Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/16/05


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 04:18 AM - Re: Torque tube bearings? (Phillips, Jack)
     2. 05:02 AM -  (chris cummins)
     3. 05:10 AM - Re: Prop (Phillips, Jack)
     4. 05:12 AM - Re: (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
     5. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Prop (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
     6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Prop (Ed G.)
     7. 06:36 AM - Re: Torque tube bearings? (Ed G.)
     8. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Prop (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
     9. 07:02 AM - 65 hp props  (Michael D Cuy)
    10. 08:27 AM - Re: 65 hp props (Steve Ruse)
    11. 12:05 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Steve Eldredge)
    12. 12:22 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    13. 12:38 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Steve Eldredge)
    14. 01:30 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    15. 01:42 PM - Re: group photo at Brodhead with Javier  (Ken Anderson)
    16. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    17. 05:51 PM - Re: 65 hp props (walt evans)
    18. 06:37 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Graham Hansen)
    19. 07:03 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Textor, Jack)
    20. 07:49 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Steve Ruse)
    21. 08:06 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    22. 08:12 PM - Re: 65 hp props (Rcaprd@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:18:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Torque tube bearings?
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    Ditto for me. I used ball bearing pulleys, but no ball bearings on the torque tube. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Torque tube bearings? In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:55:14 PM Central Standard Time, wbeevans@verizon.net writes: I'd like a few > opinions pro/con of doing it Bernard's way, vs ball bearings Ben, I did mine the plans method, too. They are simple to build, inexpensive, light weight, and work just fine. Use 2 drops of oil, twice a year. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 05:02:36 AM PST US
    From: chris cummins <cccstandard@yahoo.com>
    What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. Chris Cummins


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    Time: 05:10:03 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Prop
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    Chris, I've got a new Sensenich 72 x 40, which is supposed to be a climb prop for an A65. I get about 2000 rpm static out of it, and cannot get it to the redline (2300 RPM) in level flight with full throttle. I also have a St. Croix which was supposedly made for a Pietenpol and it is a 74 x 36. I haven't tried it yet, but intend to do so shortly. I am not impressed with my plane's ability to climb on a hot day with a heavy load. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris cummins Subject: What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. Chris Cummins


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    Time: 05:12:54 AM PST US
    Subject: RE:
    From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
    The word I have is 42 p and 72 length gives 2150 rpm 70 -71 mph at cruise 85-87 tops. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris cummins Subject: What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. Chris Cummins


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    Time: 05:17:09 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Prop
    I'm looking for anyone who is using an 80 hp Franklin to see what wooden prop they chose for their operations.So far I havn't had a good response.I have info on an 85 hp using a 72X43 but not sure if this is good for my app.Thanks. ________________________________
    From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop Chris, I've got a new Sensenich 72 x 40, which is supposed to be a climb prop for an A65. I get about 2000 rpm static out of it, and cannot get it to the redline (2300 RPM) in level flight with full throttle. I also have a St. Croix which was supposedly made for a Pietenpol and it is a 74 x 36. I haven't tried it yet, but intend to do so shortly. I am not impressed with my plane's ability to climb on a hot day with a heavy load. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris cummins Subject: What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. Chris Cummins


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    Time: 06:26:14 AM PST US
    From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: RE: Prop
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> I have a 80 hp Franklin which is now a 75hp because I needed new pistons and couldn't find 7:1 compression replacements. I had to go with 6.3:1 which drops it to 75 hp. It's not in the air yet but I just bought my prop from Tennessee props. They recomended a 72 X 42. Since the engine is similar in displacement to the Continental A65 it makes sence to me that they would be the same..The Franklin puts out 65hp at about the same rpm as the Continental but is 75 or 80 hp at 2500 rpm depending on the compression ratio..Sensenich recomended a 72X43 but their price was out of my budget zone..I decide it would be better to error on the low side than to try to swing too much prop for the engine. The tennessee prop has a fairly wide blade so maybe that's where the difference is between the two recomendations..Like I said I haven't flown it yet but did do my homework..Ed Grentzer >From: harvey.rule@bell.ca >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:16:40 -0400 > >I'm looking for anyone who is using an 80 hp Franklin to see what wooden >prop they chose for their operations.So far I havn't had a good >response.I have info on an 85 hp using a 72X43 but not sure if this is >good for my app.Thanks. > > >________________________________ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >Phillips, Jack >Sent: August 16, 2005 8:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop > > >Chris, > > >I've got a new Sensenich 72 x 40, which is supposed to be a climb prop >for an A65. I get about 2000 rpm static out of it, and cannot get it to >the redline (2300 RPM) in level flight with full throttle. I also have >a St. Croix which was supposedly made for a Pietenpol and it is a 74 x >36. I haven't tried it yet, but intend to do so shortly. I am not >impressed with my plane's ability to climb on a hot day with a heavy >load. > > >Jack Phillips > >NX899JP > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris >cummins >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:02 AM >To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server >Subject: > > >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 >or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. > >Chris Cummins > >


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    Time: 06:36:55 AM PST US
    From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Torque tube bearings?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> Hi Ben..If you're building your control tube to plans useing 1020 or mild steel all is cool..But if your're useing 4130 there is one welding author who says you shouldn't braze 4130 because it can cause it to split..He recomends welding it instead..I learned this after brazing mine with no problems and I've talked to guys who have flying Piets with brazed 4130..But "THEY" say you shouldn't as it can weaken the metal...Ed Grentzer >From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Torque tube bearings? >Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:16:31 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> > >Hi All, > >I'm in the process of fabricating my control sticks and torque tube. I was >planning to build them to the plans using bearings made of 1 inch tubing >that I have reamed to be a smooth fit on the 7/8 in torque tube. I've >noticed several web sites with pictures where the builder has used >ball-bearings in manufactured bearing carriers for the mount of both the >torque tube and the bellcrank for the elevator. I'd like a few opinions >pro/con of doing it Bernard's way, vs ball bearings, and also an idea where >the ball bearings could be purchased. Thanks in advance for the input. > >Ben Charvet >Mims, Fl > >Wing ribs built, fuselage sides joined > >


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    Time: 06:47:14 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Prop
    From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca Thanks very much for the return info Ed,I appreciate it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> I have a 80 hp Franklin which is now a 75hp because I needed new pistons and couldn't find 7:1 compression replacements. I had to go with 6.3:1 which drops it to 75 hp. It's not in the air yet but I just bought my prop from Tennessee props. They recomended a 72 X 42. Since the engine is similar in displacement to the Continental A65 it makes sence to me that they would be the same..The Franklin puts out 65hp at about the same rpm as the Continental but is 75 or 80 hp at 2500 rpm depending on the compression ratio..Sensenich recomended a 72X43 but their price was out of my budget zone..I decide it would be better to error on the low side than to try to swing too much prop for the engine. The tennessee prop has a fairly wide blade so maybe that's where the difference is between the two recomendations..Like I said I haven't flown it yet but did do my homework..Ed Grentzer >From: harvey.rule@bell.ca >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:16:40 -0400 > >I'm looking for anyone who is using an 80 hp Franklin to see what wooden >prop they chose for their operations.So far I havn't had a good >response.I have info on an 85 hp using a 72X43 but not sure if this is >good for my app.Thanks. > > >________________________________ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >Phillips, Jack >Sent: August 16, 2005 8:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Prop > > >Chris, > > >I've got a new Sensenich 72 x 40, which is supposed to be a climb prop >for an A65. I get about 2000 rpm static out of it, and cannot get it to >the redline (2300 RPM) in level flight with full throttle. I also have >a St. Croix which was supposedly made for a Pietenpol and it is a 74 x >36. I haven't tried it yet, but intend to do so shortly. I am not >impressed with my plane's ability to climb on a hot day with a heavy >load. > > >Jack Phillips > >NX899JP > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris >cummins >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:02 AM >To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server >Subject: > > >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 >or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. > >Chris Cummins > >


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    Time: 07:02:13 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: 65 hp props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. Mike C. At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or >42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. >Chris Cummins > >__________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:27:44 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> I have two props for my A-75. One is a 68x38, the other is a 68x40. I get about 3,350rpm static with the 68x40, and about 50 more with the 68x38. The 68x40 gives me about 70mph in cruise (~2,500rpm), the 68x38 gives me about 65mph. Solo climb is fair even on a hot day, maybe 400fpm. With two people it drops to probably 200-250. I don't have a VSI, so those are estimated numbers. Takeoff is very short, particularly with a headwind of anything more than 8-10mph. Steve Ruse N6383J - Dallas, TX & Norman, OK Quoting Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a > 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. > > Mike C. > > > At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: >> What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a >> 40 or 42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. >> Chris Cummins >> >> __________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 12:05:49 PM PST US
    Subject: 65 hp props
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu> I carved my own 72-42 using aa a pattern what was left of a Sensenich on my A-65. I now get 80 mph and slightly longer takeoff rolls. I think it is really performing like a 72-44. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. Mike C. At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or >42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. >Chris Cummins > >__________________________________________________


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    Time: 12:22:32 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    Mr. Steve, I had an A-65 Pietenpol and the only way I could have seen 80MPH was to have had someone pushing, flying straight down and just lieing about it. Would appreciate if you would pass your secret around to those of us suffering from a bad case of the slows. Could be this 220 ft density altitude.


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    Time: 12:38:05 PM PST US
    Subject: 65 hp props
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    Hi Corky, I could be lying about it, I've had to repent of things I've said in ignorance before.... In any case I was flying at 74 mph with the sensenich, and now I'm indicating 80 in cruise with full throttle. I think I checked it with the GPS once. In either case, slow is slow, and 6 mph is usually chewed up with winds anyway. Autos on the freeway still pass me by. I am flying at 5-7000' regularly. Our field elevation is 4500'. Maybe my true airspeed is getting a boost being so close to the jet stream! /Silly Nonsense/-o Steve E ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props Mr. Steve, I had an A-65 Pietenpol and the only way I could have seen 80MPH was to have had someone pushing, flying straight down and just lieing about it. Would appreciate if you would pass your secret around to those of us suffering from a bad case of the slows. Could be this 220 ft density altitude.


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    Time: 01:30:48 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    Do not archive I was the one who would have to lie, not you. Had a 66x48 McCauley metal prop at first. Had been cut off from a 72x48. We saw no difference after we installed a wood Hegy 72x42. Slow is slow but just think that you don't have so far to go when you head home.


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    Time: 01:42:26 PM PST US
    From: "Ken Anderson" <piet4ken@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: group photo at Brodhead with Javier
    That would be me ken anderson I;m still going through about 400 emails since vacation right now 127 left to go do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: group photo at Brodhead with Javier shoot--sorry Terry. I am embarrassed to say that I asked that gentleman his name and recognized it from the list. By the time I got home and downloaded the pics his name escaped me. Mike C. do not archive At 04:16 PM 8/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: Sorry, not me. That guy's a lot better looking than me. I still hope to make my first broadhead fly-in next year. Terry L. Bowden -----Original Message----- From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: group photo at Brodhead with Javier Guys-- Can anyone put a name with the gent in the orange shirt ? I want to say Terry Bowden but not sure. Sorry about that. L-R are Ed Grentzer, Family or friend of Javier, Jim Markle, Javier, Jack Phillips, John Hofman, and myself. Mike C. Attached Image: Bhead05GroupPhoto.jpg [Image removed]


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    Time: 02:58:20 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE:
    In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:13:59 AM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule@bell.ca writes: The word I have is 42 p and 72 length gives 2150 rpm 70 -71 mph at cruise 85-87 tops. That's about what I get from my homebuilt 72 X 42 prop, with Cont. A65 engine. I added aerodynamic fairings to the gear legs, and jury struts, and now I have to hold some forward stick pressure. I plan on removing the fixed trim tabs on the flippers. The fairings helped clean up the parasite drag, a little bit. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 05:51:20 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Mike and everyone. For top speed, I've found that on the Piet the yaw is very critical. If the ball is a little off and you step on it, you can just feel a big change in speed. Also, at altitude if I push the stick forward slightly to get it "on step" (don't know if that's a real term , or we made it up) it really cranks. You'd swear it was diving/losing altitude but it's not. It flattens the low pressure arch over the wing and keeps you there. Anyone else do this? Going like a rocket in NJ : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a > 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. > > Mike C. > > > At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or > >42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. > >Chris Cummins > > > >__________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 06:37:07 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    I had a Continental A 65 engine in my Pietenpol for the first few years and then installed a C 85 in order to have some reserve power on a hot day with a full load. The propeller used with the A 65 that gave the best results was a Sensenich 72CK42. I could get about 2150 rpm static and cruised at the same revs. At this power setting, it made about 74 mph in cruise and full throttle in level flight would give about 2250 rpm (short of the rated 2300 rpm of the A 65) and perhaps 78 mph tops. The Pietenpol is a bit draggy; a cleaner a/c like the Taylorcraft I once owned would top out at 95-100 mph at 2300 rpm with the same engine/propeller combination, and cruise almost 90 mph at 2150 rpm. Another propeller that gave similar results was a Flottorp 72A48 (the pitch numbers for different makes vary). A Flottorp 72A46 was pretty good, but the cruise dropped to about 70 mph at 2150 rpm. (If one cruised it at 2200 rpm, the cruise speed increased to that of the 72CK42, but fuel economy suffered.) A Sensenich 72CK44 was tried, but proved to be a bit too coarse pitch-wise and the climb rate suffered accordingly. With the A 65, the climb was never that good anyway, and in cruise with full load it was often necessary to add whatever excess power that was available to just maintain height! (The average elevation around here is about 2400' asl and the density altitude can get up there on a hot summer day.) Installing a C 85 made a huge difference to the overall performance of my Pietenpol--particularly in the climb, but it still is no speedster at about 80 mph with a 72x43 custom prop turning at 2300 rpm. However it is particularly nice to have power in reserve--a feature lacking with only 65 hp. A friend used a Warp Drive ground-adjustable propeller on his A 65-powered Pietenpol for several years and said he was able to optimize its performance rather easily. He broke the Warp Drive prop in a mishap and replaced it with a custom wooden one on the C 85 he has since installed. (I suspect he didn't like the appearance of the WD prop on the Piet, so didn't get new blades.) The Warp Drive propeller is a viable option. Shawn Wolk from Manitoba, Canada has one on his Pietenpol, and has reported his experience with it to this list. Has anyone else tried one? Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in cool, cloudy Alberta, Canada)


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    Time: 07:03:53 PM PST US
    Subject: 65 hp props
    From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Walt, Your are right-on-step! It worked well in my 140, usually increasing the speed 5 mph. Sometimes when it wasn't stepping I could just deploy the flaps a smidge to get her going. Jack Textor ________________________________ Mike and everyone. For top speed, I've found that on the Piet the yaw is very critical. If the ball is a little off and you step on it, you can just feel a big change in speed. Also, at altitude if I push the stick forward slightly to get it "on step" (don't know if that's a real term , or we made it up) it really cranks. You'd swear it was diving/losing altitude but it's not. It flattens the low pressure arch over the wing and keeps you there. Anyone else do this? Going like a rocket in NJ : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a > 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. > > Mike C. > > > At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or > >42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. > >Chris Cummins > > > >__________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 07:49:42 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: 65 hp props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com> I've noticed that putting the nose down a little will increase speed without losing altitude. I've dropped the nose a little before, watched the speed go up and stay up (just a few MPH). I'll look at the altimeter after a few minutes, expecting to have lost a couple hundred feet, but I haven't lost any. I'll have to play with the yaw as well. I have to hold right rudder in climb, I need to add a little more trim tab to help keep my yaw down, I'm not always on top of it as much as I could be. Steve Ruse N6383J -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Mike and everyone. For top speed, I've found that on the Piet the yaw is very critical. If the ball is a little off and you step on it, you can just feel a big change in speed. Also, at altitude if I push the stick forward slightly to get it "on step" (don't know if that's a real term , or we made it up) it really cranks. You'd swear it was diving/losing altitude but it's not. It flattens the low pressure arch over the wing and keeps you there. Anyone else do this? Going like a rocket in NJ : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 65 hp props > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Chris- I use a wood 72-42 and it gives good climb performance and about a > 72 mph cruise speed at 2150 rpm. > > Mike C. > > > At 05:01 AM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >What pitch prop are you running with an A65 ? I am leaning towards a 40 or > >42. Not sure which one will give me the RPM I desire. > >Chris Cummins > > > >__________________________________________________ > > -- --


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    Time: 08:06:19 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:52:20 PM Central Standard Time, wbeevans@verizon.net writes: Mike and everyone. For top speed, I've found that on the Piet the yaw is very critical. If the ball is a little off and you step on it, you can just feel a big change in speed. Also, at altitude if I push the stick forward slightly to get it "on step" (don't know if that's a real term , or we made it up) it really cranks. You'd swear it was diving/losing altitude but it's not. It flattens the low pressure arch over the wing and keeps you there. Anyone else do this? Going like a rocket in NJ : ) walt evans NX140DL Yes, I've found this to be true, too. Especially transitioning from climb to cruise. I always leave full power in until cruise speed is reached, then adjust power till no pressure is needed on the stick to maintain altitude. It planes out at about 63 mph indicated, which is actually about 72 or 73 mph. Some day I'll have to try to correct the ASI by adding an O-ring in front of the static port on the pitot / static probe. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 08:12:51 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 65 hp props
    In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:29:12 AM Central Standard Time, steve@wotelectronics.com writes: I have two props for my A-75. One is a 68x38, the other is a 68x40. I get about 3,350rpm static with the 68x40, and about 50 more with the 68x38. The 68x40 gives me about 70mph in cruise (~2,500rpm), the 68x38 gives me about 65mph. Steve, Do you really get 3350 static rpm with those props ? That sounds very high for these small engines. I know they really crank 'em up to race with, but it shortens the life of the engine. Chuck G. NX770CG




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