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1. 12:44 AM - Fw: left coast piets (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:00 AM - Re: A-65 (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
3. 04:18 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Phillips, Jack)
4. 04:29 AM - Re: First Flights (Phillips, Jack)
5. 05:09 AM - Re: Gas tank size (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
6. 05:36 AM - Re: Gas tank size (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Phillips, Jack)
8. 05:48 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Michael D Cuy)
9. 05:50 AM - Re: First Flights (Rick Holland)
10. 05:52 AM - Re: Gas tank size (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
11. 06:11 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Egan, John)
12. 06:48 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
13. 07:53 AM - hard seat (Dick Navratil)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower)
15. 08:32 AM - Re: First Flights (Bill Church)
16. 08:49 AM - Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (harvey.rule@bell.ca)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com)
18. 10:04 AM - Re: First Flights (Bill Church)
19. 10:16 AM - Re: First Flights (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
20. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. ()
21. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower)
22. 06:20 PM - Hans new web site (Michael Turrell)
23. 06:34 PM - Re: Hans new web site (HVandervoo@aol.com)
24. 06:48 PM - Thanks Hans (Michael Turrell)
25. 07:43 PM - fixed landing gear (Dick Navratil)
26. 10:40 PM - Re: First Flights (Clif Dawson)
27. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Clif Dawson)
28. 11:47 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Clif Dawson)
29. 11:53 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | left coast piets |
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: left coast piets
They're all on Vancouver Island. :-)
The oldest continuously registered aircraft in Canada, CF-AOG,
is flying off a private strip, one is flying out of Naniamo and the
other is completed and in flight testing, again, at Naniamo.
I almost forgot! It appears Dave Rowe has been posted to
the far Atlantic Coast somewhere. I don't know the status of
both his planes but some time ago they were under tarps
in the corner of a hanger at Pat Bay ( Victoria International ).
The attached photo is the one currently testing, built by Dean Sevold.
Powered by a Ford "B"
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: DONALD COOLEY
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seals
Hello Group,
I was wondering.....how about using piano hinges for elevators? The only
real drawback I can see is that it wouldn't look "authentic". Maybe function
dictates form? I plan using piano hinges for the ailerons, so this seems not
too out of line. Comments?
BTW, I just returned from the NWAAC Fly-in at McMinnville, Oregon. There
was not a single Piet at this fairly prestigious event. Mine is still probably
several years from attending. Will it be the first? Where are all the Left
Coast Piets? The world awaits an answer!
Keep the sawdust flyin'! Don Cooley
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Don't wory ,Texan's get their fair share of snow and rotten weather from
what I've seen.It just doesn't last as long.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65
I am sure glad to live up nawth where it is a cool 75.
Chris
Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65
Pieters,
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I used most of them.
This morning before it reached 90 my man was proping after we
had primed each cyl through the top plugs. He pulled it through about 4
times and nothing. On the next prop I moved the throttle to about 1/3
open. She fired. I had an oil pressure guage fitted next to the case.
Oil pressure began to show after 20 or so seconds finally up to 30 @
1200 rpm. I would reduce the throttle below 1000 and it would begin to
stop so kept it at 1200 for about 5 minutes but each time I lowered it
below 1000 it tried to die. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
something tells me that I must have a problem in the idle system
somewhere. But where?
I had taken the carb apart several times to clean and check
everything according to the manuals EXCEPT that little brass tube
sticking up out of the lower body. I have another old carb body so I put
that little tube in the vise and carefully turned the body until it
loosened. I removed and examined. Studying the manual this was the idle
metering tube. The lower end being the idle metering jet. It was blocked
with no light to be seen through it. With some brass safety wire I began
to clean and sure enough there was a jet hole there.
I removed the carb on the engine, took it apart again and
removed the idle metering tube and guess what I found. Yep, no hole and
it took quite awhile to finally clean the gook out. It's clean now and
all reassembled. When my prop-er comes back we will see if it works.
Sorry this has been so drawn out but I wanted it in the archives
in case someone in the future is faced with identical problems.
Had to stop as the temp just jumped to 100 and as we say down
here, you talk about, man it's hot.
Corky
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
You always have the option to keep the tank less than full. With a
smaller tank you don't have the option to carry more fuel. With a
Pietenpol's limited ability to battle headwinds, I would think anything
less than 3 hours of fuel capacity is pretty limiting. I find that a
leg longer than 2 hours is pretty uncomfortable, but it is nice to be
able to handle a 3 hour leg if necessary.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will
next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to
build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I
thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which
makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per
gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a
Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair
engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the
flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to
compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience?
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I would consider a Tailwind if I were building a 2 place travelling
airplane. I admire Wittman's designs from a functionality standpoint.
I don't think his designs are particularly pretty, but they certainly
are efficient. But I want a 4 place plane that is fast with good short
field characteristics. I am considering an RV-10, a Murphy Moose, and a
Bearhawk. So far, the RV-10 looks like it has the most bang for the
buck.
Ran across a deal on an RV-4 yesterday, but I don't think I can swing
the cash for the deal without selling the Pietenpol which I refuse to
even consider.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
=09
=09
Jack and all,
Have you considered a Wittman Tailwind W10 ? Did you also notice that
one of them won First Place 'Formula FX' race this year at Osh, beating
out all similar horsepower RV's, canards, and other glass planes, with
an average speed of 218 mph ? Yeah, I know it's a two place, but it is
a scratch built plane, well under half the price of an RV, and it sure
is FAAAAAST !!
Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, but a Wittman W10 is my current
project.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
looking forward to passing up all those RV's when the Tailwind is done
!!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
<Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
You always have the option to keep the tank less than full. With a
smaller tank you don't have the option to carry more fuel. With a
Pietenpol's limited ability to battle headwinds, I would think anything
less than 3 hours of fuel capacity is pretty limiting. I find that a
leg longer than 2 hours is pretty uncomfortable, but it is nice to be
able to handle a 3 hour leg if necessary.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will
next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to
build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I
thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which
makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per
gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a
Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair
engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the
flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to
compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience?
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size |
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 08:35:47 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
John,
I use standard center section, 3 piece wing.
And made a aluminum fuel tank that holds 14 gallon plus I have a 2 gallon
Header tank in the front.
The Corvair, according to WW conversion manual, should burn 3.5 GPH.
That gives a long range for a Pietenpol.
I have been test flying my Piet every evening since Saturday and 45 minutes
is a long time on a wooden bench.
You will need a good seat cushion to get use out of a larger fuel tank.
Hans
"Egan, John"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will
next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to
build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I
thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which
makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per
gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a
Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair
engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the
flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to
compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
town.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
harvey.rule@bell.ca
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
I agree with Jack P. that you can always off load fuel if you want to take
a passenger on a warmer day or get out of a shorter strip, but should you
land on a x-country like I did coming back from Brodhead (remember Bryan,
Ohio Jack ?)
on a Sunday and find there is nobody around to help you with fuel---you can
always soldier
on to the next airport. I do like the automated pumps at my home airport.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
Congratulations Hans, finishing in only a year and a half (including
building your Corvair) is incredible. I am also building a long fuselage
Corvair Piet, (Matco wheels and brakes also) one question, did you extend
the front of your fuselage or engine mounts to get the CG to the point where
you didn't have to move your wing back? (vertical cabanes?)
Rick H.
>
>
> Thank you All,
>
> I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.
>
> I will start with this;
> My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.
> Empty weight 680 Lbs
> Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes
> The main deviations from plans are:
> 1) Wheels are 3" forward of plans. (changed the landing gear "V" slightly)
> 2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.
> 3) Engine mount extended by =BD" to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall.
>
> Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter
> Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34
> Carburetor: Zenith 1821
>
> I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a "little"
> every day.
> I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, that's right in a year
> and a half and holding a day job)
>
> Now it's off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!
>
> Hans van der Voort
> Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV "Miss Banshee"
> Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional
>
>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
safest way to fly but it works.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
<Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
town.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
harvey.rule@bell.ca
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
Thanks for the tank thoughts. I'm building this plane without being a
pilot yet, (have soloed), so I have very little experience on what a
small plane can carry, and what duration a reasonable flight is in a
Pietenpol. All I know is that fuel is no good on the ground.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
<Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
town.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
harvey.rule@bell.ca
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 09:47:44 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Thanks Rick,
I have my Hangar behind my house (Airpark) which makes it very easy to work
on the plane and keep a good pace.
I did not extend the fuselage other than the 1/2 inch on the motor mount.
The reason for this was that the standard Corvair oil filter would almost
hit the Firewall.
And with a layer of Fiberfrax and stainless sheet would be impossible to
mount.
The other option would have been a remote oil filter but this would
increase component count and weight.
Or yet another option would have been to make a recess in the firewall but
I was to far along to do that.
If I build a Air Camper again I would build the Firewall 2" back and extend
the Motor mount the same.
My Cabanes are not vertical, they lean about 1 1/2" back.
Please note, that with the above setup (CG at 18" from Leading Edge) and
with Landing gear V as per drawing,
I only had 1 Lbs on my Tail wheel during W&B, top longeron level.
I decided to move wheels forward by 3 " tail wheel pressure is now 15 Lbs.
I did some wheel landings last night and it seems very stable.
Hans
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I don't remember who to credit for this. At Broadhead, as I was complaining about
my sore butt from the 4.7 hr trip down, somone commented that he used his
sleeping bag pad as a cushion. I tried this on the way home.
I have a self inflating pad and folded it over three times and left the valve up
at the seat top. I am able to let air out to get the right height. This has
made an extremely comfortable seat. These are available at Gander Mtn stores
for about $80. Also they have a cover available to hold this pad into the seat
shape for $39.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry
flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us
(at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat.
What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity
needed. Not much preassure either.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
safest way to fly but it works.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
town.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
harvey.rule@bell.ca
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights |
Lou and Hans,
How about some pictures of your finished planes?
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| Subject: | Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
Wow these guys are smart!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Gower
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer.
Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline
on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are
common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank
in the passenger seat.
What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and
pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply
poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline
will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
=09
HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up
a small
pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump
gas
from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery
sourse
though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't
exactly the
safest way to fly but it works.
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
=09
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
=09
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I did that when flying my J-3 Cub acr oss west Texas many years
ago.
Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've
got to
land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one
point
on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service
station
and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an
automobile gas
pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in
that
town.
=09
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Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
harvey.rule@bell.ca
=09
I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I
can
always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down
well.I
guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I
could take
as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an
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27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 12:18:43 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Bill,
Started a web site yesterday
www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
Have a look !
Hans
"Bill Church"
<eng@canadianroge
rs.com> To
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owner-pietenpol-l cc
ist-server@matron
ics.com Subject
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
08/25/2005 10:23
AM
Please respond to
pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com
Lou and Hans,
How about some pictures of your finished planes?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Looks really nice, Hans. I like the paint scheme.
Congratulations!
Bill
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Bill,
Started a web site yesterday
www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
Have a look !
Hans
Please respond to
pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com
Lou and Hans,
How about some pictures of your finished planes?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
A very sharp looking aircraft,nice going.Mine doesn't look that good.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
<eng@canadianrogers.com>
Looks really nice, Hans. I like the paint scheme.
Congratulations!
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com
Bill,
Started a web site yesterday
www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
Have a look !
Hans
Please respond to
pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com
Lou and Hans,
How about some pictures of your finished planes?
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <sbobka@charter.net>
good idea, Gary.
Chris
>
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer.
>
> Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a
XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among
us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat.
>
> What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity
needed. Not much preassure either.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
> ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
> pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
> from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
> though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
> safest way to fly but it works.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Phillips, Jack
> Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
>
>
> I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
> Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
> land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
> on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
> and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
> pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
> town.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
> always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
> guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
> as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important
just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
sbobka@charter.net wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
good idea, Gary.
Chris
>
> From: Gary Gower
> Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer.
>
> Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a
XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us
(at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat.
>
> What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed.
Not much preassure either.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
> ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
> pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
> from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
> though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
> safest way to fly but it works.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Phillips, Jack
> Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
>
>
> I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago.
> Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to
> land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point
> on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station
> and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas
> pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that
> town.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can
> always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I
> guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
> as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option.
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| Subject: | Hans new web site |
I cannot get your new web site,using Explorer or Netscape.Tried google ,yahoo and
a couple others with no luck.Any ideas what my problem is?Thanks as I would
love to see the pics of your Piet.
Kind Regards,Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Hans new web site |
Try this link: _http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html_
(http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html)
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That worked. The paint scheme is absolutley knock dead gorgeous,as I read in the
1932 Flying and glider Manual she looks "pretty hotsy totsy,congratulations.Mike
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| Subject: | fixed landing gear |
I did an inspection of my plane tonight and found that my fixed gear axle is bent.
There is about a 1" deflection in the axle,with the stbd wheel showing the
bend.
I had a bit of a discussion at Brodhead, with Jack Phillips on axle sizing and
Jack, you are right, the 1 1/4" x .125 wall is not heavy enough for the fixed
gear. I have a spare axle of the same size and will install that but will also
sleeve the inside with a 1" oak dowel. I will then order a new 1 1/2" and
install in down time this winter. Also, one of my cross brace cables is showing
the stress threads. I just replaced the cables before Brodhead. I will up
size these cables to 5/32".
I belive the axle bent last Saturday when I made a full stall landing in a 15-18
kt cross wind. I should have done a wheel landing, I guess. It wasn't a horrible
touchdown but there were some pretty good side loads in settling in. The
Harley wheels held up very well though.
This was one of those days when the wind was varied and gusting thru 50 degrees.
Dick N.
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<OF046A2EE9.A254080C-ON86257068.00593FA3-86257068.00599ADE@alfalaval.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Very nice Hans.
I've posted your website to the Corvair list. I think
they will all be quite appreciative of your efforts.
> www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
>
> Have a look !
>
> Hans
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
Garden sprayer is one name. They come in various sizes
and are used for fertilizer, bug sprays and other things.
If you're flying behind a Corvair you'll have a battery anyway.
The electric pump won't take much to run.
Let's see, the average official passenger wt here in Canada is now
187 imperial pounds, 31 gallons!. That's going to be one calloused butt!
And a lot of bug spray out the pilot tube! :-)
Clif
Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not
important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
> What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity
needed. Not much preassure either.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
> ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
> pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
> from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
> though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
> safest way to fly but it works.
> > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
> as much gas as a passenger would
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
I don't think you need a specific poison pump bottle. Any air
pump, such as used to inflate air mattresses and even a
bicycle pump would work. You're pressurizing the sealed
fuel tank and forcing the fuel out into the main tank.
I like both this and the electric pump options. With the electric
pump you could probably strap in a couple of 5 gal jerry cans
with tubing securely fitted into them. This would give you two
carryable, handled containers to go to a gas station with as well.
Also here's a gap seal option from another RAA member;
"The SeaRey guys use the 3M tape that protects the bottom rocker panels of cars
from stone chips.
Canadian Light Amphibians ,
seareycanada.com
I've seen it used as prop leading edge tape too."
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer.
Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not
important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
sbobka@charter.net wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
good idea, Gary.
Chris
>
> From: Gary Gower
> Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer.
>
> Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on
a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among
us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger
seat.
>
> What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity
needed. Not much preassure either.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. |
Thanks Cliff, just learning, We only uswd to carry about 2 hrs estimated of
extra fuel, for safety. Plus the normal 3 -4 hrs in the main tank. Two stroke
engines use lots of gas.
Right now I fly with a 912S (Rotax), so no extra tank needed. No, not a Piet,
but a CH 701 by Zenith, that I co-own with my brother..
Saludos
Gary Gower
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
Garden sprayer is one name. They come in various sizes
and are used for fertilizer, bug sprays and other things.
If you're flying behind a Corvair you'll have a battery anyway.
The electric pump won't take much to run.
Let's see, the average official passenger wt here in Canada is now
187 imperial pounds, 31 gallons!. That's going to be one calloused butt!
And a lot of bug spray out the pilot tube! :-)
Clif
Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important
just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
> What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize
with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens
:-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed.
Not much preassure either.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca
>
> HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen
> ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small
> pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas
> from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse
> though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the
> safest way to fly but it works.
> > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take
> as much gas as a passenger would
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