the mixture control. I routinely take the Cessna 140 to 11 or 12 for
long cross countries and I lean it all the time and get the C-85 down to 4 gph
or so! I have been as high as 16,500 about 18 years ago with just an A-65 in
a Taylorcraft with the mixture equipped NAS3.
All this on car gas too.
Go for it.
I lean at any altitude and in a climb as well. The engine likes it.
I havce always been a proponent of the mixture control. However, you must understand
how it works.....Look in the archives for my previous comments.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling
I'm installing a mixture control on my Stromberg NAS3A1 carb, in order to
fly up at some higher altitudes. I'm also installing EGT and CHT instruments.
What MSL altitude can I begin leaning out the Mixture ?
What is the Absolute Ceiling of a Pietenpol ?
What's the highest any of you guys have ever been to ?
Any other suggestions about taking 'er up into the thinner air ?
Might I get too close to the sun ?
The book calls it the Altitude, or Mixture control, and says that when in
flight, the mixture control can be leaned out Only when a higher rpm can be obtained.
Otherwise, set it back to Full Rich.
This carb has what's called the 'Back Suction Type' mixture control. There
is a disk that has a graduation of progressively smaller holes as it is leaned,
which directs air from the float chamber to the venturi suction. I plan
on having a detent for the cable, that will stop the disk directly over the opening.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Chuck "Baby Oil" writes-
>I'm installing a mixture control on my Stromberg NAS3A1 carb
>I'm also installing EGT and CHT instruments.
>What MSL altitude can I begin leaning out the Mixture?
Just like in certified aircraft, there is little or no benefit or effect
below about 5000' MSL, but from there on up you can lean it just like any
other engine. Note that as the density altitude increases, you can begin to
benefit from mixture control at lower AGLs but care is required if the
temperatures are high. The engine will always run cooler with a richer
mixture.
With an EGT, the technique would be the same as in every Cessna or Piper
you've ever flown... lean to peak, then richen back a tad. Or, without EGT,
lean till the engine starts to run rough, then richen back to smooth it out.
IMPORTANT NOTE TO CORVAIR ENGINE FLYERS: due to the higher compression of
the Corvair, it is NOT recommended that you lean the engine without an EGT.
If you lean it till it runs rough, it's likely that you'll experience
detonation before you're able to richen it back up. The lower compression
ratios of the small Continentals allows the "lean till it runs rough"
technique without danger of detonation because the engine will be lean
mis-firing, not detonating. The Corvair can be damaged by detonation if you
lean it till it runs rough "by feel". Use an EGT or run it full rich
(thanks to William Wynne for this technical information on operating the
Corvair).
>What is the Absolute Ceiling of a Pietenpol?
>What's the highest any of you guys have ever been to?
Ask John Dilatush. He had his Turbo Subaru-powered Piet up as high as the
U-2 spy planes fly, but got so cold he couldn't take it so he started back
down... and passed Bruce Bohannon on the way down ;o) Seriously, I think
John has had his Piet up into the "oxygen required" levels.
Note that there is a very good modification to the NAS3A1 to make the
mixture control less touchy and gives it more apparent range. In a
nutshell, it involves lengthening the mixture actuator arm. If you don't
have the details on that, let me know off-list and I'll send you the .pdf
file.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute Ceiling |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Chuck,
I start leaning my 140 (0-200) at 1000'. I have an EGT and it looks like it
needs it.
I would suspect the absolute ceiling of a Piet is around 12000'. Several
years ago I climbed mine up to 7500' and gave up because I was in a T shirt
and the thermometer indicated 38 degrees. It was climbing strong at that
point. Maybe Steve E has flown the highest on his way from Utah in 99.
Ted
> Time: 06:34:20 PM PST US
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A65 Mixture Control & Absolute
Ceiling
>
> I'm installing a mixture control on my Stromberg NAS3A1 carb, in order
to
> fly up at some higher altitudes. I'm also installing EGT and CHT
> instruments.
> What MSL altitude can I begin leaning out the Mixture ?
> What is the Absolute Ceiling of a Pietenpol ?
> What's the highest any of you guys have ever been to ?
> Any other suggestions about taking 'er up into the thinner air
?
> Might I get too close to the sun ?
>
> The book calls it the Altitude, or Mixture control, and says that when
in
> flight, the mixture control can be leaned out Only when a higher rpm can
be
> obtained. Otherwise, set it back to Full Rich.
> This carb has what's called the 'Back Suction Type' mixture control.
> There is a disk that has a graduation of progressively smaller holes as it
is
> leaned, which directs air from the float chamber to the venturi suction.
I plan
>
> on having a detent for the cable, that will stop the disk directly over
the
> opening.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
>
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| Subject: | Re: read this spark plug - slightly OT |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stephen!" <pietenpol@imagesdesavions.com>
DJ Vegh wrote:
> can anyone who has plug reading experience tell me anything about this
> plug. It's from a 2 cycle engine running 30:1 oil mix on Naptha White
> Gas (Coleman camping fuel)
>
> www.azchoppercam.com/plug_large.jpg
Looks pretty clean to me, for a 2-cycle... A bit of carbon build up
around the outside but the important parts look to be in good
condition... How many hours on it?
--
IBA# 11465
http://imagesdesavions.com
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