---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/14/05: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:55 AM - Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout (Jim Markle) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout (Michael Turrell) 3. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout (Jim Markle) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: Solid looking wheels (Michael Turrell) 5. 10:53 AM - Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout (Christian Bobka) 6. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout (Christian Bobka) 7. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout (Michael Conkling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:04 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout Not sure if you mean "solid looking" wheels or if you're thinking those are actual solid metal rims...... But those are wire wheels with fabric covering. Really neat looking. Jim in Plano ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout Just admiring Bill Church's photos of Brodhead and wondered if anyone can tell me where Dennis Hall got the wheels and tires for his Scout.I love the look and would appreciate any info ,or web sites to steer me in the right direction.I like the spoked wheel but the solid wheel would be my choice.Also is there any down side to using them? Thanks, Mike . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:31 AM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout Thankyou Jim,and yes I thought they were possibly solid aluminum rims.Live and learn ! How is the fabric attached if I might inquire ? Regards,Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:03 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout Well, I'm looking forward to getting the specific "how do they do that?" details from someone who has actually done it! Seems part of the process involves lapping the fabric up and over the rim, into the area where the wheel bead pushes out againt the inside of the rim (when you inflate the tire), then shrinking the fabric...... Someone (Bill Church, I think) told me you let all the air out of the tire, squeeze the tire over to one side of the rim and lap the fabric up and over the exposed side of the rim, attaching the fabric inside the rim. Then do the other side, fill up the tire with air then heat shrink the fabric. That must be what gives it that nice, smooth, "almost aluminum" look. I'm assuming some kind of ring would be attached to the fabric in the axle area to give it some shape and control the size of the opening in that area. I've only "watched the video" so it would not be wise to put much merit in any of this....but maybe some part of it is right!!! :-) I've spent a LOT of time powdercoating my wheels/spokes/nipples/etc black so I don't really want to cover it up now.....but after seeing Dennis' wheels, I'm wrestling with the idea! Those covered wheels look fantastic! JM ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout Thankyou Jim,and yes I thought they were possibly solid aluminum rims.Live and learn ! How is the fabric attached if I might inquire ? Regards,Mike ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:21 AM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Solid looking wheels Indeed they do look fantastic Jim.I have a picture of Garry Price's Piet for my screen saver because of that look! Thanks for the info ,sounds very do-able. Regards ,Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:17 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout The rims might be from Coker Tire and the tires are definitely form Coker tire, shaved down. cHris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels on Dennis Halls Sky Scout Just admiring Bill Church's photos of Brodhead and wondered if anyone can tell me where Dennis Hall got the wheels and tires for his Scout.I love the look and would appreciate any info ,or web sites to steer me in the right direction.I like the spoked wheel but the solid wheel would be my choice.Also is there any down side to using them? Thanks, Mike . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:54 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout I believe they were solid aluminum rims from Coker. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout Thankyou Jim,and yes I thought they were possibly solid aluminum rims.Live and learn ! How is the fabric attached if I might inquire ? Regards,Mike ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:11 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout I have a scan of a page from "WW1 Aero" on how they did the wheel covers in 1915 (thanks to the PFA for compiling them! ;-) They show clips sewn into the edge of the fabric cover about every couple inches -- these are hooked into 1/8" holes drilled into the rim side wall. In consideration to the folks with dial-up modems (I'm also one of them! ;-), contact me for a copy -- the scan is about 450 KB. Bear in mind that this also adds surface area forward of the C.G., so you might be more spin-prone -) (this was also something else that they discovered in the early days !!) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Turrell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels on Dennis Halls Scout Thankyou Jim,and yes I thought they were possibly solid aluminum rims.Live and learn ! How is the fabric attached if I might inquire ? Regards,Mike