---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/27/05: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Rims and Tires () 2. 08:55 AM - Re: fixed landing gear (Gordon Bowen) 3. 10:26 AM - Fw: FW: pete (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 4. 02:44 PM - Fw: Rims and Tires (Philip Miller) 5. 03:40 PM - Re: Rims and Tires (Michael Conkling) 6. 05:31 PM - Re: (Maybe) First Flight? (Larry Nelson) 7. 10:02 PM - fixed landing gear (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:21 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rims and Tires Ken, Dale and I used 3.50 X 19 Chen Shin motorcycle tires mounted on 40 spoke DID rims which were located at a local motorcycle salvage yard. Spokes are custom from Buchanan Spoke and Rim in California. Hubs are 6" wide and were made to Howard Henderson's plans. Small picture attached. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Heide To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rims and Tires Members of the list: I am interested in aluminum spoked rims and the width of the motorcycle tire. This also include suppliers of such, along with size of wheels, etc.....Sorry for the confusion! Ken Heide __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:40 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fixed landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" I didn't do this on the already semi-completed Piete I bought and rebuilt, but for those of you out there in Pieteland that have yet to install a gear, you may want to consider picking up a fiberglass bow gear that is used on the Varieze and Longeze. It's made from strands of S-glass and epoxy wound over a mandrel, shaped like a hunting bow. Would support a Piet even with hard bounce. Very simple and tough. Not very traditional looking but you could always paint it with faux-wood paint to get the desired affect. Probably look on ebay and find one for less than a couple 100 bucks. They're made by Featherlite in Ukiah CA., think they still sell new for about $600. I've bounced my Cozy sized gear with a 2100 lb gross quite a few times without evidence of any damage. The gear could be attached to the existing tabs on the Piete's lower longerons with 7/16" bolts run thru the entire length of the front and back tabs and the gear attached with a 7/16" further ideas, chk out someone in your area that has a Rutanesque type canard-pusher's gear installation. Gordon Bowen -Homer Alaska Cozy IV N64CY Osprey II N64SY Pietenpol N-1033B " There are no passengers on spaceship Earth, we are all crew", McLuhan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fixed landing gear > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" > > Ditto here on the wheels. > Dont get me wrong here guys on this bent axle. This was not a near disaster > or anything. I just noticed more deflection than previous and one of the > cables had stressed. > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:22 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fixed landing gear > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > Dick-- my axle is about .20" thick and has survived some pretty rough > > landings and a groud loop when my tailwheel shoe > > failed. > > > > Mike C. > > > > PS-- the straight axle and wire wheels just look so go to me..I couldn't > > even consider the split axle version with donut tires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:58 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: FW: pete Heres the address to a neat free-flight Piet model. > http://smallflyingarts.com/Current_Content/Spotlight/aircamper.htm > > Subject: FW: pete From: "Terry Bowden" Terry L. Bowden Chief Engineer / D.E.R. Powerplant & Engines RAM Aircraft, Ltd. Partnership Office: (254) 752-8381 ext. 333 / Fax: (254) 752-3307 email: tbowden@ramaircraft.com website: www.ramaircraft.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Toliver Subject: pete Check this out: http://smallflyingarts.com/Current_Content/Spotlight/aircamper.htm Terry L. Bowden ChiefEngineer / D.E.R. Powerplant Engines RAM Aircraft, Ltd. Partnership Office: (254) 752-8381 ext. 333 / Fax: (254) 752-3307 email:=20tbowden@ramaircraft.com website: www.ramaircraft.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Toliver Subject: pete Check this out: http://smallflyingarts.com/Current_Content/Spotlight/aircamper.htm ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:33 PM PST US From: "Philip Miller" Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Rims and Tires Is it possible to use split landing gear with spoked wheels? If so, are there any special considerations about that (wheel dimensions limits, side loads, etc.) I like the look of the spoked wheels, but the impact absorbtion, strength and utility of the split axle sure looks more attractive. I'd miss those beautiful ash struts though. Phil Miller PietenVair Altadena,CA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:40 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rims and Tires Phil, Look up the 1929-30 Travelair 2000 landing gear for how it could be done -- the Travelair used 28 x 4 wheels with the shock cords attached to the center "vee" (like a J-3 Cub). It will take some drafting time to figure axle placement and landing gear angles for the right deck angle. Concerning the straight axle Piets -- if I remember correctly, aren't Part 23 landing gear (only) stressed for about 3g's ?? Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Miller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Rims and Tires Is it possible to use split landing gear with spoked wheels? If so, are there any special considerations about that (wheel dimensions limits, side loads, etc.) I like the look of the spoked wheels, but the impact absorbtion, strength and utility of the split axle sure looks more attractive. I'd miss those beautiful ash struts though. Phil Miller PietenVair Altadena,CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:14 PM PST US From: Larry Nelson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (Maybe) First Flight? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson N444MH, Howard Henderson's old plane, has it's wing moved 3" aft of it's plans built location, to accomodate my 222# vs Howards and Joe Santana's 175#. Yesterday, I finished the work, safetied the turnbuckles, and had two friend help. I did some more high speed taxi's and raised the tail, when she promptly lifted off, and I put her back down. I did that on two more runs. It was the middle of the hot afternoon, with wind rustling the tree tops above me. I am at a one way in, opposite way out airstrip. The "A" was purring. (I loved the water spashing on my face from the overflow.) While I was being encouraged to go fly that darn thing, I decided to wait until the cool of a quiet morning, zero wind preferably. It was never my intention to fly her yesterday. I went flying in my Cessna 195 today (newly acquired 2 months and 30 hours ago) and wondered to myself if I am just chicken. Got to shake it off. The Cub I flew back in the Spring was a piece of cake. It's just a plane. Right? (Somebody say "yes".) Any clever advice, snide remarks, (yes, get that nose down), encouragement, etc will be appreciated. Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH 1963 GMC 4106-1618 SV/ Spirit of America ARS WB0JOT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:28 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fixed landing gear Just a follow up on my landing gear problem. I spent the day at the hangar, removing the wheels and axle. I was shocked to find that my port side bungee had almost completely chaffed thru, not from this incident but from rubbing on a bolt head on the gear leg. For anyone who hasn't checked you bungees in a while, it may be worth unwrapping and checking. I will make a chafe guard out of 2" SCH 40 pvc pipe to cover the bolts. Dick N.