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1. 11:14 AM - covering taughtness (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 02:20 PM - wood landing gear (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
3. 02:44 PM - Re: Long time reader, first time writer (wdmelvin@netzero.net)
4. 02:46 PM - Tail fin orientation (John and Phyllis Smoyer)
5. 03:44 PM - Re: covering taughtness (Harvey Rule)
6. 08:29 PM - Re: Piet at Stinson Field (Mike King)
7. 10:25 PM - Re: Piet at Stinson Field / Der Faker Fokker (Mike Whaley)
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Subject: | covering taughtness |
Hey,
I bought my project partly covered, and I'm now ribstiching and taping. When
I do the final 350 degree ironing though, it doesn't seem as drum tight as others
I've felt. IT's taught, just not tight like a drum as most I've felt. I've
calibrated my iron so I'm pretty sure that's okay.
I'm guessing he just left the covering a bit loose when he covered it, so there's
just not enough slack to leave it drum tight.
My question is, what if I used some tightening nitrate dope for the first coating,
instead of non-taughtening?
any thoughts??
Douwe
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Subject: | wood landing gear |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
I'm about to build the landing gear and as I study the plans I see that both sides
angle back toward the tailwheel. Several people have told me that when they
build theirs that getting this angle just right causes difficulty. I just
don't understand why you'd have to angle it anyway because the axle passes straight
thru. Con someone enlighten me?
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: Long time reader, first time writer |
Rick,
Yhanks for the info. I have been to the flycorvair site before and was looking
for responses from those in the know. Thanks.
Rick,
Yhanks for the info. I have been to the flycorvair site before and was looking
for responses from those in the know. Thanks.
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Subject: | Tail fin orientation |
We're about ready to install the tail fin on the Air Camper under construction
at the Mid-Atlantic Air Museum in Reading, PA. Does anyone out there know if
the fin should be installed at an angle to the aircraft centerline, or should
it be aligned parallel to it?
We're thinking that maybe one doesn't really know until the airplane flies, and
that the fin's mounting brackets should be slotted so adjustments can be made
later. Any comments/suggestions would be much appreciated.
This is a great site, and we're learning from it every day. Thanks, and best regards
to all.
John Smoyer
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Subject: | Re: covering taughtness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
I may be wrong but I think it tightens up after your first coat anyway.
> Hey,
>
> I bought my project partly covered, and I'm now ribstiching and
> taping. When I do the final 350 degree ironing though, it doesn't
> seem as drum tight as others I've felt. IT's taught, just not tight
> like a drum as most I've felt. I've calibrated my iron so I'm pretty
> sure that's okay.
>
> I'm guessing he just left the covering a bit loose when he covered it,
> so there's just not enough slack to leave it drum tight.
>
> My question is, what if I used some tightening nitrate dope for the
> first coating, instead of non-taughtening?
>
> any thoughts??
>
> Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Piet at Stinson Field |
Terry, Oscar and the Gang,
I stopped at the Clifton airport several years ago enroute
to Dallas. The folks there told me about a black homebuilt
airplane that resembled a Piet or GN-1. There were not
sure what it was but a museum in the Texas Rio Grande
Valley came up, bought it and trailered it back to Rio Hondo.
A year later, I was in the Valley for a Masonic function but
stopped by the Texas Air Museum in Rio Hondo to see the
plane. As luck would have it, the museum was hosting its
monthly slate of events which included a re-enactment of what
they billed as the first aerial dogfight in this country during the
days of Poncho Villa. The Piet/GN-1 was dressed in German
colors going up against a vintage biplane. John Warren
Houston, founder of the museum, flew one of the planes.
Both pilots, cropdusters by trade, flew very tight maneuvers
just feet above the crowd and did things with those planes
that would envy many veteran stunt and aerobatics pilots.
By they way, John Warren Houston was featured in a
Discovery Wings episode involving the restoration of a
World War II fighter that was shot down. Ironically, John
found the pilot that was shot down in that plane, flew to
Germany and personally invited him to return to Texas.
The veteran German pilot flew to Texas where he saw
his restored airplane and sat in its cockpit just as he did
over half a century ago. Tears were seen on both John
and the German aviator. It was a great episode. John
later passed away short after the show aired.
Since then, the Texas Air Museum in Rio Hondo has
moved its planes to other Texas Air Museum Chapters
located in Slaton and Stinson Field in San Antonio, the home
of the black PIET Oscar made reference to.
For more information about the Texas Air Museum, you
can go to its web site: www.texasairmuseum.com.
When you click on the Slaton Chapter, you will find pictures
of the late Jimmy Franklin signing autographs just after
his performance there last June....just week before his
tragic death. Another great loss.
FYI, I have pictures of the black German Piet/GN-1
I photographed at Rio Hondo. If anyone is interested
I will send them to you. It is a sweet looking airplane
with a radial engine and distinctive markings. Maybe
somone can direct me on how to post pictures of the
plane for the rest of this group to see.
Keep up the great work guys......maybe we can make
a Texas Piet/GN-1 fly to Stinson Field.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet at Stinson Field
Hey Oscar,
I saw this airplane about 15 yrs ago. It was sitting in a hangar in Clifton
TX. It has taylorcraft wings adapted. It has German markings. Search the archives
and you should see some discussion. According to someone's post, it supposedly
was flown in dogfight performances a few times while at the Hondo museum.
If they need any engine parts, let me know. I have a friend here in Waco
that knows how to scrounge that stuff. He had a complete LeBlond radial and
some Lambert parts a while back.
Terry
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Subject: | Re: Piet at Stinson Field / Der Faker Fokker |
I believe that this is "Der Faker Fokker" that was up for sale earlier this
year on eBay. I have all the photos and info they posted at that time.
Here are the relevant parts of the eBay listing as well as a couple of
photos from it. Following the EBay listing is a re-post of a message to this
list in which museum director Lee Labar describes the plane, posted here by
Mike King on 1/11/2004. (The Jose with an L-19 that Lee mentions is Jose
Cano, who helped put the wheels on and some other stuff, but never actually
flew this plane. I can provide Jose's email address if you really wanna ask
him about it.)
Hope this helps. Nifty airplane... I've never seen it in person,
unfortunately.
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
Pietenpol Air Camper & Radial Engine, WW1 Fokker
7-day listing, Ends Feb-13-05 20:32:29 PST
Seller information:
texasairmuseum ( 0 )
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Member since Feb-06-05 in United States
Pietenpol Air Camper & Radial Engine, WW1 Fokker Vehicle Description
Der Faker Fokker
This is the most unique Pietenpol Air Camper you'll ever find! Dubbed "Der
Faker Fokker," it was designed to resemble a 1918 German WW1 fighter.
Instead of the conventional Model A Ford engine in a standard Pietpenpol,
this plane has a very rare 1932 Lambert 5 cylinder radial engine. It also
has Jenny style landing gear and replica machine guns. This Air Camper has
been owned by the Texas Air Museum of Rio Hondo, Texas since 1993, and was a
real crowd pleaser at airshows and fly-ins. It was issued it's
Airworthiness Certificate in December of 1979.
Technical Details:
Engine - 1932 90 HP Lambert
Wing Span - 29 ft
Length - 17 ft, 8 in
Height - 6 ft, 6in
Empty Weight - 610 lbs
Fuel Capacity - 10 Gallons
Landing Speed - 40 mph
Cruise Speed - 70 mph
Engine Total Time - approximately 1290 hours
Der Faker Fokker was last flown in December of 2003, when the museum's
flying activities were ceased. It's last annual was on 2/1/03. It has
always been hangared and does not have any damage from crashes or otherwise.
While we do not expect any problems getting the plane current again, you are
encouraged to inspect the plane or ask questions before bidding, as we will
not be liable for any problems incurred. Buyer must pick up aircraft from
it's current location in Rio Hondo, TX (south Texas, near Brownsville, TX).
It will need to be trailed from the location. There are airports nearby
with repair facilities available.
Please visit http://www.texasairmuseum.com/pietenpol/index.htm for high
resolution pictures.
Email any questions to tam@rgv.rr.com Thanks!
---------------------------------------------
Hello Mike,
Nick forwarded me your inquiries about the Texas Air Museum Pietenpol Air
Camper.
First, to give you some background, I took over as director ( a volunteer
position) for the museum when John Houston died in November of 2002. I had
the privilege of working with John for several years before his death, but I
mainly handled his crop spraying and personal business interests. My
knowledge of the museum and its exhibits is rather limited. Nonetheless,
here's what I know about the Pietenpol.
According to the paperwork I have, N36RN (serial number RN1) was built by
Robert H. Northcutt of Monterrey, California. He built the aircraft to
resemble a WWI German fighter, using Jenny style fixed gear, fake machine
guns, insignia, and paint scheme. The airplane is dubbed "Der Faker Fokker"
for obvious reasons. The airworthiness certificate I have was issued on
December 20, 1979.
The specs and performance stats I have for the aircraft are as follows: wing
span- 29', wing cord- 5', length overall- 17' 8", height overall, 6'6",
landing gear tread- 56", propeller- 6' 4" diameter, weight empty- 610 lbs.,
fuel capacity- 10 gallons, climb full load- over 200' first minute, hi
speed-
90 mph, landing speed- 40 mph.
The engine on N36RN is a 1930 Lambert model R-266 five cylinder radial,
serial number 3076-TC-38. It is rated at 90 hp at 2350 rpm and weighs 214
lbs. Over the years around here, I have heard it referred to as "Babe
Ruth's
engine," implying that this particular engine may have been owned at one
time
by the baseball legend. That may or may not be a bunch of baloney as far as
I know. There seems to be a lot of that produced within aviator circles.
As
of yet I haven't seen any documentation to back up this claim.
In April of 1984, the aircraft was registered to Ted F. Mayo of Nemo, Texas.
I have no idea where Nemo is, but I believe it's correct that the Pietenpol
came here from Clifton, Texas. I went to the airport there a few years back
to look at an Agcat that was for sale there and I ran into a guy who said he
was a member of the Texas Air Museum and that he had helped get the
Pietenpol
to Rio Hondo some years back. A nice fellow; I think his name was Jose
something-or-other. He was restoring an L-19 Bird Dog at the time.
I am assuming that the museum acquired the Pietenpol because of its
appearance as a WWI German mockup. John Houston owned a 7/8 scale SE5a
replica (lost in a crash here last month) which was used to battle the
Pietenpol during some of the Fly-Ins here at the museum each year. It was
an
impressive sight, enhanced by the unique drone if the Lambert radial on the
Pietenpol.
As far as the flight characteristics of the aircraft are concerned, I
wouldn't know as I have never flown it. I have been told it is a little
squirrelly in the turns and that if landed on pavement, it seems to get
faster
and faster after touchdown. Judging from a couple of the squirrels I've
seen
flying the aircraft, it can't be all that bad.
That's about all I can think to tell you about our Pietenpol. I am
attaching
a few of the pictures I have of it. Feel free to pass this information on
to
people in your group. Please keep in mind my lack of qualified knowledge of
the information I've given you.
The fellow you spoke to here the other day is Glenn Vance. He is one of the
long time volunteers here at the museum. I know he has some pretty good
photos of the Pietenpol he intends to scan and email to you if he hasn't
done
it already.
I appreciate you letting your group know about our museum. Please let them
know we are in constant need of financial support (of course.) Publicity
within aviation circles is a big help. We aren't very well known yet, but
there is a really nice collection in the making here. I hope to take the
ingredients that John Houston left behind and form them into a tool for
educating future generations about aviation history. Stay tuned to the
Texas
Air Museum website for updates on our progress.
If you get the opportunity, come down and take a look for yourself.
Sincerely,
Lee Labar
Museum Director
Texas Air Museum of the Rio Grande Valley
1 Mile East FM 106
PO Box 70
Rio Hondo TX 78583-0070
phone (956) 748-2112 fax (956) 748-3500
email: tds2@att.net
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