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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Hello everyone!! (Butch Pennewell)
2. 06:24 AM - weight savings (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Hello everyone!! (Pietspeir@aol.com)
4. 04:57 PM - Re: Hello everyone!! ()
5. 04:57 PM - Re: engines ()
6. 04:57 PM - Re: Hello everyone!! ()
7. 04:57 PM - Re: Diesel Piet (Juan D. Goyeni)
8. 05:45 PM - Re: weight savings ()
9. 06:04 PM - Re: Aluminum fuel tank (Dick Navratil)
10. 07:23 PM - Brodhead (Ed G.)
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| Subject: | Re: Hello everyone!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Butch Pennewell" <kmodairy@centurytel.net>
I thought about the small Mercedes that they put on the Thermo-King
refrigeration trailers, but like you said it may be a little wimpy.
Butch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello everyone!!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale Johnson"
<ddjohn@earthlink.net>
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> Hi Juan
> There was a deisel pietenpol powered by a Mercedes-Benz 4 banger.It was
> under powered.
> I think a 5 banger would work.
> Go for it.
> Dale in Mpls Mn.
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 7/21/2005 10:09:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello everyone!!
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil"
> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> >
> > Hi Juan
> > Welcome to the list. I dont have any info on the deisel but I think it
> > would be a good idea. Please keep us informed on what you find.
> > Dick N.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Juan D. Goyen" <goyeni@adinet.com.uy>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:14 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello everyone!!
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> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> > > <goyeni@adinet.com.uy>
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> > > Hello Pieters:
> > > I am new in this list and I participate from Uruguay in the South of
> South
> > > America.
> > > Pietenpol is a fantastic machine. Since it can take a great weight in
> its
> > > nose I think about using a modern diesel engine with reduction drive.
> > > Somebody in the list has proven something similar?
> > > Greetings from the sunny and cold south.
> > > Juan D. Goyen
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Hello,
Well, had a great time at Brodhead, wonderful to see so many Piets!!
I am doing a model A and came away (after seeing Alan Rudolf's 580 lbs model A
piet) that I need to look at everything I can to save weight.
The two biggest I can see that I can change are the very heavy (but beautiful)
brass radiator I have and the solid axle landing gear.
My question is this. How much weight (assuming I keep the large spoke tires)
would one actually save by using the improved landing gear? From my observation,
it looks as if the only major savings would be no axle, (which is pretty hefty).
I was also thinking , if i did change, I'd like to try something along the lines
of the Scout landing gear as I've always loved that thirties look.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Hello everyone!! |
In a message dated 7/24/2005 5:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddjohn@earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
Hi Juan
There was a deisel pietenpol powered by a Mercedes-Benz 4 banger.It was
under powered.
I think a 5 banger would work.
Go for it.
Dale in Mpls Mn.
Interesting. I have been thinking more along the lines a VW tuodo-diesel.
Comments?
Tom Speir (back to lurking)
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| Subject: | Re: Hello everyone!! |
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale Johnson"
<ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Juan
> There was a deisel pietenpol powered by a Mercedes-Benz 4 banger.It was
> under powered.
> I think a 5 banger would work.
> Go for it.
> Dale in Mpls Mn.
Dale,
I'm thinking about a modern Turbo Diesel Intercooler engine that weights as
the Ford model "A".
Juan D.
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Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Bienvenido! Welcome!
Oscar,
Muchas gracias por tu bienvenida y la informaci=F3n.
Thank you very much for your welcome and information.
> As a comparison, the "Dieselis"
> (French conversion of a diesel for experimental aero use) will put out
> something like 60 HP at 2600 RPM and weighs 298 lbs. If you run it at
3600
> RPM and use a reduction drive, it only puts out another 5 HP but moves the
> power peak.
I know the work with the Opel Corsa's engine.
It's an Isuzu 1.5 litres, 4 cylinder, made in Japan.
Here we have similar european units made by Renault and Peugeot and they are very
cheap.
Juan D. Goyen=ED
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| Subject: | Re: Hello everyone!! |
> Hi Juan
> Welcome to the list. I dont have any info on the deisel but I think it
> would be a good idea. Please keep us informed on what you find.
> Dick N.
Dick N.,
Thanks.
I'll keep the group informed.
Juan D. Goyen
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Mark S,
I saw Bingelis' book. Picture shows an old and heavy Mercedes Benz with a huge
linear injection pump.
I am thinking on use a modern TDI engine with a displacement of 1.5 litres or something
like that.
Thanks.
Juan D. Goyeni
----- Original Message -----
From: M&M Stanley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Diesel Piet
Hi Juan
I had a look in Tony Bingelis 's book, "Firewall Forward" and the picture that
I wrote about is on page 21. There is a small round badge near the top of the
radiator which looks like it may be an early style Mercedes Benz badge but
I'm not certain, anyway, it looks interesting.
Mark S
Japan
( just another earthquake today and typhoon # 7 on the way...oh such fun!! )
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| Subject: | Re: weight savings |
Hello Douwe,
I don't know the weight of the split axle gear but the weight of the landing gear
on NX18235 is 60 lbs. That includes 19" wheels, 3.50 tires, ash gear legs, axle
(.120 wall thickness)
and spreader bars, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. It even includes the grease
cups on the hubs.
It does not include brakes as they are not installed.
Nice to see everyone at Brodhead. It was a fantastic turnout.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight savings
Hello,
Well, had a great time at Brodhead, wonderful to see so many Piets!!
I am doing a model A and came away (after seeing Alan Rudolf's 580 lbs model
A piet) that I need to look at everything I can to save weight.
The two biggest I can see that I can change are the very heavy (but beautiful)
brass radiator I have and the solid axle landing gear.
My question is this. How much weight (assuming I keep the large spoke tires)
would one actually save by using the improved landing gear? From my observation,
it looks as if the only major savings would be no axle, (which is pretty
hefty).
I was also thinking , if i did change, I'd like to try something along the lines
of the Scout landing gear as I've always loved that thirties look.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum fuel tank |
Hi Greg
I used 5052 aluminum .040 ordered from ACS. However, the last time I was at Gareleck
Steel at 1900 2nd St. N in Mpls. they had a few sheets on hand. Things
tend to come and go at that place. I installed baffles in my tank and fabricated
it in my shop, rivited it all together and then took it to a good welder.
I also sealed the tank with a tank sealer from the Eastwood Co.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum fuel tank
A question for those of you with aluminum (aluminium to those of you in the UK)
fuel tanks in service.
What is the appropriate thickness and grade to use?
After 47 hours in service our riveted and soldered galvanized tank is developing
leaks.
Greg Cardinal
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
What a great year at Brodhead...It was great to finally meet some of the
guys from the list and see old friends again..It was truley an international
event this year...If someone has Bill rewey's (sp?) address I would
appreciate it if you would send it to me on my personal e-mail addy...We met
at BH Saturday and talked for quite a while and he offered to take both me
and my girlfriend for a ride in his Piet..I would like to send him a thank
you note and some pictures that I took..Someone said they didn't think he
was on the Piet list...Thanks in advance..I hope Smokie Chuck and Dick
Navatril finally made it home okay..The wind was blowing about forty knots
out of the north when I left Sunday morning..Ed Grentzer....Do not archive
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