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1. 04:18 AM - Re: A-65 Oil Pressure (Phillips, Jack)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Tape to use on airlerons and elevator ()
3. 05:09 AM - Re: A-65 Oil Pressure ()
4. 05:18 AM - Re: A-65 Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 05:29 AM - First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: First Flights (Nav8799h@aol.com)
7. 05:51 AM - Re: First Flights (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
8. 06:03 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
9. 06:09 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
10. 06:11 AM - tape to use on ailerons and elevator (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 06:28 AM - Re: First Flights (Phillips, Jack)
12. 06:40 AM - Re: First Flights (Nav8799h@aol.com)
13. 07:01 AM - On Building an RV (Phillips, Jack)
14. 07:08 AM - Re: First Flights (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
15. 07:57 AM - Re: First Flights (Dick Navratil)
16. 12:32 PM - A-65 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: A-65 (Christian Bobka)
18. 02:06 PM - Gas tank size (Egan, John)
19. 02:39 PM - Re: A-65 Oil Pressure (Rcaprd@aol.com)
20. 02:57 PM - Re: tape to use on ailerons and elevator (John Dilatush)
21. 03:16 PM - Re: First Flights (Rcaprd@aol.com)
22. 07:17 PM - Re: Gas tank size ()
23. 07:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 08/22/05 (kmordecai001@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | A-65 Oil Pressure |
What did you have to do to get it running, Corky? And how long did you
let it run before shutting it down? Mine often takes the full 30
seconds to get any indication on the oil pressure gage, as it is a long
way from the engine to the rear cockpit
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Oil Pressure
Pieters,
We have the engine running, finally. Had to cut it off as there is no
oil pressure. I filled the oil outlet to the gauge with oil but nothing
happened. Any comments.
Corky in only 100 degrees today
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| Subject: | Re: Tape to use on airlerons and elevator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
>Thanks for the reply Chuck;that was one of the methods I had thought of but I
figured you guys had some preference to a particular type of tape.When you think
of it though,you don't really want a sticky surface in the middle anyway.I
will use 5 inch ceconite tape on the airlerones and I think the three inch should
be plenty on the tail.
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 05:17:03 EST
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tape to use on airlerons and elevator
>
> In a message dated 8/23/2005 11:59:59 AM Central Standard Time,
> harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
> I?d like to know what is the best tape to use in these places for gap cover?I
> will order the one you guys say is best.Thanks in advance for any advice.
> I used covering material process, applied to both sides, before paint.
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Oil Pressure |
Corky,
Have you purged the air from the oil pressure gauge line?
Oil pressure on ours took a LOOOOONG time to register on the gauge
until we purged all of the air from the gauge line.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Oil Pressure
Pieters,
We have the engine running, finally. Had to cut it off as there is no oil pressure.
I filled the oil outlet to the gauge with oil but nothing happened. Any
comments.
Corky in only 100 degrees today
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Oil Pressure |
I'm working on that today.....Thanks It's been so damn hot here I can only
stand a few hours a day and I have to wait for my prop-er to show up.
Corky
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27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 08:28:37 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Congratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.
Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee made
her first flight also.
The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 F
and a density altitude of 2400 Ft.
The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performs
flawless.
I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answers
that have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for all
builders.
Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was always
able to find answers on the list or in the archives.
Thank you All,
I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
I will start with this;
My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
Empty weight 680 Lbs
Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
The main deviations from plans are:
1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V slightly)
2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall.
Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
Carburetor: Zenith 1821
I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little
every day.
I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year
and a half and holding a day job)
Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
Hans van der Voort
Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss Banshee
Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
That is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and at
nearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how many of
these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be an
interesting statistic.
I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during the
winter season, generally from November through March. I never kept track of the
hours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going to do for
winter entertainment now?
Again congratulations on your first flight.
Lou
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa are you
any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I don't know
if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next month if all goes
well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the way what do you guys
do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I use Downy fabric softener clothes
all over the plane wherever there is an opening to make sure the mice
don't get in.They don't like the smell of Downy.I'm not quite sure if there is
anything that can be sprayed in the cylinders.I heard that just squirting some
oil in is all that it really takes.I was given these things that look like they
go into the spark plug holes and they have what appears to be a crystal inside
the glass case.I'm not sure but I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody
else ever seen these things?
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Congratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.
Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee made
her first flight also.
The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 F
and a density altitude of 2400 Ft.
The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performs
flawless.
I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answers
that have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for all
builders.
Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was always
able to find answers on the list or in the archives.
Thank you All,
I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
I will start with this;
My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
Empty weight 680 Lbs
Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
The main deviations from plans are:
1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V slightly)
2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall.
Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
Carburetor: Zenith 1821
I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little
every day.
I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year
and a half and holding a day job)
Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
Hans van der Voort
Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss Banshee
Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:02:34 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Lou,
Thanks, for my next project I lean towards a Culver Cadet.
Again wood build, 100 Hp but little faster.
Just need to find some costruction plans.
Hans
Nav8799h@aol.com
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That is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and at
nearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how many
of these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be an
interesting statistic.
I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during the
winter season, generally from November through March. I never kept track
of the hours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going to
do for winter entertainment now?
Again congratulations on your first flight.
Lou
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27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:08:58 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Harvey,
Could be, a few of my father's cousins moved from Holland to Canada in the
50's.
Myself I am a fresh import.
I do not plan to winterize the Pietepol, Texas weather does not know
Canadian winters.
Winter here looks like your summer.
For your engine I would use fogging oil, you get it at a boat supply store.
You use it to winterize boat engines.
Hans
harvey.rule@bell.
ca
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08/24/2005 07:51
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa are
you any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I don't
know if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next month if
all goes well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the way what
do you guys do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I use Downy
fabric softener clothes all over the plane wherever there is an opening to
make sure the mice don't get in.They don't like the smell of Downy.I'm not
quite sure if there is anything that can be sprayed in the cylinders.I
heard that just squirting some oil in is all that it really takes.I was
given these things that look like they go into the spark plug holes and
they have what appears to be a crystal inside the glass case.I'm not sure
but I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody else ever seen these
things?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Congratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.
Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee
made
her first flight also.
The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 F
and a density altitude of 2400 Ft.
The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performs
flawless.
I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answers
that have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for all
builders.
Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was always
able to find answers on the list or in the archives.
Thank you All,
I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
I will start with this;
My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
Empty weight 680 Lbs
Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
The main deviations from plans are:
1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V
slightly)
2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to
Firewall.
Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
Carburetor: Zenith 1821
I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little
every day.
I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year
and a half and holding a day job)
Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
Hans van der Voort
Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss Banshee
Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
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| Subject: | tape to use on ailerons and elevator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Harvey wrote-
>I'd like to know what is the best tape to use in these places for
>gap cover? I will order the one you guys say is best.
Well, I have not used this myself (yet), but one of the guys over on the
KRNet suggested "gaffers tape" for use on the wing gap seals on KRs. This
is tape that is used in movie sets to tape wiring down onto the floor, so it
doesn't have adhesive down the middle part of the tape... the part that
would be over the gap between the wing and the control surface. It's
available in an assortment of colors. Here's one example:
http://www34.pair.com/harrison/thetapeworks.com/progaff.htm
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Lou, if you're like me, you will want to relax and take it easy for a
month or so, then start wanting to build another airplane.
I got hooked on the RV-10 at OSH this year and am already cleaning up
the workshop in anticipation of starting on it. I want to see just how
easy a kit is compared to a REAL airplane project. I had to promise my
fiancee that I would not start working on it until next winter, but I
figure if I spend enough time drooling over the plans and info package
this fall (as well as remind her everytime we take a trip in the car,
"Gee honey, if we had the RV-10 we would have been there 4 hours ago")
she might relent and suggest that I get started on it this winter. I'm
already working that angle. We've got to go visit a friend of hers in
Northern Virginia over Labor Day, and it will be a 5-1/2 hour drive from
Raleigh. The RV could make the same trip in 51 minutes. Even the
Pietenpol could do it in 2-1/2 hours (the roads don't go straight).
I miss having an airplane in the basement.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Nav8799h@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
That is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and
at nearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how
many of these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might
be an interesting statistic.
I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during the
winter season, generally from November through March. I never kept
track of the hours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I
going to do for winter entertainment now?
Again congratulations on your first flight.
Lou
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
Well as far as the wife situation goes, we have a Navion as the other
airplane and she is pretty happy going places in that. In the short/long run
retirement is getting closer and I would like to find something to replace the
Navion with that is a little less expensive to own and operate. Requirements
are the gear has to be down all of the time and the prop does move in any other
direction other than around and around.
I cannot get to excited about the RV's, there are just too many of them
around, nothing exciting. Have been doing some research on the Barracuda (wheels
go up, and the prop moves) or the Glastar. I really don't know if putting a
kit together would be the same thing. It might be a little like the Barbie
houses when my daughter was small.
My basement is now clean and definitely needs something for this winter.
Maybe I'll go back to putting RC's together, use to do that years ago. Not
cheap, but less than the real thing.
Lou
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| Subject: | On Building an RV |
Yeah, Lou,
I have a hard time thinking about building a plane just like 2,000 other
ones. But I'll always have the Pietenpol, which will always be utterly
unique. I considered buying a Navion, or a Bellanca Viking (lot's of
bang for the buck), but for a little bit more money and a couple of
years of assembly I can get much better performance with an RV-10 and
much less maintenance worry since the gear is fixed. I need at least
three seats and would like a cruise speed up around 170 knots so long
trips can be made quickly. Nothing else offers that kind of performance
for anywhere near that kind of money. But it will still be a "Spam
Can".
I figure I really need 4 airplanes: a "Low and Slow" type (the
Pietenpol fills that perfectly), an aerobatic ship (would prefer
something unusual, like a DeHavilland Chipmunk, or an old Waco
Taperwing), a fast travelling airplane (RV-10 would be perfect here),
and a seaplane. All I need to do is win the lottery and I might be able
to afford all those. As it is, it will be a struggle to be able to
afford to build the RV-10 (thank God for home equity loans), and I can't
even think about affording the "quickbuild" kit.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jack Phillips
Icarus "Not a Spam Can" Plummet
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Nav8799h@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Well as far as the wife situation goes, we have a Navion as the other
airplane and she is pretty happy going places in that. In the
short/long run retirement is getting closer and I would like to find
something to replace the Navion with that is a little less expensive to
own and operate. Requirements are the gear has to be down all of the
time and the prop does move in any other direction other than around and
around.
I cannot get to excited about the RV's, there are just too many of them
around, nothing exciting. Have been doing some research on the
Barracuda (wheels go up, and the prop moves) or the Glastar. I really
don't know if putting a kit together would be the same thing. It might
be a little like the Barbie houses when my daughter was small.
My basement is now clean and definitely needs something for this winter.
Maybe I'll go back to putting RC's together, use to do that years ago.
Not cheap, but less than the real thing.
Lou
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
Thanks a million Hans.
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Harvey,
Could be, a few of my father's cousins moved from Holland to Canada in the
50's.
Myself I am a fresh import.
I do not plan to winterize the Pietepol, Texas weather does not know
Canadian winters.
Winter here looks like your summer.
For your engine I would use fogging oil, you get it at a boat supply store.
You use it to winterize boat engines.
Hans
harvey.rule@bell.
ca
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa are
you any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I don't
know if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next month if
all goes well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the way what
do you guys do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I use Downy
fabric softener clothes all over the plane wherever there is an opening to
make sure the mice don't get in.They don't like the smell of Downy.I'm not
quite sure if there is anything that can be sprayed in the cylinders.I
heard that just squirting some oil in is all that it really takes.I was
given these things that look like they go into the spark plug holes and
they have what appears to be a crystal inside the glass case.I'm not sure
but I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody else ever seen these
things?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Congratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.
Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee
made
her first flight also.
The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 F
and a density altitude of 2400 Ft.
The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performs
flawless.
I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answers
that have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for all
builders.
Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was always
able to find answers on the list or in the archives.
Thank you All,
I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
I will start with this;
My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
Empty weight 680 Lbs
Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
The main deviations from plans are:
1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V
slightly)
2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to
Firewall.
Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
Carburetor: Zenith 1821
I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little
every day.
I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year
and a half and holding a day job)
Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
Hans van der Voort
Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss Banshee
Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Congrats to both of you on first flights.
On the question of winterizing- I just turn my engine over a couple of times
every few weeks and start it up on an occasional nice day. I'm in Minnesota
so a nice day can be 30+.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa
> are you any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I
> don't know if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next
> month if all goes well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the
> way what do you guys do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I
> use Downy fabric softener clothes all over the plane wherever there is an
> opening to make sure the mice don't get in.They don't like the smell of
> Downy.I'm not quite sure if there is anything that can be sprayed in the
> cylinders.I heard that just squirting some oil in is all that it really
> takes.I was given these things that look like they go into the spark plug
> holes and they have what appears to be a crystal inside the glass case.I'm
> not sure but I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody else ever
> seen these things?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
> Sent: August 24, 2005 8:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
>
>
> Congratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.
>
> Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee
> made
> her first flight also.
>
> The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 F
> and a density altitude of 2400 Ft.
>
> The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performs
> flawless.
>
> I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and
> answers
> that have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for all
> builders.
> Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was always
> able to find answers on the list or in the archives.
>
> Thank you All,
>
> I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
>
> I will start with this;
> My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
> Empty weight 680 Lbs
> Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
> The main deviations from plans are:
> 1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V
> slightly)
> 2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
> 3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to
> Firewall.
>
> Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
> Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
> Carburetor: Zenith 1821
>
> I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little
> every day.
> I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year
> and a half and holding a day job)
>
> Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
>
> Hans van der Voort
> Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss Banshee
> Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
>
>
>
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Pieters,
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I used most of them.
This morning before it reached 90 my man was proping after we had primed
each cyl through the top plugs. He pulled it through about 4 times and nothing.
On the next prop I moved the throttle to about 1/3 open. She fired. I had an
oil pressure guage fitted next to the case. Oil pressure began to show after
20 or so seconds finally up to 30 @ 1200 rpm. I would reduce the throttle
below 1000 and it would begin to stop so kept it at 1200 for about 5 minutes
but
each time I lowered it below 1000 it tried to die.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
something tells me that I must have a problem in the idle system somewhere.
But where?
I had taken the carb apart several times to clean and check everything
according to the manuals EXCEPT that little brass tube sticking up out of the
lower body. I have another old carb body so I put that little tube in the vise
and carefully turned the body until it loosened. I removed and examined.
Studying the manual this was the idle metering tube. The lower end being the idle
metering jet. It was blocked with no light to be seen through it. With some
brass safety wire I began to clean and sure enough there was a jet hole there.
I removed the carb on the engine, took it apart again and removed the idle
metering tube and guess what I found. Yep, no hole and it took quite awhile to
finally clean the gook out. It's clean now and all reassembled. When my
prop-er comes back we will see if it works.
Sorry this has been so drawn out but I wanted it in the archives in case
someone in the future is faced with identical problems.
Had to stop as the temp just jumped to 100 and as we say down here, you talk
about, man it's hot.
Corky
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I am sure glad to live up nawth where it is a cool 75.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65
Pieters,
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I used most of them.
This morning before it reached 90 my man was proping after we had primed each
cyl through the top plugs. He pulled it through about 4 times and nothing. On
the next prop I moved the throttle to about 1/3 open. She fired. I had an oil
pressure guage fitted next to the case. Oil pressure began to show after 20 or
so seconds finally up to 30 @ 1200 rpm. I would reduce the throttle below 1000
and it would begin to stop so kept it at 1200 for about 5 minutes but each
time I lowered it below 1000 it tried to die. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
something tells me that I must have a problem in the idle system somewhere. But
where?
I had taken the carb apart several times to clean and check everything according
to the manuals EXCEPT that little brass tube sticking up out of the lower
body. I have another old carb body so I put that little tube in the vise and carefully
turned the body until it loosened. I removed and examined. Studying the
manual this was the idle metering tube. The lower end being the idle metering
jet. It was blocked with no light to be seen through it. With some brass safety
wire I began to clean and sure enough there was a jet hole there.
I removed the carb on the engine, took it apart again and removed the idle metering
tube and guess what I found. Yep, no hole and it took quite awhile to finally
clean the gook out. It's clean now and all reassembled. When my prop-er
comes back we will see if it works.
Sorry this has been so drawn out but I wanted it in the archives in case someone
in the future is faced with identical problems.
Had to stop as the temp just jumped to 100 and as we say down here, you talk
about, man it's hot.
Corky
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will
next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to
build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I
thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which
makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per
gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a
Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair
engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the
flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to
compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience?
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Oil Pressure |
In a message dated 8/24/2005 6:19:34 AM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
Mine often takes the full 30 seconds to get any indication on the oil
pressure gage, as it is a long way from the engine to the rear cockpit
I've purged the air from my oil line before I ever started the engine for the
first time, and it still takes maybe 20 seconds for the gage to read,
especially after it sits for a few weeks. It seems like an eternity staring at
the
gage thinking...c'mon...c'mon...gimmee a reading...
If I run the engine on a daily basis, it has a reading before I can even get
from the spinning prop to the left side of the cockpit. It seems to me, that
the oil drains down past the pump gears, and empties some of the oil from the
screen area, which has to fill up before getting a gage reading. By raising
the tail, you dump the residual oil from the screen area that can't drain out,
and prime the pump with it. If the plane sits level for a period of time, you
loose the oil in the screen area, and and another means to prime the pump is
required.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: tape to use on ailerons and elevator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tape to use on ailerons and elevator
===================================
Oscar,
Look at the tape used to seal the wing root gaps on sailplanes after
assembly. I used it, works well. May be able to find it on the internet,
my friend, a sailplane owner/pilot gave me a roll to use.
Drop your control surface all the way down then apply tape to the gap, will
form only a very small hump when surface is at neutral position.
Hope this helps,
John
==================================
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Harvey wrote-
>
>>I'd like to know what is the best tape to use in these places for
>>gap cover? I will order the one you guys say is best.
>
> Well, I have not used this myself (yet), but one of the guys over on the
> KRNet suggested "gaffers tape" for use on the wing gap seals on KRs. This
> is tape that is used in movie sets to tape wiring down onto the floor, so
> it doesn't have adhesive down the middle part of the tape... the part that
> would be over the gap between the wing and the control surface. It's
> available in an assortment of colors. Here's one example:
> http://www34.pair.com/harrison/thetapeworks.com/progaff.htm
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
Lou and Hans,
A hearty CONGRATULATIONS to you on your first flights !! Quite a milestone
!!
In a message dated 8/24/2005 8:30:05 AM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
I got hooked on the RV-10 at OSH this year and am already cleaning up the
workshop in anticipation of starting on it.
Jack and all,
Have you considered a Wittman Tailwind W10 ? Did you also notice that one of
them won First Place 'Formula FX' race this year at Osh, beating out all
similar horsepower RV's, canards, and other glass planes, with an average speed
of 218 mph ? Yeah, I know it's a two place, but it is a scratch built plane,
well under half the price of an RV, and it sure is FAAAAAST !!
Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, but a Wittman W10 is my current project.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
looking forward to passing up all those RV's when the Tailwind is done !!
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Hi John,
NX18235 has a center section built to the
Keri-Ann Price plans.
A 15 gallon tank was built to fit this center
section.
This aircraft has an empty weight of 616 #
and has flown at weights in excess of 1125#
on 85 deg. F. days.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
>
> As I approach the completion of my wings
> (wooden completion), I will
> next work on the center section. I recall
> some Pieters recommending to
> build the center section 36" wide to
> accommodate a larger fuel tank. I
> thought I heard that a 36" section will
> hold about 14 gallons, which
> makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 =
> 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per
> gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87
> pounds of fuel a lot for a
> Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in
> it? Let's assume a Corvair
> engine, extended fuselage, limited
> avionics, and let's assume 90% of the
> flying time carries only one person in the
> plane (for those who enjoy to
> compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet,
> experience?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 08/22/05 |
Time: 03:13:59 PM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65
Pieters:
I need a lot of help. Can't start engine without pouring raw fuel in the top
plug holes. Have started twice. First time it ran for about 10 seconds. Next
day, same priming procedure, it ran for about 15 seconds. Has anyone
experienced this behavior with your 65? I've overhauled the carb daily, new
steel
needle and seat, gaskets. I took the brass revolving plate, mixture, out. Read
the A-65 manual until the print is fading also the Stromberg NA-S3A1 manual.
The only thing I can't comply with from the manual is the 18 inch head of fuel
above the carb. I only have 8 inches from tank bottom to carb bottom.
Will one of you engine know-hows please come to my rescue?
Mags are very hot from rebuild. Engine has new bearings, guides, rings etc.
Thanks in advance
Corky In La trying to start this d--- thing in 102 temp.
Corky,
I'm new to the list and new to A-65's, only had mine for a couple of weeks now,
but I've learned a little about the Stromberg NA-S3A1 in my brief ownership:
Set the fuel level by the book (and you're right to use the steel needle, a swollen
neoprene tip started my Stromberg lessons).
I set mine up on the bench in a pie tin to contain any leaks, leveled it , and
used a clean gear lube container hung from overhead & tygon tubing to simulate
the actual head of 1/2 tank fuel in the plane. (figured that was "average" head)
Took about 6-8 attempts to get it right, but the color of the plugs is perfect
now.
Get this right because if the level is just slightly high she'll run fuel out of
the atomizer as soon as you turn on the fuel shutoff valve. Normal level is
just under the atomizer ports.
If you have the idle mixture screw about 1.5 turns out from seated and the idle
ports are clear, she should take about 4-6 blades to get fuel into the cylinders
and then start right up. Others will tell you otherwise, but I don't think
you can adjust the idle mixture on this or any other carb/engine without the
engine running. Yes, it's dangerous, but the screw is pointed aft & you're well
away from the prop with a long screwdriver. Just be careful and have the plane
tied/chocked and a safety man with a hand on the mag switch. (Can't imagine
trying to adjust the idle on my old BMW motorcycle by repeated starts/stops/adjustments...what
a pain)
Other Stuff to check:
Has the idle speed screw been moved since the engine last ran? Having the throttle
plate just slightly open too far will result in no fuel being drawn from
the idle mixture port(s). Check for intake leaks at the intake elbow to head
flanges, will result in the same thing.
Ignition timing: The A&P who built my engine was a stickler on this. Both impulse
mags click simultaneously, timing is dead on. (New Slicks & harnesses)
On the oil pressure issue: My engine will fail to develop oil pressure after an
oil change or sitting for several weeks unless I remove the oil pressure sending
line and pump about 1/2 a squirt can of oil into it. Just keep a big pump
oil can around with about 2 feet of 1/4 tygon tubing clamped on it's spout. There
are a couple of old Cub pilots around here who turned me onto this trick.
It takes several ounces to fill the pump cavity. Be generous.
Dave Mordecai in Panacea, Fl (heat index of 105 today, too &#*$
# hot to fly)
Time: 03:13:59 PM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65
Pieters:
I need a lot of help. Can't start engine without pouring raw fuel in the top
plug holes. Have started twice. First time it ran for about 10 seconds. Next
day, same priming procedure, it ran for about 15 seconds. Has anyone
experienced this behavior with your 65? I've overhauled the carb daily, new
steel
needle and seat, gaskets. I took the brass revolving plate, mixture, out. Read
the A-65 manual until the print is fading also the Stromberg NA-S3A1 manual.
The only thing I can't comply with from the manual is the 18 inch head of fuel
above the carb. I only have 8 inches from tank bot
tom to carb bottom.
Will one of you engine know-hows please come to my rescue?
Mags are very hot from rebuild. Engine has new bearings, guides, rings etc.
Thanks in advance
Corky In La trying to start this d--- thing in 102 temp.
Corky,
I'm new to the list and new to A-65's, only had mine for a couple of weeks now,
but I've learned a little about the Stromberg NA-S3A1 in my brief ownership:
Set the fuel level by the book (and you're right to use the steel needle, a swollen
neoprene tip started my Stromberg lessons).
I set mine up on the bench in a pie tin to contain any leaks, leveled it ,and used
a clean gear lube container hung from overhead tygon tubing to simulate the
actual head of 1/2 tank fuel in the plane. (figured that was "average" head)
Took about6-8 attempts to get it right, but the color of the plugs is perfect
now.
Get this right because if the level is just slightly high she'll run fuel out of
the atomizer as soon as you turn on the fuel shutoff valve. Normal level is
just under the atomizer ports.
If you have the idle mixture screw about 1.5 turns out from seated and the idle
ports are clear, she should take about 4-6 blades to get fuel into the cylinders
and then start right up. Otherswill tell you otherwise, but I don't think
you can adjust the idle mixture on this or any other carb/engine without the engine
running. Yes, it's dangerous, but the screw is pointed aft you're well
away from the prop with a long screwdriver. Just be careful and have the plane
tied/chocked and a safety man witha hand on the mag switch.(Can't imagine trying
to adjust the idle on my old BMW motorcycle by repeated starts/stops/adjustments...what
a pain)
Other Stuff to check:
Has the idle speed screw been moved since the engine last ran? Having the throttle
plate just slightly open too far will result in no fuel being drawn from the
idle mixture port(s).Check for intake leaks at the intake elbow to head flanges,
will result in the same thing.
Ignition timing: The AP who built my engine was a stickler on this. Both impulse
mags click simultaneously, timing is dead on. (New Slicks harnesses)
On the oil pressure issue: My engine will fail to develop oil pressure after an
oil change or sitting for several weeks unless I remove the oil pressure sending
line and pump about 1/2 a squirt canof oil into it.Just keep a big pump oil
can around with about 2 feet of 1/4 tygon tubing clamped on it's spout. There
are a couple of oldCub pilots aroundhere who turnedme onto this trick.It takes
several ounces to fill the pump cavity. Be generous.
Dave Mordecai in Panacea, Fl (heat index of 105 today, too #*$
# hot to fly)
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