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1. 05:35 AM - Wing Assembly (Egan, John)
2. 06:39 AM - Army Air Corps Blue & Yellow (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Wing Assembly (Phillips, Jack)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Wing Assembly (Christian Bobka)
5. 08:45 AM - Re: Wing Assembly (Christian Bobka)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: Army Air Corps Blue & Yellow (Gordon Bowen)
7. 09:19 AM - wires in the sky scout wings (Christian Bobka)
8. 10:48 AM - Elevator Trim Tab (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 11:01 AM - Re: Wing Assembly (Christian Bobka)
10. 11:05 AM - Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Christian Bobka)
11. 11:36 AM - Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 11:39 AM - Pietenpol for Sale (Nav8799h@aol.com)
13. 12:01 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Textor, Jack)
14. 01:02 PM - OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (DJ Vegh)
15. 01:11 PM - Re: Wing Assembly (Egan, John)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Isablcorky@aol.com)
17. 01:31 PM - elevator trim tab (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 02:09 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (Michael D Cuy)
19. 02:52 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (walt evans)
20. 06:03 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (Mike Volckmann)
21. 06:11 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (Christian Bobka)
22. 07:42 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (DJ Vegh)
23. 09:11 PM - Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress (DJ Vegh)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid out
on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each rib,
wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside the
wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step is
to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this? Do
you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it back
into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom only,
or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And then
after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron parts,
filler strips and leading edge....?
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Subject: | Army Air Corps Blue & Yellow |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Der Korkmeister wrote-
>I used the following on 41CC
>#139 Federal Yellow, Wings and feathers
>#173 AN blue (True Blue), Fuselage and struts
>#105 Insignia White, Star Insignias
>#190 Tennessee Red, "
>#176 Insignia Blue, "
...and pictures are available at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html if you want to see how it
turned out. As a bit of additional trivia, I have since discovered that the
#139 Federal Yellow is also referred to as Federal HIGHWAY Yellow, and is
the color that is used to paint those stripes that you see on every
interstate highway in the country.
One more piece of trivia, but it's Piet related: there is a new
Oshkosh/Brodhead update on William Wynne's website,
http://www.flycorvair.com , including pictures of "The Last Original", Mr.
Pietenpol's personal Corvair-powered Piet.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <jphillip@alarismed.com>
Hi John,
I would not glue the ribs to the spars. Just nail them, preferably with
the nails horizontal through the uprights and into the spar (I nailed
mine with the nails vertical through the capstrips, but AC-43.13 does
not recommend this). The ribs need to be able to "float" a little when
you trammel the wing. Likewise, do not bolt your leading edge in place
or attach the plywood to the leading edge until the wing has been
trammeled and the drag/anti-drag wires tightened correctly. Both the
leading strip and the plywood will add quite a bit of stiffness and may
prevent you from adjusting the wing properly during the tramelling
process. Once it is trammeled, gluing and bolting them in place will
lock the wing geometry in place. Also, after trammeling the wing you
can glue the aileron spars in place (you might need to slip them in
place before bolting on the wing tip and trammeling the wing).
Jack Phillips
Finally got NX899JP home from the Great Trek to Brodhead and Oshkosh
yesterday evening. Got weathered in at Rome GA for a few days. 2,147
miles and 37 hours of flying (average speed 58 mph). Only major problem
was a cracked exhaust manifold which required welding in Jackson,
Tennessee.
-----Original Message-----
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid out
on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each rib,
wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside the
wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step is
to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this? Do
you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it back
into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom only,
or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And then
after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron parts,
filler strips and leading edge....?
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Subject: | Re: Wing Assembly |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
glue the vertical piece to the spar. The load is carried in shear which is
the best for glue.
chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
>
> I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid out
> on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each rib,
> wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside the
> wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step is
> to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this? Do
> you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it back
> into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom only,
> or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And then
> after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron parts,
> filler strips and leading edge....?
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing Assembly |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
If you correctly position your spars parallel and the markoffs for the rib
positions on the front and rear spars are accurately held in a line normal
to the spars, then tweaking during tramelling should be at a minimum and it
is safe to glue the vertical to the spar from the outset. Importantly, it
is also necessary to have all the capstrip in the same plane. You don't
want one rib a little high on the spar and the next one a little low as this
will present an uneven surface for the fabric and the leading edge plywood
and will be unsightly.
Those at Brodhead should have noticed the 4-6 foot long sanding boards that
were being used to "level" the Sky Scout wing capstrips in the Pietenpol
hangar on the front row, west end.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<sbobka@charter.net>
>
> glue the vertical piece to the spar. The load is carried in shear which
is
> the best for glue.
>
> chris
> Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:34 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
>
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> >
> > I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid out
> > on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each rib,
> > wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside the
> > wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step is
> > to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this? Do
> > you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it back
> > into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom only,
> > or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And then
> > after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron parts,
> > filler strips and leading edge....?
> >
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Subject: | Re: Army Air Corps Blue & Yellow |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
For those of you who may want to save a few bucks, take the color samples to
a pro paint supply store. Have them color match, get a quote. If you add
one part "Bulldog" to your paint mixture, you'll get a slightly more
flexible paint than standard automotive metal paint, this goes on very
nicely over the Stits silver coat. Air Spruce gets their chuck of the cost
of paint at a high premium over what you can buy paint directly from outlet
like most all pro paint suppliers. DuPont, PPG and ICI are the prime
automotive paint suppliers in this market, pro paint supply distributors are
more competitive than AirSpruce when it comes to pricing, and they're lots
of tech help too.
Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska
Cozy IV N64CY
Osprey II N64SY
Pietenpol N-1033B
" There are no passengers on spaceship Earth, we are all crew", McLuhan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Army Air Corps Blue & Yellow
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Der Korkmeister wrote-
>
> >I used the following on 41CC
> >#139 Federal Yellow, Wings and feathers
> >#173 AN blue (True Blue), Fuselage and struts
> >#105 Insignia White, Star Insignias
> >#190 Tennessee Red, "
> >#176 Insignia Blue, "
>
> ...and pictures are available at
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html if you want to see how it
> turned out. As a bit of additional trivia, I have since discovered that
the
> #139 Federal Yellow is also referred to as Federal HIGHWAY Yellow, and is
> the color that is used to paint those stripes that you see on every
> interstate highway in the country.
>
> One more piece of trivia, but it's Piet related: there is a new
> Oshkosh/Brodhead update on William Wynne's website,
> http://www.flycorvair.com , including pictures of "The Last Original", Mr.
> Pietenpol's personal Corvair-powered Piet.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | wires in the sky scout wings |
John,
The wires in the sky scout wings were in place so that interference between the
ribs
and the drag/antidrag wires could be determined prior to glueing of the
ribs. If you noticed, the rib spacing varied on the Sky Scout wings to keep
the wires from coming in contact with the ribs. Greg and I measured them
and they were off as much as an inch.
If the line made by connecting the root ends of the spars is held normal to
the spar major axis, and the ribs are glued parallel to this line, then you
will find when it is time to trammel, it will be a non issue. Those
builders that glue their wings together without controlling the front and
rear spar positions from the beginning will find trammelling to be
challenging
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
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Subject: | Elevator Trim Tab |
Pieters,
Am boxing in my starboard elevator,ala 7AC, for an adjustable trim tab. Has
anyone seen or heard of this being done on a Piet? For you engineering types,
How many sq in would it require to be effective? My design is 3 X 16. In
addition I will feather all trailing edges with balsa for rudder and elevators.
My I hear any objections or suggestions both positive and positive.
Corky in La making airplane noises while Isabelle whistles Dixie
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Subject: | Re: Wing Assembly |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
John,
The square will not be able to be used with the ribs in place. Secure a
four foot 2 x 8 or so board upright on your table at the root end normal to
the long axis of the spars. Secure two uprights to this board making a slot
to capture one of the spars' root end. Use a little bit of trig to
determine the position of that spar's tip at the wingtip end so that the
spar is normal to the root board. Secure two more pieces of wood to the
table, making a slot for the spar at the tip end. By pushing both spars
against the root board and dropping the spar into the slot at the tip will
ensure a glue up of a true wing.
The wing should be glued true. The trammelling is to ensure the wires don't
pull it OUT of true.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
I made up a square long enough to span the width between the spars and
normal to one spar to ensure my spar ends are lined up well. When I ran
the temp drag wires, I found that the wire touches three rib members, so
I am laminating another piece of 1/4 x 1/2" member in those locations,
and will trim the interfering member. I saw this done at Oshkosh last
week, and it looked like a clean solution. Thanks again, this is
really good discussion. I'm in Greenville, Wisconsin (next to
Appleton).
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:sbobka@charter.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
I think that the wires were in place so that interference between the
ribs
and the drag/antidrag wires could be determined prior to glueing of the
ribs. If you noticed, the rib spacing varied on the Sky Scout wings to
keep
the wires from coming in contact with the ribs. Greg and I measured
them
and they were off as much as an inch.
If the line made by connecting the root ends of the spars is held normal
to
the spar major axis, and the ribs are glued parallel to this line, then
you
will find when it is time to trammel, it will be a non issue. Those
builders that glue their wings together without controlling the front
and
rear spar positions from the beginning will find trammelling to be
challenging
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
Thank you Christian,
I did not see the sanding board, but that makes good sense to use one.
I did notice that Denny (the guy working on the one piece Sky Scout
wing) had used temporary diagonal wires to square the wing, then
loosened the wires (I assume) after the ribs were glued in place. I've
just been stuck for while at this point, and I recently found the
Matronics site, and moved back to Wisconsin where I can now visit
Brodhead and make good progress on my Piet. It sounds like as long as
the wing is square, and how I want it, I can glue the ribs. Thank you
again.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<sbobka@charter.net>
If you correctly position your spars parallel and the markoffs for the
rib
positions on the front and rear spars are accurately held in a line
normal
to the spars, then tweaking during tramelling should be at a minimum and
it
is safe to glue the vertical to the spar from the outset. Importantly,
it
is also necessary to have all the capstrip in the same plane. You don't
want one rib a little high on the spar and the next one a little low as
this
will present an uneven surface for the fabric and the leading edge
plywood
and will be unsightly.
Those at Brodhead should have noticed the 4-6 foot long sanding boards
that
were being used to "level" the Sky Scout wing capstrips in the Pietenpol
hangar on the front row, west end.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<sbobka@charter.net>
>
> glue the vertical piece to the spar. The load is carried in shear
which
is
> the best for glue.
>
> chris
> Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:34 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> >
> > I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid
out
> > on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each
rib,
> > wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside
the
> > wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step
is
> > to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this?
Do
> > you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it
back
> > into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom
only,
> > or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And
then
> > after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron
parts,
> > filler strips and leading edge....?
> >
>
>
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> contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is
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> from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in
error,
> please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and
> destroy any printed copy. Thank you.
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Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Tab |
Corky,
Sounds like a good size. How will you actuate it?
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Trim Tab
Pieters,
Am boxing in my starboard elevator,ala 7AC, for an adjustable trim tab. Has anyone
seen or heard of this being done on a Piet? For you engineering types, How
many sq in would it require to be effective? My design is 3 X 16. In addition
I will feather all trailing edges with balsa for rudder and elevators.
My I hear any objections or suggestions both positive and positive.
Corky in La making airplane noises while Isabelle whistles Dixie
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Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Tab |
Will be activated with a small lever in a quadrant on the right side, rear
cockpit with bottom pivot. Control wire connected above pivot positioned as
travel needed on trim arm. Forward Nose down etc.Activated cable is .051 wire in
vinyl conduit. Hope you get this explanation. Most of the run will be
outside of fuse under fabric. Seems simple enough.
Felt strongly that a Piet needed a trim mechanism as the weights of
different pilots, and a forward fuel tank will keep the pilot busy trimmimg. Also,
when you chop throttle for landing it might be possible to throw that trim back
and reduce the pressure on the stick like the old 7 AC did.
Corky in La just before his afternoon nap
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Subject: | Pietenpol for Sale |
Folks,
I have been a follower of this list for 3-1/2 years while building my
Pietenpol. It is now complete and the airworthiness inspection is done.
Unfortunately, my flying partner and good friend in the project has lost his eyesight
and this has pretty much taken a lot of the enjoyment out of the plane.
Therefore, I am putting the plane up for sale. It is a long fuselage, 3
piece wing, Sitka spruce ship with a C-85. If interested, contact me and I can
send pictures or provide additional information.
Thanks
Lou Wither
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Subject: | Elevator Trim Tab |
Corky,
How will the wire transition from the stab to the elevator? Through the
spar? On my RV8 I utilized a servo, which was much lighter and (the
wire) was more flexible (between the stab and elevator)
Jack T
Des Moines
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Trim Tab
Will be activated with a small lever in a quadrant on the right side,
rear cockpit with bottom pivot. Control wire connected above pivot
positioned as travel needed on trim arm. Forward Nose down etc.Activated
cable is .051 wire in vinyl conduit. Hope you get this explanation. Most
of the run will be outside of fuse under fabric. Seems simple enough.
Felt strongly that a Piet needed a trim mechanism as the weights of
different pilots, and a forward fuel tank will keep the pilot busy
trimmimg. Also, when you chop throttle for landing it might be possible
to throw that trim back and reduce the pressure on the stick like the
old 7 AC did.
Corky in La just before his afternoon nap
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Subject: | OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
just thought I'd share a video I shot and edited today using my robotic unmanned
helicopter/camera rig.
the gyro stabilizer on the camera mount smooths out the motion VERY well. this
damn helicopter project is keeping me from the GN-1 but hey.... it's fun and
the GN-1 can wait. I'll finish it one day! ;) Besides this thing ought to
provide income where the GN-1 likes to burn it up!
http://www.azchoppercam.com/portfolio/video/flight.wmv
DJ Vegh
www.azchoppercam.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:sbobka@charter.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
can you repost to the peitenpol matronics list so that all can share?
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
I made up a square long enough to span the width between the spars and
normal to one spar to ensure my spar ends are lined up well. When I ran
the temp drag wires, I found that the wire touches three rib members, so
I am laminating another piece of 1/4 x 1/2" member in those locations,
and will trim the interfering member. I saw this done at Oshkosh last
week, and it looked like a clean solution. Thanks again, this is
really good discussion. I'm in Greenville, Wisconsin (next to
Appleton).
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:sbobka@charter.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
I think that the wires were in place so that interference between the
ribs
and the drag/antidrag wires could be determined prior to glueing of the
ribs. If you noticed, the rib spacing varied on the Sky Scout wings to
keep
the wires from coming in contact with the ribs. Greg and I measured
them
and they were off as much as an inch.
If the line made by connecting the root ends of the spars is held normal
to
the spar major axis, and the ribs are glued parallel to this line, then
you
will find when it is time to trammel, it will be a non issue. Those
builders that glue their wings together without controlling the front
and
rear spar positions from the beginning will find trammelling to be
challenging
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
Thank you Christian,
I did not see the sanding board, but that makes good sense to use one.
I did notice that Denny (the guy working on the one piece Sky Scout
wing) had used temporary diagonal wires to square the wing, then
loosened the wires (I assume) after the ribs were glued in place. I've
just been stuck for while at this point, and I recently found the
Matronics site, and moved back to Wisconsin where I can now visit
Brodhead and make good progress on my Piet. It sounds like as long as
the wing is square, and how I want it, I can glue the ribs. Thank you
again.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<sbobka@charter.net>
If you correctly position your spars parallel and the markoffs for the
rib
positions on the front and rear spars are accurately held in a line
normal
to the spars, then tweaking during tramelling should be at a minimum and
it
is safe to glue the vertical to the spar from the outset. Importantly,
it
is also necessary to have all the capstrip in the same plane. You don't
want one rib a little high on the spar and the next one a little low as
this
will present an uneven surface for the fabric and the leading edge
plywood
and will be unsightly.
Those at Brodhead should have noticed the 4-6 foot long sanding boards
that
were being used to "level" the Sky Scout wing capstrips in the Pietenpol
hangar on the front row, west end.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<sbobka@charter.net>
>
> glue the vertical piece to the spar. The load is carried in shear
which
is
> the best for glue.
>
> chris
> Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:34 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Assembly
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
> >
> > I would like to learn more about wing assembly. I have my ribs laid
out
> > on the spars with correct spacing, little wedges in place on each
rib,
> > wing tip bow bolted on, and temporary diagonal guide wires inside
the
> > wing with turnbuckles. Everything is square. I believe my next step
is
> > to glue the ribs to the spars. What is the best method to do this?
Do
> > you guys simply move one rib at a time, add some glue, and slide it
back
> > into place? What part of the rib gets glued? The top and bottom
only,
> > or the vertical member as well? Any thoughts on next steps? And
then
> > after the rib gluing, I believe I'll need to glue up the aileron
parts,
> > filler strips and leading edge....?
> >
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Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Tab |
Secure the housing on the stab and under fair leads along or on top of the
elevator run the housing and connecting the control wire to trim tab arm, like
carb heat arm. Housing will be free to move under the fair leads as the
elevators are rotated as these vinyl housings are extremely flexible
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Subject: | elevator trim tab |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
The way Corky is describing elevator trim is exactly the way it's shown in
Tony Bingelis' book. Actually, he shows three different trim setups but one
uses a push-pull Bowden cable and single bellcrank on the trim tab and the
other two are variations that use separate bellcranks for push and for pull.
Seems fairly straightforward to me, except the bit about how and where to
transition the cable out of the fuselage into the control surface and out
the fabric to the bellcrank.
No idea "how much is enough" though. Cut and try?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- really impressive stuff. Hope you capture lots of accounts in the
area to suck up GN-1 and hangar money with that project !
Mike C.
do not archive.
PS-- oh yes, and Trip to Brodhead Money:)
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
<008c01c59866$0f503cd0$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
DJ,
Cool stuff! and nice video!
Guess you don't hear down there much sayings like,,,"Follow the ridge"
Wow, it's flat like a pancake.
you're in Texas, right?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress
just thought I'd share a video I shot and edited today using my robotic unmanned
helicopter/camera rig.
the gyro stabilizer on the camera mount smooths out the motion VERY well.
this damn helicopter project is keeping me from the GN-1 but hey.... it's fun
and the GN-1 can wait. I'll finish it one day! ;) Besides this thing ought
to provide income where the GN-1 likes to burn it up!
http://www.azchoppercam.com/portfolio/video/flight.wmv
DJ Vegh
www.azchoppercam.com
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
DJ,
Cool video.
Mike
DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
just thought I'd share a video I shot and edited today using my robotic unmanned
helicopter/camera rig.
the gyro stabilizer on the camera mount smooths out the motion VERY well. this
damn helicopter project is keeping me from the GN-1 but hey.... it's fun and
the GN-1 can wait. I'll finish it one day! ;) Besides this thing ought to
provide income where the GN-1 likes to burn it up!
http://www.azchoppercam.com/portfolio/video/flight.wmv
DJ Vegh
www.azchoppercam.com
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
Who is the guy with the white tshirt in the video? Why do you not show any landings.....
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress
DJ,
Cool video.
Mike
DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
just thought I'd share a video I shot and edited today using my robotic unmanned
helicopter/camera rig.
the gyro stabilizer on the camera mount smooths out the motion VERY well.
this damn helicopter project is keeping me from the GN-1 but hey.... it's fun
and the GN-1 can wait. I'll finish it one day! ;) Besides this thing ought
to provide income where the GN-1 likes to burn it up!
http://www.azchoppercam.com/portfolio/video/flight.wmv
DJ Vegh
www.azchoppercam.com
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
the guy in the white shirt? yours truly ;) (see the controller in my hand?)
No landings shown cause landings are a non-event.... what counts in the video
biz is the stability of the shot in motion. I have a Kenyon Labs gyro attached
to a camera mount that I helped design. The gyro has 2 weights that spin at
22K rpm. Much like a heading indicator. It;s smazing the power the gyros have
in stabilizing. It fits in the palm of your hand yet is very difficlut to
rotate when it is up to speed.
I'm working on a new camera mount which will utilize 2 gyros at 90=B0 to each other
to help stabilize the yaw axis. I just started this business 2 months ago
and already have ad agencies calling and police dept. calling me wanting demo
flights. got 10 payng gigs lined up over the next 14 weeks.
I have found a GPS/inertial semi-autonomous controller that will reduce pilot workload
up to 75%. This is a good thing for small 30lb helicopters... they require
serious attention and coordination. Will be getting one in a few months.
If all goes well this may become my primary source of income in the next year.....
the downside? as I said.. it's eating up the GN-1 funds and time... rest
assured though that come December I WILL start covering my wings! come hell or
high water damnit.
ok..... enough of my rambling.... sorry. I had to share my latest endeavor with
my Piet friends.
DJ V.
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress
Who is the guy with the white tshirt in the video? Why do you not show any landings.....
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress
DJ,
Cool video.
Mike
DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
just thought I'd share a video I shot and edited today using my robotic unmanned
helicopter/camera rig.
the gyro stabilizer on the camera mount smooths out the motion VERY well.
this damn helicopter project is keeping me from the GN-1 but hey.... it's
fun and the GN-1 can wait. I'll finish it one day! ;) Besides this thing ought
to provide income where the GN-1 likes to burn it up!
http://www.azchoppercam.com/portfolio/video/flight.wmv
DJ Vegh
www.azchoppercam.com
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Subject: | Re: OT - unmanned helicopter camera progress |
<<you're in Texas, right?
Phoenix, AZ AKA "the Valley of the Sun we're in a valley with large mountains
all around.
DJ V.
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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