---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/23/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:28 AM - Brodhead (rhartwig11@juno.com) 2. 04:52 AM - Diesel Piet (M&M Stanley) 3. 10:56 AM - for sale: Model A Engine w/ Lots of Piet accessories (Richard deCosta) 4. 11:01 AM - Progressed to rear cockpit (Norman Stapelberg) 5. 05:58 PM - Re: Smokey Gantzer (Christian Bobka) 6. 06:06 PM - Re: Brodhead (Christian Bobka) 7. 06:38 PM - Re: Brodhead (Textor, Jack) 8. 06:56 PM - Re: engines (Christian Bobka) 9. 09:37 PM - Best event ever? (Christian Bobka) 10. 11:05 PM - Re: Landing gear setup () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: rhartwig11@juno.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Lynn, The attendance numbers at Brodhead seem to be down quite a bit from last year. Reason--gas prices??? I did not count the Piets in attendance, but I would guess about 10 transient Pietenpols. There was a project on display with a complete William Wynne Corvair hanging on the firewall. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:27 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Diesel Piet Hi Juan I had a look in Tony Bingelis 's book, "Firewall Forward" and the picture that I wrote about is on page 21. There is a small round badge near the top of the radiator which looks like it may be an early style Mercedes Benz badge but I'm not certain, anyway, it looks interesting. Mark S Japan ( just another earthquake today and typhoon # 7 on the way...oh such fun!! ) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:35 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4JQAbZuw6w3ldgZX9uZPQZNAUesYAKFtOFgQKoiOTYwOaBCTu76EEAvw6U5QRs2ACRADKbgxVUjqoDTUO7wVWWdd+KN/G/WpLxUFEIDS0QyuMaKahFyj6UkU11twYsUb1uKtAs5uv29VVuwLQrD4ktASo7rIH+qkh/KwS2wt09M= ; From: Richard deCosta Subject: Pietenpol-List: for sale: Model A Engine w/ Lots of Piet accessories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard deCosta Available on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4564268161 Or outside of eBay for $1250. I am selling it because I've decided to use a Continental engine in my Piet instead. Richard Manager, Drummer African Gospel Rhythms www.AfricanGospelRhythms.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:29 AM PST US From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progressed to rear cockpit Hi Pieters I've progressed to the rear cockpit today, not bad considering the wind was 310/13 and I was flying of runway 03, had to cut the lesson short (radio inaudible). Here is where I need some advice, It seems the has gone on the blink that or the intercom, the intercom seems to be fine between pilot and co-pilot, on transmit the other traffic can't make out a word . on the first lesson the traffic says that a couple of words come through then fade away, on the second lesson just a squeal came through. What the hell could be the problem hope it is not the radio (Micro Air 760 ) I am now considering fitting my hand held ICOM A20. Thanks in advance Norman ZS-VJA South Africa ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:30 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1333234176:sNHT20576616" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smokey Gantzer Corky, They were. Chuck had to buy another dozen bottles of baby oil. 19 ships. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smokey Gantzer The skies over Brodhead should be very smoky about now. Should have arrived at 1540. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:29 PM PST US d="scan'208"; a="1164145565:sNHT19545372" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Actually, Dick, there were 19. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com > > Lynn, > The attendance numbers at Brodhead seem to be down quite a bit from last > year. Reason--gas prices??? > I did not count the Piets in attendance, but I would guess about 10 > transient Pietenpols. There was a project on display with a complete > William Wynne Corvair hanging on the firewall. > Dick Hartwig > Waunakee, WI > rhartwig11@juno.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:00 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: "Textor, Jack" Hi Dick and Lynn, I just got back (Saturday). I would agree with Dick, it was a little light, but quality, that's what counts! Mike Cuy and a couple more showed up later Friday. Sorry I missed talking with you Mike. The reason for my early departure was the cruddy weather Saturday, lots of thunderstorms. Jim Markle's demo on vacuum bagging was excellent and the last I heard the Corvair guys were going to meet at about 2:00 Saturday. Dick, I was sorry to miss you, I did see your truck but couldn't find you. I did shoot some video last night and if I can get it on the computer, would be glad to share. Will let you know. Night all, I'm beat! Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Lynn, The attendance numbers at Brodhead seem to be down quite a bit from last year. Reason--gas prices??? I did not count the Piets in attendance, but I would guess about 10 transient Pietenpols. There was a project on display with a complete William Wynne Corvair hanging on the firewall. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:51 PM PST US d="scan'208"; a="1204186170:sNHT19902236" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Oscar, Good that you are catching up on your reading while everybody is away. We saw Jukius this morning but the motor was in Texas. chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: engines > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Well, here's another one. I was reading "To Fly" last night and saw a piece > by local EAA 35 member Julius Junge about his 1912 Curtiss Gordon Bennet Cup > racer replica. Here's what he says about the engine he's putting in it. > Not a diesel, but another thought: > > "I was put onto the GM Vortec 3000 industrial engine by Matt Naiva, an SAA > member in Wisconsin. When I saw the numbers on the engine, I was sold. It > is a 3 liter, four cylinder inline that produces 163 ft.-lbs. of torque at > 1600 RPM. The torque curve is flat up to 3000 RPM. I did not know that > there was any modern engine that would do this. With an 82" prop (!) and > the engine turning about 1580 RPM at full throttle, I am measuring over 400 > lbs. of thrust. If there is a shortcoming, it might be the weight of the > engine. Less flywheel and manifold it weighs 275 lbs., but the original > engine on the Curtiss weighed in at a hefty 390 lbs. stripped. > > The engine comes with flywheel and manifold but no carb, fuel pump, nor > water pump pulley. The engine is an industrial engine and will run on > gasoline, propane, or natural gas so no carb nor fuel pump is provided. > This is up to the ultimate user. The engine is ued by Hyster forklifts, > Mercruiser, and has other ag and industrial uses. I got a fuel pump form > Hyster. A water pump pulley came from a wrecking yard. The engine comes > with an HEI system. I did not relish hand propping the engine with 8 > degrees of advance. A search of the Internet turned up a 1967 Chevy II > distributor that is an exact replacement. This has both mechanical and > vacuum advance and so far has worked quite well. I have been using an HS6 > SU carb on the engine. It works well on the upper end but I am not too > happy with the idle. I am going to try a Harley Davidson carb as soon as I > can take the engine outside to run it. I removed the heavy flywheel and > cast iron manifold. The flywheel was replaced with the prop hub and > adapter. Another, lighter manifold was built from tubing. Oh yes... the > engine cost $1595 in the crate." > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:03 PM PST US d="scan'208,217"; a="1341806538:sNHT20363116" From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best event ever? It appears that this was the best Brodhead turnout in the nine years that Greg Cardinal has been attending the event. Chris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:34 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup Long fuselage (per Don P.'s supplemental plans), A-65 engine, axle located 20" aft of the firewall has resulted in very good ground handling. With the plane level there is 15# on the skid. With a 220+ lb pilot the plane is quite maneuverable on the ground (no brakes, tailskid equipped) Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup Negative rick. That is not the placement that you would be happy with. I will dig through the archives and find my post on the subject. Give me til tonight. If Greg Cardinal were not on vacation, he would have chimed in already with the details as he is right on top of the numbers. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup How many "long fuselage" Piet plans are there? I am using the "Supplementary Plans" long fuselage plans from Don Pietenpol. They show no landing gear position so I assume the gear is to be identical to the 1933 "short" fuselage plans. On 7/12/05, Christian Bobka wrote: Rick, Do you mean the longEST fuselage plans? If you are using the fuselage that is the one that is the longEST at 7" over the shortEST, then look at my post a few years back on how we decided where the axle should be on Greg and Dale's Piet. The placement is perfect as the taxiing with a skid on grass is absolutely superb. As a good rule of thumb, go out to the field and hold up the tails on a bunch of taildraggers like a Cub or a Taylorcraft. Hold it up until the longerons are level (as if you were weighing it). The weight on the tail wheel is about what you should have if you have the axle placed correctly, brakes or no brakes. It should almost balance. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup I am using the long fuselage plans. On 7/11/05, Christian Bobka wrote: Rick, There are three fuselages. Which are you using? the fuselage that appears in the Flying and Glider Manual. The drawings show a wood gear. the fuselage that is on the plans that DP sells. The drawings show the split steel landing gear. the fuselage that was used for the corvair piets. No gear is shown for this fuselage but it is the one most build as it is 7 inches longer or so than the early fuselages. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear setup Am starting to plan my landing gear (split gear with the Cub style triangle cabane at the top and springs instead of bungees) and after going through the archives I think I have an idea how to design this but please give me a sanity check. I am using the long fuselage plans. 1) Whether short of long fuselage, axle should be 2" forward of plans location if adding brakes and tail wheel. The short fuselage plans show the axle 17" behind the firewall, the long fuselage plans have the firewall 2" further forward so the standard axle location would be 19" back from the firewall. SO with brakes and tail wheel the axle should be: 15" aft of firewall for short fuse 17" aft of firewall for long fuse Correct? Also since many people increase the front fuse length probably a better measurement point would be the center of the front ash cross member. In that case the axle position would be: 5" aft of the center of the front ash cross member for any fuselage. 2) When I get done with the gear the fuselage should sit on the ground with about a 13 degree deck angle (measured on the top longeron), from the archive info. So if I install the tailwheel and prop up the front of the fuse to a 13 degree angle, place the wheel/tire that I am going to use on the floor under the fuse at the correct 2" forward location THAT is the axle position that I need to build my gear to correct? I can build a Bill Rewey-style jig to hold the axles in that position. Thanks -- Rick Holland -- Rick Holland -- Rick Holland