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1. 05:15 AM - Bungees (Michael D Cuy)
2. 05:15 AM - airleron gap (RULE, HARVEY)
3. 08:47 AM - Hangar, the second home (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Phillips, Jack)
5. 09:59 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Steve Eldredge)
6. 11:40 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (RULE, HARVEY)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Gary Gower)
8. 01:16 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Michael D Cuy)
9. 02:32 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Rcaprd@aol.com)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (walt evans)
11. 03:37 PM - Re: Aileron Cable Friction (Rcaprd@aol.com)
12. 03:46 PM - Re: airleron gap (Rcaprd@AOL.COM)
13. 03:55 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (John Ford)
14. 04:47 PM - Wheels, seat belts (TBYH@aol.com)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 (Tim Willis)
16. 05:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 (Tim Willis)
17. 07:44 PM - Re: Wheels, seat belts (Dick Navratil)
18. 07:55 PM - It's alive!!! (Ted Brousseau)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dick/group---- I was using 1/2" diam bungee cord from Wicks but the last
time I ordered it the supposed 1/2" stuff was
more like 5/8" and was a real pain to work with and it didn't give worth a
hoot. I won't order from them anymore. I found
a bunch of places on the web that sell bungee cord and got some true 1/2"
stuff that works very well.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RULE, HARVEY" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I have taped the gap on the top of the airleron.Is it necessary to tape
the bottom of the gap?The same question applies for the bottom surface
of the elevator?I think I remember a letter a while back where some guys
were taping the rudder as well;am I correct in this?This is probably
stuff already covered and I apologise for this but I can't seem to find
the info in the archives.Thanks for any info in advance.
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| Subject: | Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Gary wrote-
>We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next,
>(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
>bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to
Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my
case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a
screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a
couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good
therapy for me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Oscar! So sorry to hear of your loss. I know there is nothing anyone
can do to ease the pain, other than to be friends to you. You know you
have many, many friends here on this list - even those of us who have
never met you in person.
Blue skies and Tailwinds,
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Gary wrote-
>We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing
next,
>(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
>bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down
to
Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going.
In my
case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came
to a
screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for
a
couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be
good
therapy for me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
My deepest sympathy Oscar. May your memories of him be cherished till
you meet him again. So sorry to hear of your loss.
Steve Eldredge
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Gary wrote-
>We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing
next,
>(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
>bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down
to
Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going.
In my
case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came
to a
screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for
a
couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be
good
therapy for me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RULE, HARVEY" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I am very sorry to hear of your loss.Get flying again and go flyin for
him.Reach out your hand and touch the face of God.
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Gary wrote-
>
> >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next,
> >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
> >bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
>
> Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to
> Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my
> case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
> stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
> middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a
> screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
> vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a
> couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
>
> But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good
> therapy for me ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar, the second home |
Hello Oscar,
Really sorry to heat that, our deepest simpathy for your family, our prayers
will be with all of you...
When ever you decide to come over to visit this area, (overhead rooms or not,
Piet or comercial flight) just drop a note, we will be pleased to show you around...
The next 29 Oct (saturday) will be our Clubs Aniversary Flyinn, I am sure (hope)
that Javier Cruz will visit, so if you want to join us, just let us know...
Same to other members, just let us know...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
Gary wrote-
>We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next,
>(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
>bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to
Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my
case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a
screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a
couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good
therapy for me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Oscar-- Jack is right about you having many friends here from the list and
every parent
dreads going thru what you and your wife are enduring. Keep the faith and
know that
via e-mail or in person with a handshake at Brodhead, you've got a whole
family here
rooting for you.
It is pretty neat to get to Brodhead these days because you get to know
people pretty
well via e-mail and when you actually meet up, you already feel like you
have known them
a long time. Jim Markle, Dick N. John Hoffman, Javier Cruz, Jack
Phillips, and others.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar, the second home |
Oscar,
Prayers, and best wishes to you and your family. It's hard to imagine the
grief you are going through right now, but know you have the the support of
everyone in the Pietenpol Community.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar, the second home |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
I'm so sorry and saddened by your loss.
As a single parent of three, this makes me feel hollow inside.
I wish you strength.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Gary wrote-
>
> >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next,
> >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and
> >bathroom for friends pilots visiting.
>
> Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to
> Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In
my
> case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical
> stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our
> middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to
a
> screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on
> vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a
> couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this.
>
> But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be
good
> therapy for me ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Cable Friction |
In a message dated 10/4/2005 10:00:19 PM Central Standard Time,
slowbilder@comcast.net writes:
I recently connected the aileron control cables on my Pietenpol project, and
found that there was a lot of friction in the aileron control system. Today I
took a piece of candle wax and waxed the cables where they run through the
hard maple fairleads in the wing. This resulted in a dramatic reduction in the
friction in the system.
Does anyone have any comments on this or other lubricants for cables running
through wood fairleads?
Bob Humbert
N491RH
Battle Creek, Michigan
Bob,
It seems you've pinpointed the location where most of your friction is. My
guess is that you don't have the hole in the hard maple fairleads big enough
for the cables to pass through freely. For my fairleads, I glued a piece of
1/4" plywood to the spars with T88, and screwed the hardwood fairleads to the
1/4" plywood, to eliminate violating the spars with any screws. I made saw cuts
in the hardwood for the cable to pass through, which were at least 1 1/2 times
the diameter of the cable...plenty of room. Two screws for each fairlead,
which makes them removable. My aileron control is a very free, and smooth
movements, with NO slop, or play. I have Never lubricated the fairleads...it's
a
good thought, though. Another area which you probably already checked, is
the pulleys. Do they have ball bearings, or brass bushings ? Are they
lubricated well ? Do they work freely without the cable in them ? Is the cable
fouling on the guides that keep the cables in the groove of the pulley ?
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: airleron gap |
In a message dated 10/5/2005 7:16:35 AM Central Standard Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
I have taped the gap on the top of the airleron.Is it necessary to tape
the bottom of the gap?The same question applies for the bottom surface
of the elevator?I think I remember a letter a while back where some guys
were taping the rudder as well;am I correct in this?This is probably
stuff already covered and I apologise for this but I can't seem to find
the info in the archives.Thanks for any info in advance.
Harvey,
I posted before about how I sealed the gaps in the ailerons (barn door
hinges), elevators (flippers), and rudder - Vi Kappler hinges.
Before I applied any paint, I used fabric material, applied with fabric
adhesive, on both sides of the gaps, at all the control surfaces. I view this
method as a permanent one, as opposed to using any type of tape. I'm sure the
tape will eventually loose it's sticky adhesive, and you will have to re-do it.
I'm into my fourth summer of flying my plane, with no signs of problems at the
gaps. If I had to do it again, I would do it the same way I did.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar, the second home |
Oscar,
You have my deepest sympathies. Hang in there.
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler."
-- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Wheels, seat belts |
I'm trying to get my Piet fuselage up on the landing gear (Jenny style) and
have been debating all the pros and cons of motorcycle wheels and the
custom-hub spoked wheels. One possibility that occurred to me was the use of solid
aluminum disc wheels as used on the front of Harley-Davidson "fat boy"
motorcycles. I very much like the looks of these wheels -- they have a 1920s-30s
look--
they aren't too expensive on e-Bay and I believe they would eliminate the
worry about side loads. Does anyone on the Piet list have any experience with
these wheels -- either on a Piet or on your H-D? I believe they weigh about 19
lbs
-- how does that compare to spoked wheels with a wide hub? The only concern
I have is that they take a 3/4-inch dia. axle but I'm thinking these wheels
can be bored out for a larger axle and bearing.
I'd also be interested in ideas on where to get good seat belts/shoulder
harness at reasonable cost. I think someone mentioned a source of stock car or
drag racing harnesses at a very attractive price...
It is about to turn cold up here -- believe it already has for the Pieters in
the MSP and north region...in fact, I believe they had snow showers up in
North Dakota/Northwestern Minnesota...weird -- we had mid 80s yesterday, 40s or
less tonight!
Regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 |
Guys,
My status: I joined this club about a month ago right after I bought a completed
Piet fuze and some wing ribs. My set of original Piet plans arrived Saturday.
I am shopping for a Corvair engine and many parts. It's already fun, and
looks like 2000 steps from here.
My problem: Bernie could have built the pilot's cockpit longer and deeper, and
the seat higher. I am a big guy (270#) with big feet and old bad knees, and
I just will not fold the right way to make the seat design work. [The seat is
per original design.]
If I sit on the little low seat, my 13Es will barely go through the holes, but
won't come back out, like a fish trap. Bare feet fit. (This I can fix by widening
the holes, but still may have to fly with bicycle shoes.) However, seated
like that my feet are even with the front of the passenger's seat. I don't
think I could either stand that posture for long or have good rudder pedal control.
My solution: I could add 5-7 inches to the height of the seat, maybe with a little
plywood box 4" thick (for goggles and the like?), and sit on top of that a
1-2" thick padded insert that better fits my back. (The plywood alone feels
like a church pew, and reminds me of the many sins of my overindulged body.)
The "box" and padding should weigh about 8 lbs. max. and greatly improve the man-machine
interface. I plan to experiment to see just how little higher I can
go and fit just well enough. I know that 7" more-- the height of a small toolbox--
works well.
Here are my related questions:
1. Should I also extend the height of the instrument panel, and or windshield?
(I hope so, for I want the wind in my hair, not my face.) What are the complications
of that, other than slightly more drag??
2. Specifically, either with or without higher fuze infrastructure, will my higher
body introduce unacceptable turbulence on the rudder? [FYI, I have the short
fuze-- 13.5 feet from the firewall to tail.]
3. If my modifications would be workable, should I not also raise the height of
the cabanes and other wing attachments, to reduce turbulence from the wing onto
the pilot and taller fuze, and better allow pilot entry to the cockpit?
4. Should I take apart the current rear turtledeck and raise it up higher, to
help reduce turbulence, or would this make matters worse?
5. Has anyone done any of this?
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 |
Compared to my last question, which might be a deal-killer, this one is simple.
Can we use 5" or 6" ultralight wheels on a Piet? I would guess not. I see
a number of these on ebay.
BTW, I am fairly much committed to the Piper style split landing gear with cross
rods and springs rather than bungees. What is the best solution and source
for wheels for this design?
Thanks,
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Wheels, seat belts |
Fred
If you can get the wheels from a 2000- newer Harley, they will accept the 1" bearing
from the rear wheel. Some of the very recent wheels are already equiped
with a 1" bearing. I checked around and wasn't able to locate a satisfactory
bearing for a larger dia axle. Therefore, what I did, was to use a 1 1/2" x.188
axle which needs to be reduced, with a 1 1/8x.058 sleeve 2' on each end and
a 24" piece of 1" 4340 steel rod in each end. The 1 1/8" sleeve will need to
be reduced by a few thousandths to slid in, but the rest is fairly easy.
In addition to this, the Harley brake rotors and the 1" rear wheel calipers will
fit right on.
dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TBYH@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, seat belts
I'm trying to get my Piet fuselage up on the landing gear (Jenny style) and have
been debating all the pros and cons of motorcycle wheels and the custom-hub
spoked wheels. One possibility that occurred to me was the use of solid aluminum
disc wheels as used on the front of Harley-Davidson "fat boy" motorcycles.
I very much like the looks of these wheels -- they have a 1920s-30s look--
they aren't too expensive on e-Bay and I believe they would eliminate the worry
about side loads. Does anyone on the Piet list have any experience with these
wheels -- either on a Piet or on your H-D? I believe they weigh about 19 lbs
-- how does that compare to spoked wheels with a wide hub? The only concern
I have is that they take a 3/4-inch dia. axle but I'm thinking these wheels can
be bored out for a larger axle and bearing.
I'd also be interested in ideas on where to get good seat belts/shoulder harness
at reasonable cost. I think someone mentioned a source of stock car or drag
racing harnesses at a very attractive price...
It is about to turn cold up here -- believe it already has for the Pieters in
the MSP and north region...in fact, I believe they had snow showers up in North
Dakota/Northwestern Minnesota...weird -- we had mid 80s yesterday, 40s or less
tonight!
Regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Come on Jim, accept it the way it is!! I have been going to therapy weekly
to overcome the urge to continually improve parts. I have succeeded and
will not ever again rebuild anything - as soon as I redo the control
stick.... <wink>
Ted
Time: 08:03:33 AM PST US
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's alive!!!
So I can probably say 90% done if I would just accept some of the things
I've already completed but would
like to do differently.
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