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1. 04:14 AM - Re: anydoy spin it? (Phillips, Jack)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: Brodhead . . . (Phillips, Jack)
3. 06:27 AM - Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead (Jim Markle)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead (Christian Bobka)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Landing gear setup (Rick Holland)
6. 07:32 AM - Spins (John Dilatush)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Landing gear setup (Christian Bobka)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: Landing gear setup (Christian Bobka)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead (Jim Markle)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead (Gordon Bowen)
11. 10:37 AM - Name Tags (Prange Larry J PSNS)
12. 10:45 AM - autoclave (Christian Bobka)
13. 10:45 AM - Re: Name Tags (Christian Bobka)
14. 12:20 PM - Re: Name Tags (Isablcorky@AOL.COM)
15. 12:51 PM - Re: autoclave (Jim Markle)
16. 01:04 PM - Re: Name Tags (Jim Markle)
17. 01:25 PM - Re: Name Tags (Michael D Cuy)
18. 01:56 PM - Re: Name Tags (John Hofmann)
19. 02:10 PM - Re: autoclave (Gordon Bowen)
20. 02:32 PM - Re: Brodhead . . . (Carl Vought)
21. 02:57 PM - Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead (Dale Johnson)
22. 03:40 PM - need input for my new exhaust stacks (walt evans)
23. 05:25 PM - Re: Brodhead Sustinence (Larry Nelson)
24. 07:12 PM - Re: Brodhead Sustinence (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
25. 09:00 PM - Re: anydoy spin it? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
26. 09:16 PM - Re: Spins (Rcaprd@aol.com)
27. 09:23 PM - Re: Name Tags (Rcaprd@aol.com)
28. 09:33 PM - engines... (Stephen!)
29. 09:56 PM - Re: need input for my new exhaust stacks (Rcaprd@aol.com)
30. 09:59 PM - Re: anydoy spin it? (Graham Hansen)
31. 10:14 PM - Re: anydoy spin it? (Christian Bobka)
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I haven't spun mine yet - don't know if I'm going to.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Bobka
Subject: Pietenpol-List: anydoy spin it?
Anybody do any spins in the Piet? Should I do this during the test
phase or not bother?
Chris
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
BTW - I just looked at your photos Larry. Beautiful job! Looks like
another top quality Piet coming along. I love the engine turning on
your cowlings.
Jack Phillips
See you on Saturday at Brodhead!
Larry Prange
NX1929A
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144
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| Subject: | Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Well, doing a powder coating demo at Brodhead has become a bit of a hassle. You
have to have an oven NOT used for food preparation and since my family is riding
along this year, I won't have room to bring mine. Sorry.
But I'm gettting ready to bag some laminated mahoghany/maple jury struts, approx
1" X 1/4" in size.
So if anyone would like to see that process, let me know. If at least one of you
would like to see how it's done and how I've built my setup (using a freon
pump out of a discarded refrigerator), I'll bring my stuff.
Let me know.
JM
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Jim,
I would like to see the demo on VB.
Too bad they won't let you use the oven in the kitchen there. That is the
one I had used when I did my demo. Brodheaders are still eating the food
that has come from that oven with no adverse effects.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Well, doing a powder coating demo at Brodhead has become a bit of a
hassle. You have to have an oven NOT used for food preparation and since my
family is riding along this year, I won't have room to bring mine. Sorry.
>
> But I'm gettting ready to bag some laminated mahoghany/maple jury struts,
approx 1" X 1/4" in size.
>
> So if anyone would like to see that process, let me know. If at least one
of you would like to see how it's done and how I've built my setup (using a
freon pump out of a discarded refrigerator), I'll bring my stuff.
>
> Let me know.
>
> JM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear setup |
How many "long fuselage" Piet plans are there? I am using the "Supplementary
Plans" long fuselage plans from Don Pietenpol. They show no landing gear
position so I assume the gear is to be identical to the 1933 "short"
fuselage plans.
On 7/12/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
>
> *Rick, Do you mean the longEST fuselage plans?*
> **
> *If you are using the fuselage that is the one that is the longEST at 7"
> over the shortEST, then look at my post a few years back on how we decided
> where the axle should be on Greg and Dale's Piet. The placement is perfect
> as the taxiing with a skid on grass is absolutely superb.*
> **
> *As a good rule of thumb, go out to the field and hold up the tails on a
> bunch of taildraggers like a Cub or a Taylorcraft. Hold it up until the
> longerons are level (as if you were weighing it). The weight on the tail
> wheel is about what you should have if you have the axle placed correctly,
> brakes or no brakes. It should almost balance.*
> **
> *Chris*
> **
> **
> Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:01 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
>
> I am using the long fuselage plans.
>
> On 7/11/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > *Rick,*
> > **
> > *There are three fuselages. Which are you using?*
> > **
> > *the fuselage that appears in the Flying and Glider Manual. The drawings
> > show a wood gear.*
> > **
> > *the fuselage that is on the plans that DP sells. The drawings show the
> > split steel landing gear.*
> > **
> > *the fuselage that was used for the corvair piets. No gear is shown for
> > this fuselage but it is the one most build as it is 7 inches longer or so
> > than the early fuselages.*
> > **
> > *Chris*
> > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2005 8:48 AM
> > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
> >
> > Am starting to plan my landing gear (split gear with the Cub style
> > triangle cabane at the top and springs instead of bungees) and after going
> > through the archives I think I have an idea how to design this but please
> > give me a sanity check. I am using the long fuselage plans.
> >
> > 1) Whether short of long fuselage, axle should be 2" forward of plans
> > location if adding brakes and tail wheel.
> >
> > The short fuselage plans show the axle 17" behind the firewall, the long
> > fuselage plans have the firewall 2" further forward so the standard axle
> > location would be 19" back from the firewall. SO with brakes and tail wheel
> > the axle should be:
> >
> > 15" aft of firewall for short fuse
> > 17" aft of firewall for long fuse
> >
> > Correct?
> >
> > Also since many people increase the front fuse length probably a better
> > measurement point would be the center of the front ash cross member. In that
> > case the axle position would be:
> >
> > 5" aft of the center of the front ash cross member for any fuselage.
> >
> > 2) When I get done with the gear the fuselage should sit on the ground
> > with about a 13 degree deck angle (measured on the top longeron), from the
> > archive info. So if I install the tailwheel and prop up the front of the
> > fuse to a 13 degree angle, place the wheel/tire that I am going to use on
> > the floor under the fuse at the correct 2" forward location THAT is the axle
> > position that I need to build my gear to correct? I can build a Bill
> > Rewey-style jig to hold the axles in that position.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Rick Holland
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
>
--
Rick Holland
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0.94 RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP Received: contains illegal IP address
Chris,
Yes, I spun my "Mountain Piet" both directions.
Stall and entry was sharp and clean, probably due to the relatively sharp leading
edge of the Pietenpol airfoil. The plane wound up very fast which surprised
me. I made a normal recovery after two turns.
The CG was at about 18" aft of the leading edge of the wing and gross at about
1000 lbs when I did this
I didn't check altitude loss on the altimeter, but would judge it to be at least
800 ft for two complete turns with a gentle recovery (max airspeed at about
95 mph) at only about 2.0 g's.
I don't think you need to put spins into your test program except to demonstrate
the abrupt entry characteristic of the plane.
In another matter, I noticed on the list some discussion about the ceiling of a
Piet. I would like to claim the record here if I may, 15,300 feet! Of course
I had a turbocharged Subaru engine. Is this cheating? The plane was still
climbing at this altitude, but I was so damn'd cold, I terminated the experiment.
Cordially,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear setup |
Negative rick. That is not the placement that you would be happy with. I will
dig through the archives and find my post on the subject. Give me til tonight.
If Greg Cardinal were not on vacation, he would have chimed in already with
the details as he is right on top of the numbers.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
How many "long fuselage" Piet plans are there? I am using the "Supplementary
Plans" long fuselage plans from Don Pietenpol. They show no landing gear position
so I assume the gear is to be identical to the 1933 "short" fuselage plans.
On 7/12/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
Rick, Do you mean the longEST fuselage plans?
If you are using the fuselage that is the one that is the longEST at 7" over
the shortEST, then look at my post a few years back on how we decided where
the axle should be on Greg and Dale's Piet. The placement is perfect as the taxiing
with a skid on grass is absolutely superb.
As a good rule of thumb, go out to the field and hold up the tails on a bunch
of taildraggers like a Cub or a Taylorcraft. Hold it up until the longerons
are level (as if you were weighing it). The weight on the tail wheel is about
what you should have if you have the axle placed correctly, brakes or no brakes.
It should almost balance.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
I am using the long fuselage plans.
On 7/11/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
Rick,
There are three fuselages. Which are you using?
the fuselage that appears in the Flying and Glider Manual. The drawings
show a wood gear.
the fuselage that is on the plans that DP sells. The drawings show the
split steel landing gear.
the fuselage that was used for the corvair piets. No gear is shown for
this fuselage but it is the one most build as it is 7 inches longer or so than
the early fuselages.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
Am starting to plan my landing gear (split gear with the Cub style triangle
cabane at the top and springs instead of bungees) and after going through
the archives I think I have an idea how to design this but please give me a
sanity check. I am using the long fuselage plans.
1) Whether short of long fuselage, axle should be 2" forward of plans
location if adding brakes and tail wheel.
The short fuselage plans show the axle 17" behind the firewall, the long
fuselage plans have the firewall 2" further forward so the standard axle location
would be 19" back from the firewall. SO with brakes and tail wheel the
axle should be:
15" aft of firewall for short fuse
17" aft of firewall for long fuse
Correct?
Also since many people increase the front fuse length probably a better
measurement point would be the center of the front ash cross member. In that
case the axle position would be:
5" aft of the center of the front ash cross member for any fuselage.
2) When I get done with the gear the fuselage should sit on the ground
with about a 13 degree deck angle (measured on the top longeron), from the archive
info. So if I install the tailwheel and prop up the front of the fuse to
a 13 degree angle, place the wheel/tire that I am going to use on the floor
under the fuse at the correct 2" forward location THAT is the axle position that
I need to build my gear to correct? I can build a Bill Rewey-style jig to hold
the axles in that position.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
--
Rick Holland
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear setup |
And Rick, what you are using is the longEST fuselage which is what Greg and Dale
used so we are now on the same page.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
How many "long fuselage" Piet plans are there? I am using the "Supplementary
Plans" long fuselage plans from Don Pietenpol. They show no landing gear position
so I assume the gear is to be identical to the 1933 "short" fuselage plans.
On 7/12/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
Rick, Do you mean the longEST fuselage plans?
If you are using the fuselage that is the one that is the longEST at 7" over
the shortEST, then look at my post a few years back on how we decided where
the axle should be on Greg and Dale's Piet. The placement is perfect as the taxiing
with a skid on grass is absolutely superb.
As a good rule of thumb, go out to the field and hold up the tails on a bunch
of taildraggers like a Cub or a Taylorcraft. Hold it up until the longerons
are level (as if you were weighing it). The weight on the tail wheel is about
what you should have if you have the axle placed correctly, brakes or no brakes.
It should almost balance.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
I am using the long fuselage plans.
On 7/11/05, Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net> wrote:
Rick,
There are three fuselages. Which are you using?
the fuselage that appears in the Flying and Glider Manual. The drawings
show a wood gear.
the fuselage that is on the plans that DP sells. The drawings show the
split steel landing gear.
the fuselage that was used for the corvair piets. No gear is shown for
this fuselage but it is the one most build as it is 7 inches longer or so than
the early fuselages.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup
Am starting to plan my landing gear (split gear with the Cub style triangle
cabane at the top and springs instead of bungees) and after going through
the archives I think I have an idea how to design this but please give me a
sanity check. I am using the long fuselage plans.
1) Whether short of long fuselage, axle should be 2" forward of plans
location if adding brakes and tail wheel.
The short fuselage plans show the axle 17" behind the firewall, the long
fuselage plans have the firewall 2" further forward so the standard axle location
would be 19" back from the firewall. SO with brakes and tail wheel the
axle should be:
15" aft of firewall for short fuse
17" aft of firewall for long fuse
Correct?
Also since many people increase the front fuse length probably a better
measurement point would be the center of the front ash cross member. In that
case the axle position would be:
5" aft of the center of the front ash cross member for any fuselage.
2) When I get done with the gear the fuselage should sit on the ground
with about a 13 degree deck angle (measured on the top longeron), from the archive
info. So if I install the tailwheel and prop up the front of the fuse to
a 13 degree angle, place the wheel/tire that I am going to use on the floor
under the fuse at the correct 2" forward location THAT is the axle position that
I need to build my gear to correct? I can build a Bill Rewey-style jig to hold
the axles in that position.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
--
Rick Holland
--
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I would like to see the demo on VB.
Too bad they won't let you use the oven in the kitchen there. That is the
one I had used when I did my demo. Brodheaders are still eating the food
that has come from that oven with no adverse effects.
I didn't even ask them if I could use it. I'm just getting too old to want to
deal with any "hey, this PROBABLY won't be a problem" types of dilemmas......
I'll pack my vacuum bagging setup.
So I'll plan on 2:00pm Friday afternoon and 2:00pm Saturday afternoon. If anyone
wants to bring some wood they want to laminate or join, bring it! My vacuum
bags are 18"wide X 10'long so a pretty big part can be joined. Actually, I
bagged two pieces of Ash for the lower piece of my straight axle landing gear
and it was a quick, painless process. I think someone calculated that vacuum
bagging results in a perfectly uniform 1800psi pressure over the entire part.
Neat process!
If anyone is interested, here are a couple links for more info:
<http://www.pilotsguide.com/rc/vacbag.shtml>
<http://users.pandora.be/Toothless/Toothless/pages/instructions/vacuum/vacuum.html>
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Jim,
It would be a very remarkable feat to get 1800 psi out of vac bagging,
considering atmospheric pressure is approx. 14 psi. (one bar). Perhaps
whoever calculated this number meant a part that was 1800/14= 129 square
inches of surface area had a total accummulate pressure of 1800 lbs., but
not psi. In the composites commerical/mil. aviation world, many parts are
vac bagged, put into a pressure autoclave at 5-7 bars of pressure and heat
cured. Maybe with a little engineering and that freon pump, the oven at
Brodhead could be turned into a real autoclave.
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> I would like to see the demo on VB.
>
> Too bad they won't let you use the oven in the kitchen there. That is the
> one I had used when I did my demo. Brodheaders are still eating the food
> that has come from that oven with no adverse effects.
>
>
> I didn't even ask them if I could use it. I'm just getting too old to
want to deal with any "hey, this PROBABLY won't be a problem" types of
dilemmas......
> I'll pack my vacuum bagging setup.
> So I'll plan on 2:00pm Friday afternoon and 2:00pm Saturday afternoon. If
anyone wants to bring some wood they want to laminate or join, bring it! My
vacuum bags are 18"wide X 10'long so a pretty big part can be joined.
Actually, I bagged two pieces of Ash for the lower piece of my straight axle
landing gear and it was a quick, painless process. I think someone
calculated that vacuum bagging results in a perfectly uniform 1800psi
pressure over the entire part. Neat process!
> If anyone is interested, here are a couple links for more info:
>
> <http://www.pilotsguide.com/rc/vacbag.shtml>
>
<http://users.pandora.be/Toothless/Toothless/pages/instructions/vacuum/vacuu
m.html>
>
> Jim
>
>
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Old-X-N-Score: scored -400
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Good idea Chris. I'll wear one. It would be a shame to walk right by one
of you and not know it. Any of us, who don't mind being recognized as part
of our list, should wear one. Mine will say: "Larry Prange - Piet List"
CUThere!
Larry
NX1929A
Time: 03:22:59 PM PST US
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
People: Please. If you go to Brodhead, wear a name tag!
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
Larry,
Your description will match about 100 others there. You might want to
write "LARRY" in magic marker on your forehead. Or just wander like all and
be
friendly. It's not quite as big as OSH afterall.
See you there
I'll be the one with the Piet Tee shirt and camera.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prange Larry J PSNS" <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
<prangel@psns.navy.mil>
FINALLY!!! I have been working on my Piet since 1997. (Yea I know,
that's sometime in the last century.) I have endured mountains of
honey-dos
and life-events that have stretched my Piet project out to where it is now
gaining on the decade mark. And every year, I have watched this list
with envy as many of you have prepared for the annual pilgrimage to
Brodhead.
It just hasn't been in the cards for me UNTIL NOW! YES! I get to go this
year! I have the tickets! After all of this time I will get to meet
some of you in the flesh and actually touch a flying Piet. I'll try to make
myself obvious by wearing my red/tan '75th Anniversary' Piet hat, that I
bought from Steve Eldredge, one of my Piet T shirts that I have
collected over the years and, of course, my camera to document the event.
So, if you see a middle-aged guy walking around with a silly, ear-to-ear
kid-grin, dressed like that, walk up to him and introduce yourself. It's
very likely to be me. Let's talk Piets!
See you on Saturday at Brodhead!
Larry Prange
NX1929A
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144
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Gordon,
It is apparent from what I have read that epoxy curing at elevated temperatures
is superior to curing at lower (read room) temperature. What are your ideas
for an autoclave set up using an oven and a freon pump?
Chris
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
I will be wearing my "campaign hat" with all my name tags on it as well as
other medallions.
Cheers,
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prange Larry J PSNS" <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Name Tags
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
<prangel@psns.navy.mil>
>
> Good idea Chris. I'll wear one. It would be a shame to walk right by one
> of you and not know it. Any of us, who don't mind being recognized as
part
> of our list, should wear one. Mine will say: "Larry Prange - Piet List"
>
> CUThere!
> Larry
> NX1929A
>
> Time: 03:22:59 PM PST US
> From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
>
> People: Please. If you go to Brodhead, wear a name tag!
>
> Chris
>
> Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
>
> Larry,
> Your description will match about 100 others there. You might want to
> write "LARRY" in magic marker on your forehead. Or just wander like all
and
> be
> friendly. It's not quite as big as OSH afterall.
> See you there
> I'll be the one with the Piet Tee shirt and camera.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Prange Larry J PSNS" <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:52 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
>
> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
> <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
>
> FINALLY!!! I have been working on my Piet since 1997. (Yea I know,
> that's sometime in the last century.) I have endured mountains of
> honey-dos
> and life-events that have stretched my Piet project out to where it is now
> gaining on the decade mark. And every year, I have watched this list
> with envy as many of you have prepared for the annual pilgrimage to
> Brodhead.
> It just hasn't been in the cards for me UNTIL NOW! YES! I get to go
this
> year! I have the tickets! After all of this time I will get to meet
> some of you in the flesh and actually touch a flying Piet. I'll try to
make
> myself obvious by wearing my red/tan '75th Anniversary' Piet hat, that I
> bought from Steve Eldredge, one of my Piet T shirts that I have
> collected over the years and, of course, my camera to document the event.
>
> So, if you see a middle-aged guy walking around with a silly, ear-to-ear
> kid-grin, dressed like that, walk up to him and introduce yourself. It's
> very likely to be me. Let's talk Piets!
>
> See you on Saturday at Brodhead!
>
> Larry Prange
> NX1929A
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144
>
>
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Pieters,
Sometimes you just can't win. Isabelle and I had decided to try and make one
last long driving trip in the old Buick Master Six. Had a La Kernal hat and
Isabelle had her little pink picnic hat. Had name tags left from an old army
reunion in New Orleans and a few Piet pictures to show and tell.
But: the old Buick tires are showing cords on the fronts and there are no
6;50-20 tires or tubes available so I guess we will just have to wait for Smokey
Gantzers reports from on site. Would like to have returned to Brodhead and
see again Joe Czaplicki, John Fay, Flyboy120 and wife,Chuck Gantzer, Jim
Markle, Ted Brossseau and the two fine gentlemen we met in 2000 from Wyoming to
remember a few. And to meet as many Pieters as possible in a day or two. But to
repeat, sometimes you just can't win. All of you flying be careful. At a
gathering of this sort one may be tempted to maybe, just maybe, want to SHOW OFF
a bit. That's when bad things happen so just fly safely and stay within
YOUR proven limits.
That ole Kernal sipping mint julips in Louisiana
Die Fidelen Achtziger
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I'm going to wear one that says WWBD (What Would Bernard Do?)
wider fuse?
different airfoil?
wire wheels or cub landing gear?
taller cabanes?
tailwheel or skid?
longer fuse?
milk jugs in the wing?
smoke system?
house paint?
(actually, I'm going to do ALL of the above......)
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Prange Larry J PSNS <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Name Tags
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Good idea Chris. I'll wear one. It would be a shame to walk right by one
of you and not know it. Any of us, who don't mind being recognized as part
of our list, should wear one. Mine will say: "Larry Prange - Piet List"
CUThere!
Larry
NX1929A
Time: 03:22:59 PM PST US
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
People: Please. If you go to Brodhead, wear a name tag!
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
Larry,
Your description will match about 100 others there. You might want to
write "LARRY" in magic marker on your forehead. Or just wander like all and
be
friendly. It's not quite as big as OSH afterall.
See you there
I'll be the one with the Piet Tee shirt and camera.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prange Larry J PSNS" <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
<prangel@psns.navy.mil>
FINALLY!!! I have been working on my Piet since 1997. (Yea I know,
that's sometime in the last century.) I have endured mountains of
honey-dos
and life-events that have stretched my Piet project out to where it is now
gaining on the decade mark. And every year, I have watched this list
with envy as many of you have prepared for the annual pilgrimage to
Brodhead.
It just hasn't been in the cards for me UNTIL NOW! YES! I get to go this
year! I have the tickets! After all of this time I will get to meet
some of you in the flesh and actually touch a flying Piet. I'll try to make
myself obvious by wearing my red/tan '75th Anniversary' Piet hat, that I
bought from Steve Eldredge, one of my Piet T shirts that I have
collected over the years and, of course, my camera to document the event.
So, if you see a middle-aged guy walking around with a silly, ear-to-ear
kid-grin, dressed like that, walk up to him and introduce yourself. It's
very likely to be me. Let's talk Piets!
See you on Saturday at Brodhead!
Larry Prange
NX1929A
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144
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nk.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
JIm--- I'm wearing one that says purists are constipated:)
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
I'll have my MAAC badge - S.O.A.A.T.W.O.T.D. (Shiny Old Airplanes Are The
Work Of The Devil).
Do Not Archive
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> JIm--- I'm wearing one that says purists are constipated:)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Chris,
It's the chemical nature of hand laminating epoxy resins available to the average
homebuilder to have chemically fixed upper limit on the heat distortion temperature
(HDT) of the laminate. Epoxies are formulated for various reasons.
In the comm/mil spec market, they want a resin system impregnated on the fabric
(glass, carbon or kevlar) that will withstand 250F or 350F or better for high
heat applications. These commerical resin systems are multifunctional epoxies
cured with anhydrides and always cured in a pressure autoclave with vacuum
on the part and heat. The homebuilder resins are difunctional epoxies with reactive
diluents that are cured with amines. Generally the top limit this chemistry
allows is about 180F. The hand laminating systems are generally aimed at
providing the homebuilder:around 1200 cps mixed viscosity (so the system will
wet out the fabric), 45 min to 1.5 hrs of gel time (so the system can be hand
applied, 6-12 hrs cure time (so the part can be worked by trimming etc.), and
7-14 day "full" cure at room temp 25C. Full cure means it's a functional part
that won't creep or plastic deform. All these resin systems have a fixed Temperature
of Glass Transition (Tg). The Tg is the point were the resin system
goes from "glass like" to "rubberlike"........it's about 180F. A lot of guys
in the composites homebuilding business, use ovens and molds to get the laminate
to it's max HDT and the resin to it's max Tg. They keep the vac bag on and
simple build an "oven" out of their workbenchs with insulation boards around
the outside and an electric heater under the bench with the part being cured.
The trick is keeping the part in the shape you want until you've post cured
it. This is normally done by keeping it on the mold, or somehow stablized until
it's been heated to HDT max.. The physical properties of any laminate are
dependent on: keeping the resin content about 40%, and the HDT max. attained.
Most problems come with getting the laminate too heavy with resin, true vac bagging
pulls this excess resin into a bleeder blanket. I think a freon pump out
of an old refrig is a niffty idea, wish I had thought of it. Vac bagging supplies
are expensive but available from AirTech in So. Ca., they're the world
leader in these supplies and training aids. Vac bagging is difficult to learn
on complex parts, it takes a bunch of practice. You cannot have leaks or the
resin will flow away from the leaking area of the bag and into your pump. Leaving
areas of the laminate poor in resin content and rich in others. Materials
needed are: 1) teflon coated peel ply, 2) perforated teflon thin clear films,
3) bleeder blanket, 5) vac bag made normally with nylon thin films, 6) sealing
tapes made from tacky isobutyl rubbers, 7) a device to penetrate the bag
and apply vacuum, 8) a vacuum trap, incase you get resin flowing too much, 9)
vac hoses and 10) a pump.
In my business career I made a heck of a lot of vac bagged and autoclaved parts,
it's not easy to learn, but will give you max physical properties on your laminate.
You can do almost as well simply by concentrating on make nice "dry"
laminates keeping the resin content less than 45% of the weight of the laminate,
and post cure heating with a makeshift oven/workbench.
Hope this is helpful.
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: autoclave
Gordon,
It is apparent from what I have read that epoxy curing at elevated temperatures
is superior to curing at lower (read room) temperature. What are your ideas
for an autoclave set up using an oven and a freon pump?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead . . . |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Larry...Nicely done!!! The Piet as well as the photos......my hat's
off....Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Prange Larry J PSNS" <prangel@psns.navy.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead . . .
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J PSNS
<prangel@psns.navy.mil>
>
> FINALLY!!! I have been working on my Piet since 1997. (Yea I know,
that's
> sometime in the last century.) I have endured mountains of honey-dos and
> life-events that have stretched my Piet project out to where it is now
> gaining on the decade mark. And every year, I have watched this list with
> envy as many of you have prepared for the annual pilgrimage to Brodhead.
It
> just hasn't been in the cards for me UNTIL NOW! YES! I get to go this
> year! I have the tickets! After all of this time I will get to meet some
> of you in the flesh and actually touch a flying Piet. I'll try to make
> myself obvious by wearing my red/tan '75th Anniversary' Piet hat, that I
> bought from Steve Eldredge, one of my Piet T shirts that I have collected
> over the years and, of course, my camera to document the event.
>
> So, if you see a middle-aged guy walking around with a silly, ear-to-ear
> kid-grin, dressed like that, walk up to him and introduce yourself. It's
> very likely to be me. Let's talk Piets!
>
> See you on Saturday at Brodhead!
>
> Larry Prange
> NX1929A
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144
>
>
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| Subject: | Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
Hi Jim
I for one would like to see how VB works . I would like to use it on my
next prop lamination.
Dale In Mpls
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/13/2005 8:23:57 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vacuum Bagging mini-seminar at Brodhead
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Well, doing a powder coating demo at Brodhead has become a bit of a
hassle. You have to have an oven NOT used for food preparation and since
my family is riding along this year, I won't have room to bring mine.
Sorry.
>
> But I'm gettting ready to bag some laminated mahoghany/maple jury struts,
approx 1" X 1/4" in size.
>
> So if anyone would like to see that process, let me know. If at least
one of you would like to see how it's done and how I've built my setup
(using a freon pump out of a discarded refrigerator), I'll bring my stuff.
>
> Let me know.
>
> JM
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | need input for my new exhaust stacks |
Right now I have swept back stacks with a heat muff on both sides, fashioned after
Tony B's heat muff design. All works great, with ample heat for carb and
cabin. Problem is that now that I'm taking passengers, the stacks exit about
24 inches from their mic and the conversation is very limited. ( after 2 flights,
my throat is horse)
Just ordered the flanges and bent pipe pieces from JC Whitney to make a new design.
I'm thinking of an Areonca type design (two pipes into one and going down
to the lower fuse cowling to dump the sound out the bottom.) Even thought of
a small muffler on each stack, but the right size doesn't seem to be available.
Anyone have any tidbits of information to add to make the design better?
Thanks,
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Sustinence |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Last year, my buds and me starved whilst many were
feasting. Why? Because we neglected to buy our meal
tickets. So, this year, we don't want that to happen.
As I recall, the local chapter serves meals all day
with one big feast. Yes?
I will be flying my C-195 but my heart will be with
N444MH, Howard Henderson's old plane which I own, but
have yet to fly, although I have completed the
relocation of the wing 3" aft. My name is also Larry
and I always have "Larry" written on MY forehead, so
please don't mistake me for the better looking Larry
who may also have "Larry" written on HIS forehead.
We will be there Friday afternoon. Save some food.
Then it is to OSH Sunday morning.
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Sustinence |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
There is a pretty good coffee/sandwich shop in downtown Brodhead, just past
the square.
Dennis in St.Louis...who will be wearing a tie dyed shirt. It is too late to
get my motto printed on a shirt: " Sanity is highly overrated!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Sustinence
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Last year, my buds and me starved whilst many were
> feasting. Why? Because we neglected to buy our meal
> tickets. So, this year, we don't want that to happen.
> As I recall, the local chapter serves meals all day
> with one big feast. Yes?
>
> I will be flying my C-195 but my heart will be with
> N444MH, Howard Henderson's old plane which I own, but
> have yet to fly, although I have completed the
> relocation of the wing 3" aft. My name is also Larry
> and I always have "Larry" written on MY forehead, so
> please don't mistake me for the better looking Larry
> who may also have "Larry" written on HIS forehead.
>
> We will be there Friday afternoon. Save some food.
> Then it is to OSH Sunday morning.
>
>
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: anydoy spin it? |
In a message dated 7/12/2005 7:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,
sbobka@charter.net writes:
Anybody do any spins in the Piet? Should I do this during the test phase or
not bother?
Chris
I haven't spun my plane, mainly because I have never spun any plane. With
enough spin training in something like a J3 Cub, I would feel better about doing
it. Untill then, no intentional spinning for me !!
Chuck G.
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In a message dated 7/13/2005 9:33:55 AM Central Standard Time,
dilatush@amigo.net writes:
In another matter, I noticed on the list some discussion about the ceiling of
a Piet. I would like to claim the record here if I may, 15,300 feet! Of
course I had a turbocharged Subaru engine. Is this cheating? The plane was
still climbing at this altitude, but I was so damn'd cold, I terminated the
experiment.
Cordially,
John
Well John, ya probably got me there !! How much horsepower do you suppose
the engine was putting out at 15,000 feet ? No doubt, my 65 hp would run out of
Umph, before I got 'er up that high.
Chuck G.
Planning on some high altitude tests this weekend. Will report results.
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I'll be wearing a Red Pietenpol AirCamper. Not sure if I should wear a name
tag, though...ya see, there were a couple of cowboys out riding their horses
over there, and, well...never mind.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stephen!" <pietenpol@imagesdesavions.com>
Has anyone tried putting a BMW motorcycle boxer engine in one of
these machines?
--
IBA# 11465
http://imagesdesavions.com
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| Subject: | Re: need input for my new exhaust stacks |
In a message dated 7/13/2005 5:42:25 PM Central Standard Time,
wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
Right now I have swept back stacks with a heat muff on both sides, fashioned
after Tony B's heat muff design. All works great, with ample heat for carb
and cabin. Problem is that now that I'm taking passengers, the stacks exit
about 24 inches from their mic and the conversation is very limited. ( after 2
flights, my throat is horse)
Just ordered the flanges and bent pipe pieces from JC Whitney to make a new
design. I'm thinking of an Areonca type design (two pipes into one and going
down to the lower fuse cowling to dump the sound out the bottom.) Even thought
of a small muffler on each stack, but the right size doesn't seem to be
available.
Anyone have any tidbits of information to add to make the design better?
Thanks,
walt evans
NX140DL
Walt,
I built my exhaust kind of similar to Aeronca stacks. Two into one, on each
side. They point down, aft and out a little bit. For the bend out, I used
the left over piece of fuel tank filler neck, from the pieces I used when I
built the two fuel tanks. These pieces had a bell mouth on them. I re-bent the
bell mouth outlet into a kind of four sided scallop outlet, without reducing
the outlet area, which breaks up the sound waves, and helps reduce the exhaust
noise. Steve Wittman came up with rectangle shaped outlets, to reduce exhaust
exhaust noise, and it does work a little bit. I noticed a reduced noise
difference, after I re-bent the bell mouth outlet into the four sided scallop
shape. Carb heat left side, no cabin heat. Smoke injects on both aft pipes, about
1 1/2" to 2" from the flange. I cut a 1/8" pipe coupler in half, welded
each half to each aft pipe, pointing inboard, drilled a #60 hole through the pipe
after the welding was complete. I use a windshield washer pump to inject the
'Baby Oil'.
I'm going to use the aft right pipe for the EGT probe, 6" from the
flange, and see how the upstream smoke injector effects the EGT.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Chris,
Some time ago I posted a note on spinning a Pietenpol in which I described the
experience of a friend who spun his Piet with a passenger in the front pit. He
started the spin at about 5000' agl, it went flat, and he tried everything to
break the spin, finally recovering with not more than 1000 feet of altitude remaining.
At the time he was a flying instructor and, at the time he told me this
story, he was (and still is) an airline pilot. To this day, he doesn't know
how he managed to recover from that spin.
If you peruse the archives, you may find my earlier posting on this.
In the nearly thirty-five years I have been flying my Pietenpol, I have never allowed
it to get into a fully-developed spin. Only the entry phase has been explored.
I suppose that if I had room for a parachute I might have tried spinning
it---but the weight of the 'chute would have moved the CG further aft. Not
good!
When I owned my Luscombe 8E, I would periodically practice spins and recovery.
Being a certificated airplane, the Luscombe's spinning behaviour is predictable.
I know lots of people have spun Pietenpols successfully, but no two Pietenpols
are exactly alike and there could be some nasty surprises lurking out there.
Me? I'm "chicken"!
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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CLuck CLuck! I still don;t know what I will do. Probably no spins.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hansen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: anydoy spin it?
Chris,
Some time ago I posted a note on spinning a Pietenpol in which I described the
experience of a friend who spun his Piet with a passenger in the front pit.
He started the spin at about 5000' agl, it went flat, and he tried everything
to break the spin, finally recovering with not more than 1000 feet of altitude
remaining. At the time he was a flying instructor and, at the time he told me
this story, he was (and still is) an airline pilot. To this day, he doesn't know
how he managed to recover from that spin.
If you peruse the archives, you may find my earlier posting on this.
In the nearly thirty-five years I have been flying my Pietenpol, I have never
allowed it to get into a fully-developed spin. Only the entry phase has been
explored. I suppose that if I had room for a parachute I might have tried spinning
it---but the weight of the 'chute would have moved the CG further aft. Not
good!
When I owned my Luscombe 8E, I would periodically practice spins and recovery.
Being a certificated airplane, the Luscombe's spinning behaviour is predictable.
I know lots of people have spun Pietenpols successfully, but no two Pietenpols
are exactly alike and there could be some nasty surprises lurking out there.
Me? I'm "chicken"!
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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