---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/25/05: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - Fw: left coast piets (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: A-65 (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 3. 04:18 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Phillips, Jack) 4. 04:29 AM - Re: First Flights (Phillips, Jack) 5. 05:09 AM - Re: Gas tank size (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 6. 05:36 AM - Re: Gas tank size (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Phillips, Jack) 8. 05:48 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Michael D Cuy) 9. 05:50 AM - Re: First Flights (Rick Holland) 10. 05:52 AM - Re: Gas tank size (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 11. 06:11 AM - Re: Gas tank size (Egan, John) 12. 06:48 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com) 13. 07:53 AM - hard seat (Dick Navratil) 14. 08:06 AM - Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower) 15. 08:32 AM - Re: First Flights (Bill Church) 16. 08:49 AM - Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (harvey.rule@bell.ca) 17. 09:19 AM - Re: First Flights (hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com) 18. 10:04 AM - Re: First Flights (Bill Church) 19. 10:16 AM - Re: First Flights (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 20. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. () 21. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower) 22. 06:20 PM - Hans new web site (Michael Turrell) 23. 06:34 PM - Re: Hans new web site (HVandervoo@aol.com) 24. 06:48 PM - Thanks Hans (Michael Turrell) 25. 07:43 PM - fixed landing gear (Dick Navratil) 26. 10:40 PM - Re: First Flights (Clif Dawson) 27. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Clif Dawson) 28. 11:47 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Clif Dawson) 29. 11:53 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank size Gas transfer. (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:12 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: left coast piets ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: left coast piets They're all on Vancouver Island. :-) The oldest continuously registered aircraft in Canada, CF-AOG, is flying off a private strip, one is flying out of Naniamo and the other is completed and in flight testing, again, at Naniamo. I almost forgot! It appears Dave Rowe has been posted to the far Atlantic Coast somewhere. I don't know the status of both his planes but some time ago they were under tarps in the corner of a hanger at Pat Bay ( Victoria International ). The attached photo is the one currently testing, built by Dean Sevold. Powered by a Ford "B" Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: DONALD COOLEY To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seals Hello Group, I was wondering.....how about using piano hinges for elevators? The only real drawback I can see is that it wouldn't look "authentic". Maybe function dictates form? I plan using piano hinges for the ailerons, so this seems not too out of line. Comments? BTW, I just returned from the NWAAC Fly-in at McMinnville, Oregon. There was not a single Piet at this fairly prestigious event. Mine is still probably several years from attending. Will it be the first? Where are all the Left Coast Piets? The world awaits an answer! Keep the sawdust flyin'! Don Cooley ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-65 From: harvey.rule@bell.ca Don't wory ,Texan's get their fair share of snow and rotten weather from what I've seen.It just doesn't last as long. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christian Bobka Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 I am sure glad to live up nawth where it is a cool 75. Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Pieters, Thanks for all the helpful comments. I used most of them. This morning before it reached 90 my man was proping after we had primed each cyl through the top plugs. He pulled it through about 4 times and nothing. On the next prop I moved the throttle to about 1/3 open. She fired. I had an oil pressure guage fitted next to the case. Oil pressure began to show after 20 or so seconds finally up to 30 @ 1200 rpm. I would reduce the throttle below 1000 and it would begin to stop so kept it at 1200 for about 5 minutes but each time I lowered it below 1000 it tried to die. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo something tells me that I must have a problem in the idle system somewhere. But where? I had taken the carb apart several times to clean and check everything according to the manuals EXCEPT that little brass tube sticking up out of the lower body. I have another old carb body so I put that little tube in the vise and carefully turned the body until it loosened. I removed and examined. Studying the manual this was the idle metering tube. The lower end being the idle metering jet. It was blocked with no light to be seen through it. With some brass safety wire I began to clean and sure enough there was a jet hole there. I removed the carb on the engine, took it apart again and removed the idle metering tube and guess what I found. Yep, no hole and it took quite awhile to finally clean the gook out. It's clean now and all reassembled. When my prop-er comes back we will see if it works. Sorry this has been so drawn out but I wanted it in the archives in case someone in the future is faced with identical problems. Had to stop as the temp just jumped to 100 and as we say down here, you talk about, man it's hot. Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" You always have the option to keep the tank less than full. With a smaller tank you don't have the option to carry more fuel. With a Pietenpol's limited ability to battle headwinds, I would think anything less than 3 hours of fuel capacity is pretty limiting. I find that a leg longer than 2 hours is pretty uncomfortable, but it is nice to be able to handle a 3 hour leg if necessary. Jack -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights From: "Phillips, Jack" I would consider a Tailwind if I were building a 2 place travelling airplane. I admire Wittman's designs from a functionality standpoint. I don't think his designs are particularly pretty, but they certainly are efficient. But I want a 4 place plane that is fast with good short field characteristics. I am considering an RV-10, a Murphy Moose, and a Bearhawk. So far, the RV-10 looks like it has the most bang for the buck. Ran across a deal on an RV-4 yesterday, but I don't think I can swing the cash for the deal without selling the Pietenpol which I refuse to even consider. Jack -----Original Message----- =09 =09 Jack and all, Have you considered a Wittman Tailwind W10 ? Did you also notice that one of them won First Place 'Formula FX' race this year at Osh, beating out all similar horsepower RV's, canards, and other glass planes, with an average speed of 218 mph ? Yeah, I know it's a two place, but it is a scratch built plane, well under half the price of an RV, and it sure is FAAAAAST !! Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, but a Wittman W10 is my current project. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG looking forward to passing up all those RV's when the Tailwind is done !! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" You always have the option to keep the tank less than full. With a smaller tank you don't have the option to carry more fuel. With a Pietenpol's limited ability to battle headwinds, I would think anything less than 3 hours of fuel capacity is pretty limiting. I find that a leg longer than 2 hours is pretty uncomfortable, but it is nice to be able to handle a 3 hour leg if necessary. Jack -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size From: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com 27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 08:35:47 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com John, I use standard center section, 3 piece wing. And made a aluminum fuel tank that holds 14 gallon plus I have a 2 gallon Header tank in the front. The Corvair, according to WW conversion manual, should burn 3.5 GPH. That gives a long range for a Pietenpol. I have been test flying my Piet every evening since Saturday and 45 minutes is a long time on a wooden bench. You will need a good seat cushion to get use out of a larger fuel tank. Hans "Egan, John" Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list@matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size 08/24/2005 04:05 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" As I approach the completion of my wings (wooden completion), I will next work on the center section. I recall some Pieters recommending to build the center section 36" wide to accommodate a larger fuel tank. I thought I heard that a 36" section will hold about 14 gallons, which makes sense (25" x26" x 5" x 0.0043 = 13.975 gallons). At 6.25 lbs per gallon, that's 87 pounds of fuel. Is 87 pounds of fuel a lot for a Pietenpol to lift with a couple a people in it? Let's assume a Corvair engine, extended fuselage, limited avionics, and let's assume 90% of the flying time carries only one person in the plane (for those who enjoy to compromise). Any thoughts, or better yet, experience? This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that town. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:28 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy I agree with Jack P. that you can always off load fuel if you want to take a passenger on a warmer day or get out of a shorter strip, but should you land on a x-country like I did coming back from Brodhead (remember Bryan, Ohio Jack ?) on a Sunday and find there is nobody around to help you with fuel---you can always soldier on to the next airport. I do like the automated pumps at my home airport. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:39 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights Congratulations Hans, finishing in only a year and a half (including building your Corvair) is incredible. I am also building a long fuselage Corvair Piet, (Matco wheels and brakes also) one question, did you extend the front of your fuselage or engine mounts to get the CG to the point where you didn't have to move your wing back? (vertical cabanes?) Rick H. > > > Thank you All, > > I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future. > > I will start with this; > My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper. > Empty weight 680 Lbs > Split Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakes > The main deviations from plans are: > 1) Wheels are 3" forward of plans. (changed the landing gear "V" slightly) > 2) Bungies replaced with coil springs. > 3) Engine mount extended by =BD" to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall. > > Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starter > Propeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34 > Carburetor: Zenith 1821 > > I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a "little" > every day. > I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, that's right in a year > and a half and holding a day job) > > Now it's off to flying again, Yee-Haw!! > > Hans van der Voort > Proud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV "Miss Banshee" > Waller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional > > > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size From: harvey.rule@bell.ca --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the safest way to fly but it works. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that town. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size From: "Egan, John" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" Thanks for the tank thoughts. I'm building this plane without being a pilot yet, (have soloed), so I have very little experience on what a small plane can carry, and what duration a reasonable flight is in a Pietenpol. All I know is that fuel is no good on the ground. Do Not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that town. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights From: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com 27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 09:47:44 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Thanks Rick, I have my Hangar behind my house (Airpark) which makes it very easy to work on the plane and keep a good pace. I did not extend the fuselage other than the 1/2 inch on the motor mount. The reason for this was that the standard Corvair oil filter would almost hit the Firewall. And with a layer of Fiberfrax and stainless sheet would be impossible to mount. The other option would have been a remote oil filter but this would increase component count and weight. Or yet another option would have been to make a recess in the firewall but I was to far along to do that. If I build a Air Camper again I would build the Firewall 2" back and extend the Motor mount the same. My Cabanes are not vertical, they lean about 1 1/2" back. Please note, that with the above setup (CG at 18" from Leading Edge) and with Landing gear V as per drawing, I only had 1 Lbs on my Tail wheel during W&B, top longeron level. I decided to move wheels forward by 3 " tail wheel pressure is now 15 Lbs. I did some wheel landings last night and it seems very stable. Hans ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:58 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: hard seat I don't remember who to credit for this. At Broadhead, as I was complaining about my sore butt from the 4.7 hr trip down, somone commented that he used his sleeping bag pad as a cushion. I tried this on the way home. I have a self inflating pad and folded it over three times and left the valve up at the seat top. I am able to let air out to get the right height. This has made an extremely comfortable seat. These are available at Gander Mtn stores for about $80. Also they have a cover available to hold this pad into the seat shape for $39. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:37 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat. What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. Saludos Gary Gower. harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the safest way to fly but it works. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that town. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights From: "Bill Church" Lou and Hans, How about some pictures of your finished planes? Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. From: harvey.rule@bell.ca Wow these guys are smart! ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat. What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. Saludos Gary Gower. harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca =09 HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the safest way to fly but it works. =09 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size =09 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" =09 =09 I did that when flying my J-3 Cub acr oss west Texas many years ago. Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that town. =09 Do Not Archive =09 Jack Phillips =09 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca =09 I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights From: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com 27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 12:18:43 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Bill, Started a web site yesterday www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html Have a look ! Hans "Bill Church" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights 08/25/2005 10:23 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Lou and Hans, How about some pictures of your finished planes? Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights From: "Bill Church" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Looks really nice, Hans. I like the paint scheme. Congratulations! Bill Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Bill, Started a web site yesterday www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html Have a look ! Hans Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Lou and Hans, How about some pictures of your finished planes? Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca A very sharp looking aircraft,nice going.Mine doesn't look that good. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Looks really nice, Hans. I like the paint scheme. Congratulations! Bill Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com Bill, Started a web site yesterday www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html Have a look ! Hans Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Lou and Hans, How about some pictures of your finished planes? Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:14 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: good idea, Gary. Chris > > From: Gary Gower > Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. > > Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat. > > What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca > > HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen > ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small > pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas > from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse > though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the > safest way to fly but it works. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Phillips, Jack > Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. > Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to > land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point > on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station > and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas > pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that > town. > > Do Not Archive > > Jack Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: > harvey.rule@bell.ca > > I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can > always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take > as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:04 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious... Saludos Gary Gower. sbobka@charter.net wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: good idea, Gary. Chris > > From: Gary Gower > Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. > > Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat. > > What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca > > HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen > ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small > pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas > from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse > though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the > safest way to fly but it works. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Phillips, Jack > Sent: August 25, 2005 8:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > I did that when flying my J-3 Cub across west Texas many years ago. > Still not as useful as having a bigger fuel tank, because you've got to > land to transfer the fuel from the gas can to your tank. At one point > on that trip I landed on a highway and taxied in to a service station > and filled both my nose tank and my gas can right from an automobile gas > pump. Caused quite a commotion amongst the 7 people living in that > town. > > Do Not Archive > > Jack Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- Pietenpol-List message posted by: > harvey.rule@bell.ca > > I won't be using the front seat at any time for passengers so I can > always drop a tank of gas in that area provided I tie her down well.I > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take > as much gas as a passenger would weigh.Always an option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:06 PM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hans new web site I cannot get your new web site,using Explorer or Netscape.Tried google ,yahoo and a couple others with no luck.Any ideas what my problem is?Thanks as I would love to see the pics of your Piet. Kind Regards,Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 PM PST US From: HVandervoo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hans new web site Try this link: _http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:47 PM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Hans That worked. The paint scheme is absolutley knock dead gorgeous,as I read in the 1932 Flying and glider Manual she looks "pretty hotsy totsy,congratulations.Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:57 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fixed landing gear I did an inspection of my plane tonight and found that my fixed gear axle is bent. There is about a 1" deflection in the axle,with the stbd wheel showing the bend. I had a bit of a discussion at Brodhead, with Jack Phillips on axle sizing and Jack, you are right, the 1 1/4" x .125 wall is not heavy enough for the fixed gear. I have a spare axle of the same size and will install that but will also sleeve the inside with a 1" oak dowel. I will then order a new 1 1/2" and install in down time this winter. Also, one of my cross brace cables is showing the stress threads. I just replaced the cables before Brodhead. I will up size these cables to 5/32". I belive the axle bent last Saturday when I made a full stall landing in a 15-18 kt cross wind. I should have done a wheel landing, I guess. It wasn't a horrible touchdown but there were some pretty good side loads in settling in. The Harley wheels held up very well though. This was one of those days when the wind was varied and gusting thru 50 degrees. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:22 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Very nice Hans. I've posted your website to the Corvair list. I think they will all be quite appreciative of your efforts. > www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html > > Have a look ! > > Hans > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:04 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Garden sprayer is one name. They come in various sizes and are used for fertilizer, bug sprays and other things. If you're flying behind a Corvair you'll have a battery anyway. The electric pump won't take much to run. Let's see, the average official passenger wt here in Canada is now 187 imperial pounds, 31 gallons!. That's going to be one calloused butt! And a lot of bug spray out the pilot tube! :-) Clif Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious... Saludos Gary Gower. > What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. > > Saludos > Gary Gower.> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca > > HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen > ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small > pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas > from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse > though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the > safest way to fly but it works. > > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take > as much gas as a passenger would ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:47 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. I don't think you need a specific poison pump bottle. Any air pump, such as used to inflate air mattresses and even a bicycle pump would work. You're pressurizing the sealed fuel tank and forcing the fuel out into the main tank. I like both this and the electric pump options. With the electric pump you could probably strap in a couple of 5 gal jerry cans with tubing securely fitted into them. This would give you two carryable, handled containers to go to a gas station with as well. Also here's a gap seal option from another RAA member; "The SeaRey guys use the 3M tape that protects the bottom rocker panels of cars from stone chips. Canadian Light Amphibians , seareycanada.com I've seen it used as prop leading edge tape too." Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious... Saludos Gary Gower. sbobka@charter.net wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: good idea, Gary. Chris > > From: Gary Gower > Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 11:06:23 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. > > Here we dont have enough airstrips here and is dificult to get gasoline on a XCountry flight (on ultralights), legs of more than 4 hours are common among us (at 60-70 mph) so we always fly with our extra gas tank in the passenger seat. > > What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. > > Saludos > Gary Gower.> ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:54 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gas tank size Gas transfer. Thanks Cliff, just learning, We only uswd to carry about 2 hrs estimated of extra fuel, for safety. Plus the normal 3 -4 hrs in the main tank. Two stroke engines use lots of gas. Right now I fly with a 912S (Rotax), so no extra tank needed. No, not a Piet, but a CH 701 by Zenith, that I co-own with my brother.. Saludos Gary Gower Clif Dawson wrote: Garden sprayer is one name. They come in various sizes and are used for fertilizer, bug sprays and other things. If you're flying behind a Corvair you'll have a battery anyway. The electric pump won't take much to run. Let's see, the average official passenger wt here in Canada is now 187 imperial pounds, 31 gallons!. That's going to be one calloused butt! And a lot of bug spray out the pilot tube! :-) Clif Yes, but what is the name (in english) of that plastic poisoner bottle? Not important just that I think that has an specific name... Just curious... Saludos Gary Gower. > What has worked great for us, is to make the extra tank airtight and pressurize with a cheap 2 quarts (ups! my english) bottle to aply poison on the gardens :-) Just give about 5 pumps and the gasoline will transfer. No electricity needed. Not much preassure either. > > Saludos > Gary Gower.> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey.rule@bell.ca > > HAHAHA!I can well imagine it would cause a commotion.I've seen > ultralight pilots do the same thing.What some guys do is hook up a small > pump to thar spare tank and with the flick of a switch they pump gas > from there to the main tank.It does require carrying a battery sourse > though in order to run the small pump.The whole thing isn't exactly the > safest way to fly but it works. > > guess since I'm not carrying passengers then theoretically I could take > as much gas as a passenger would