---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/12/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: AN Hardware (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto) 2. 04:53 AM - Wag Aero/sources (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:00 AM - cap screws (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP () 5. 07:05 AM - drive pins on Model A prop hub (Michael D Cuy) 6. 08:28 AM - Landing gear design sanity check (Rick Holland) 7. 08:56 AM - Re: Landing gear design sanity check (Dick Navratil) 8. 11:33 AM - Drill Guide (DONALD COOLEY) 9. 12:35 PM - Re: Drill Guide (Lynn Knoll) 10. 02:01 PM - Re: Drill Guide (walt evans) 11. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP (walt evans) 12. 02:52 PM - Prop borings (Carl Vought) 13. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP (Alan Lyscars) 14. 11:03 PM - Re: Drill Guide (TRichmo9@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca You only had to go to school for one day!No wonder you remember everything about that day!Just pullin your wire ,haha!There is a reason why we are supposed to use AN hardware.Why temp the Gods.Do as your told .For the little extra it costs,it may save your life.Don't be a Titanic! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Egan, John Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" I'll jump into this one, I took some classes once.... I recall rolled threads have more radius edges (points and valleys) which is created when the threads get formed by a die, where cut threads have sharper points and valleys from being cut. I also recall that a rolled thread, has a larger minor diameter (the diameter at the root of the thread), and the major diameter may also be a little larger than that of cut threads. This is because the material is not being cut away from the major diameter (shank), it's being re-located to another area of the bolt. The major diameter of the threaded portion (rolled threads) of the bolt grows in size, where on cut threads, the material gets cut away because as you cut, you remove some of the outer diameter. That's my recollection from that day in school in 1984, and it's not obvious to me how the threads were formed when I casually look at a bolt. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AN Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse John (or anyone), Is there a simple way to identify cut vs. rolled threads? Rolled threads are preferred, correct? Steve Ruse N6383J - KFTW Quoting John Hofmann : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann > > > Be careful out there. Cadmium plating, proper bolt stretch when accurately > torqued and rolled vs. cut threads are three reasons not to skimp on > hardware, especially in critical areas. I don't think I want to save the > couple hundred dollars on the project in hardware costs. Just my two cents. > > -john- > John Hofmann > A&P and restorer of a few old flivvers. 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There have been many good posts on where to buy decent, reasonably priced AN hardware and turnbuckles. As plans-built builders we do have to be creative in finding our building materials like many of you who have dealt with McCormack Lumber in Madison. For AN hardware and sheet steel and aluminum I used (for us middle-west-to-east-coast Piet nuts, Dillsburg Aeroworks for all of my hardware--including lift strut/streamlined materials. You have to know what you want when you call--do the homework' in the Bingelis books or in the AN sections of Wicks and or ASS catalogs and give them a try. Dillsburg Aero, 717-432-4589. They ship same day UPS and you pay after the shipment arrives. It is an 'old-school' operation, but very efficient. Mike C. PS--as posted earlier...used whatever type/grade of hardware/steel/aluminum you want but research it well before you substitute. There are plenty of other things that can bring a Pietenpol down--I'd rather not gamble on adding more risk factors to the plane ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:39 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cap screws Hey, Re the hardware discussion. On my "A", I'm using a hub adaptor with four bolts to the engine, and six to the prop. The four bolts to the crank need to be cap screws, and I absolutely could not find any "AN" cap screws, so I'm using the best quality ones I could find from a bolt supplier. Where could one find AN cap screws Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:08 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP You asked for it. Bear in mind that this account was writen for family members who don't necessarily know anything about Pietenpols. Jack Phillips NX899JP > > From: Rcaprd@aol.com > Date: 2005/08/11 Thu PM 05:11:32 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 > > In a message dated 8/11/2005 6:19:46 AM Central Standard Time, > jphillip@alarismed.com writes: > I wrote a journal of my trip that I can send to you if you want. Total was > 2,147 miles and 37 hours of flying. > Jack, > I would really enjoy hearing about your trip. I am sure most everyone on the > list would love to hear it, too. Why not just post it in the e-mail form to > the list ? Include your tail # in the subject line. > > Chuck G. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:31 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: drive pins on Model A prop hub --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Douwe--- I've heard of guys not having drive pins on Model A hubs with bad results. I'm sure Ken Perkins and such know you need them but some A builders aren't aware of this. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:33 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear design sanity check Just wanted to verify my landing gear layout before I start cutting the tubing. If anyone has a chance this weekend would you measure the distance from the front landing gear fitting (or bottom of the floor plywood) to the ground on your Piet? I came up with 32" to get a 12 degree deck angle and want to make sure I am not mis-calculating something. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:25 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear design sanity check Rick I'll measure mine this weekend but I just wanted to give you a reminder of the more important measurement than the angle. Make sure that all said and done, with the tail up on level, that you will have 9"+ ground clearance for the prop. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear design sanity check Just wanted to verify my landing gear layout before I start cutting the tubing. If anyone has a chance this weekend would you measure the distance from the front landing gear fitting (or bottom of the floor plywood) to the ground on your Piet? I came up with 32" to get a 12 degree deck angle and want to make sure I am not mis-calculating something. Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:57 AM PST US From: DONALD COOLEY Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide Hello Group, Browsing in a woodworking store, I discovered a nifty Drill Guide Kit (part #140876) which allows the user to drill holes vertically on flat and round surfaces, and at a 45 degree angle on corners. It consists of an acrylic base and six steel guides ranging from 3/16 to 1/2 inch diameter. At $12 it is a useful addition to any woodworker's shop. The store is called the Wood Gallery in Rancho Cordova, (Sacramento), California. They ship, too. thewoodgallery@earthlink.net Keep the sawdust flying! Don Cooley ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:28 PM PST US From: "Lynn Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide Thanks Don, I've been looking for something like this and I ordered one. Do not archive. Lynn Knoll Piet/Vair Wichita ----- Original Message ----- From: DONALD COOLEY To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide Hello Group, Browsing in a woodworking store, I discovered a nifty Drill Guide Kit (part #140876) which allows the user to drill holes vertically on flat and round surfaces, and at a 45 degree angle on corners. It consists of an acrylic base and six steel guides ranging from 3/16 to 1/2 inch diameter. At $12 it is a useful addition to any woodworker's shop. The store is called the Wood Gallery in Rancho Cordova, (Sacramento), California. They ship, too. thewoodgallery@earthlink.net Keep the sawdust flying! Don Cooley ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:36 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide Don, Got put onto the idea when I started building. I had made my own, but this sound perfect. Yes that is one of those little, very useful tools that makes a good job better. Nice clean holes, without being eggshaped from a "do over" walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: DONALD COOLEY To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide Hello Group, Browsing in a woodworking store, I discovered a nifty Drill Guide Kit (part #140876) which allows the user to drill holes vertically on flat and round surfaces, and at a 45 degree angle on corners. It consists of an acrylic base and six steel guides ranging from 3/16 to 1/2 inch diameter. At $12 it is a useful addition to any woodworker's shop. The store is called the Wood Gallery in Rancho Cordova, (Sacramento), California. They ship, too. thewoodgallery@earthlink.net Keep the sawdust flying! Don Cooley ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:11 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Jack, Great account. I'm envious of the "Man with Iron Cheeks" : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP > You asked for it. Bear in mind that this account was writen for family members who don't necessarily know anything about Pietenpols. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > > > From: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Date: 2005/08/11 Thu PM 05:11:32 EDT > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 > > > > In a message dated 8/11/2005 6:19:46 AM Central Standard Time, > > jphillip@alarismed.com writes: > > I wrote a journal of my trip that I can send to you if you want. Total was > > 2,147 miles and 37 hours of flying. > > Jack, > > I would really enjoy hearing about your trip. I am sure most everyone on the > > list would love to hear it, too. Why not just post it in the e-mail form to > > the list ? Include your tail # in the subject line. > > > > Chuck G. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:31 PM PST US From: "Carl Vought" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop borings I have a wooden prop which I plan to install on a Model-A engine in my Aircamper. The drillings that were in the hub when I got it just don't look right. They're a little out of round and I don't think the centers are exactly on-the money (because of the difficulty I have in getting the prop onto the hub). I'd like to hear what you fellows recommend to correct this. I'm thinking of epoxying a close-fitting hardwood plug in each hole and redrilling with a Forester bit, using a vertical mill to locate the hole centers. One could also redrill the holes and epoxy a steel insert in each hole, then drill the inserts. Whatd'yathink???...Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:54 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" Dear Jack, Thank you, very much, for putting your flight into words. With your permission, I'll share your experience with others who want to know what flying's all about. On day I, too, will write to you about my Aircamper flight from Maine to OSH. Until that day arrrives, my heart and admiration goes out to you and all of the fellows who have flown "The Leg". Very truly yours, Alan Lyscars ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead to Oshkosh '05 in NX899JP > You asked for it. Bear in mind that this account was writen for family members who don't necessarily know anything about Pietenpols. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:58 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drill Guide don i have a set of those drill guides mine go vdown to a 1/16