---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/05/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:15 AM - Bungees (Michael D Cuy) 2. 05:15 AM - airleron gap (RULE, HARVEY) 3. 08:47 AM - Hangar, the second home (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 08:54 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Phillips, Jack) 5. 09:59 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Steve Eldredge) 6. 11:40 AM - Re: Hangar, the second home (RULE, HARVEY) 7. 12:00 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Gary Gower) 8. 01:16 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Michael D Cuy) 9. 02:32 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (Rcaprd@aol.com) 10. 02:32 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (walt evans) 11. 03:37 PM - Re: Aileron Cable Friction (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 03:46 PM - Re: airleron gap (Rcaprd@AOL.COM) 13. 03:55 PM - Re: Hangar, the second home (John Ford) 14. 04:47 PM - Wheels, seat belts (TBYH@aol.com) 15. 05:35 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 (Tim Willis) 16. 05:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 (Tim Willis) 17. 07:44 PM - Re: Wheels, seat belts (Dick Navratil) 18. 07:55 PM - It's alive!!! (Ted Brousseau) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:35 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungees --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick/group---- I was using 1/2" diam bungee cord from Wicks but the last time I ordered it the supposed 1/2" stuff was more like 5/8" and was a real pain to work with and it didn't give worth a hoot. I won't order from them anymore. I found a bunch of places on the web that sell bungee cord and got some true 1/2" stuff that works very well. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:36 AM PST US From: "RULE, HARVEY" Subject: Pietenpol-List: airleron gap --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RULE, HARVEY" I have taped the gap on the top of the airleron.Is it necessary to tape the bottom of the gap?The same question applies for the bottom surface of the elevator?I think I remember a letter a while back where some guys were taping the rudder as well;am I correct in this?This is probably stuff already covered and I apologise for this but I can't seem to find the info in the archives.Thanks for any info in advance. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:00 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Gary wrote- >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good therapy for me ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Oscar! So sorry to hear of your loss. I know there is nothing anyone can do to ease the pain, other than to be friends to you. You know you have many, many friends here on this list - even those of us who have never met you in person. Blue skies and Tailwinds, Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Gary wrote- >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good therapy for me ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" My deepest sympathy Oscar. May your memories of him be cherished till you meet him again. So sorry to hear of your loss. Steve Eldredge -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Gary wrote- >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good therapy for me ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:35 AM PST US From: "RULE, HARVEY" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RULE, HARVEY" I am very sorry to hear of your loss.Get flying again and go flyin for him.Reach out your hand and touch the face of God. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Gary wrote- > > >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, > >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and > >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. > > Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to > Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my > case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical > stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our > middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a > screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on > vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a > couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. > > But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good > therapy for me ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:21 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home Hello Oscar, Really sorry to heat that, our deepest simpathy for your family, our prayers will be with all of you... When ever you decide to come over to visit this area, (overhead rooms or not, Piet or comercial flight) just drop a note, we will be pleased to show you around... The next 29 Oct (saturday) will be our Clubs Aniversary Flyinn, I am sure (hope) that Javier Cruz will visit, so if you want to join us, just let us know... Same to other members, just let us know... Saludos Gary Gower. Oscar Zuniga wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Gary wrote- >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good therapy for me ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:18 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Oscar-- Jack is right about you having many friends here from the list and every parent dreads going thru what you and your wife are enduring. Keep the faith and know that via e-mail or in person with a handshake at Brodhead, you've got a whole family here rooting for you. It is pretty neat to get to Brodhead these days because you get to know people pretty well via e-mail and when you actually meet up, you already feel like you have known them a long time. Jim Markle, Dick N. John Hoffman, Javier Cruz, Jack Phillips, and others. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:13 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home Oscar, Prayers, and best wishes to you and your family. It's hard to imagine the grief you are going through right now, but know you have the the support of everyone in the Pietenpol Community. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:34 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" I'm so sorry and saddened by your loss. As a single parent of three, this makes me feel hollow inside. I wish you strength. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Gary wrote- > > >We built a big hangar in our space in the Club. What we are doing next, > >(hope next year) is two small overhead rooms in the top with a bed and > >bathroom for friends pilots visiting. > > Keep talking! There are still several of us with dreams of flying down to > Mexico in Pietenpols someday, and it's dreams that keep things going. In my > case, I had no sooner done the final color coat on the repaired vertical > stabilizer of 41CC (picture down past Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray, at > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/repairs.html#update ) than our > middle son died rather suddenly on Sept. 3. So my airplane stuff came to a > screeching halt on Labor Day weekend and now my wife and I are going on > vacation for a while, so I will not be able to get back to the Piet for a > couple of weeks. It is taking some time to get through this. > > But keep talking about a Piet "invasion" of Guadalajara and it will be good > therapy for me ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:31 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cable Friction In a message dated 10/4/2005 10:00:19 PM Central Standard Time, slowbilder@comcast.net writes: I recently connected the aileron control cables on my Pietenpol project, and found that there was a lot of friction in the aileron control system. Today I took a piece of candle wax and waxed the cables where they run through the hard maple fairleads in the wing. This resulted in a dramatic reduction in the friction in the system. Does anyone have any comments on this or other lubricants for cables running through wood fairleads? Bob Humbert N491RH Battle Creek, Michigan Bob, It seems you've pinpointed the location where most of your friction is. My guess is that you don't have the hole in the hard maple fairleads big enough for the cables to pass through freely. For my fairleads, I glued a piece of 1/4" plywood to the spars with T88, and screwed the hardwood fairleads to the 1/4" plywood, to eliminate violating the spars with any screws. I made saw cuts in the hardwood for the cable to pass through, which were at least 1 1/2 times the diameter of the cable...plenty of room. Two screws for each fairlead, which makes them removable. My aileron control is a very free, and smooth movements, with NO slop, or play. I have Never lubricated the fairleads...it's a good thought, though. Another area which you probably already checked, is the pulleys. Do they have ball bearings, or brass bushings ? Are they lubricated well ? Do they work freely without the cable in them ? Is the cable fouling on the guides that keep the cables in the groove of the pulley ? Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:18 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airleron gap In a message dated 10/5/2005 7:16:35 AM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule@bell.ca writes: I have taped the gap on the top of the airleron.Is it necessary to tape the bottom of the gap?The same question applies for the bottom surface of the elevator?I think I remember a letter a while back where some guys were taping the rudder as well;am I correct in this?This is probably stuff already covered and I apologise for this but I can't seem to find the info in the archives.Thanks for any info in advance. Harvey, I posted before about how I sealed the gaps in the ailerons (barn door hinges), elevators (flippers), and rudder - Vi Kappler hinges. Before I applied any paint, I used fabric material, applied with fabric adhesive, on both sides of the gaps, at all the control surfaces. I view this method as a permanent one, as opposed to using any type of tape. I'm sure the tape will eventually loose it's sticky adhesive, and you will have to re-do it. I'm into my fourth summer of flying my plane, with no signs of problems at the gaps. If I had to do it again, I would do it the same way I did. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:56 PM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar, the second home Oscar, You have my deepest sympathies. Hang in there. John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." -- Albert Einstein ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:09 PM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, seat belts I'm trying to get my Piet fuselage up on the landing gear (Jenny style) and have been debating all the pros and cons of motorcycle wheels and the custom-hub spoked wheels. One possibility that occurred to me was the use of solid aluminum disc wheels as used on the front of Harley-Davidson "fat boy" motorcycles. I very much like the looks of these wheels -- they have a 1920s-30s look-- they aren't too expensive on e-Bay and I believe they would eliminate the worry about side loads. Does anyone on the Piet list have any experience with these wheels -- either on a Piet or on your H-D? I believe they weigh about 19 lbs -- how does that compare to spoked wheels with a wide hub? The only concern I have is that they take a 3/4-inch dia. axle but I'm thinking these wheels can be bored out for a larger axle and bearing. I'd also be interested in ideas on where to get good seat belts/shoulder harness at reasonable cost. I think someone mentioned a source of stock car or drag racing harnesses at a very attractive price... It is about to turn cold up here -- believe it already has for the Pieters in the MSP and north region...in fact, I believe they had snow showers up in North Dakota/Northwestern Minnesota...weird -- we had mid 80s yesterday, 40s or less tonight! Regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:00 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 Guys, My status: I joined this club about a month ago right after I bought a completed Piet fuze and some wing ribs. My set of original Piet plans arrived Saturday. I am shopping for a Corvair engine and many parts. It's already fun, and looks like 2000 steps from here. My problem: Bernie could have built the pilot's cockpit longer and deeper, and the seat higher. I am a big guy (270#) with big feet and old bad knees, and I just will not fold the right way to make the seat design work. [The seat is per original design.] If I sit on the little low seat, my 13Es will barely go through the holes, but won't come back out, like a fish trap. Bare feet fit. (This I can fix by widening the holes, but still may have to fly with bicycle shoes.) However, seated like that my feet are even with the front of the passenger's seat. I don't think I could either stand that posture for long or have good rudder pedal control. My solution: I could add 5-7 inches to the height of the seat, maybe with a little plywood box 4" thick (for goggles and the like?), and sit on top of that a 1-2" thick padded insert that better fits my back. (The plywood alone feels like a church pew, and reminds me of the many sins of my overindulged body.) The "box" and padding should weigh about 8 lbs. max. and greatly improve the man-machine interface. I plan to experiment to see just how little higher I can go and fit just well enough. I know that 7" more-- the height of a small toolbox-- works well. Here are my related questions: 1. Should I also extend the height of the instrument panel, and or windshield? (I hope so, for I want the wind in my hair, not my face.) What are the complications of that, other than slightly more drag?? 2. Specifically, either with or without higher fuze infrastructure, will my higher body introduce unacceptable turbulence on the rudder? [FYI, I have the short fuze-- 13.5 feet from the firewall to tail.] 3. If my modifications would be workable, should I not also raise the height of the cabanes and other wing attachments, to reduce turbulence from the wing onto the pilot and taller fuze, and better allow pilot entry to the cockpit? 4. Should I take apart the current rear turtledeck and raise it up higher, to help reduce turbulence, or would this make matters worse? 5. Has anyone done any of this? Tim in central TX --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:21 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/05 Compared to my last question, which might be a deal-killer, this one is simple. Can we use 5" or 6" ultralight wheels on a Piet? I would guess not. I see a number of these on ebay. BTW, I am fairly much committed to the Piper style split landing gear with cross rods and springs rather than bungees. What is the best solution and source for wheels for this design? Thanks, Tim --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:34 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, seat belts Fred If you can get the wheels from a 2000- newer Harley, they will accept the 1" bearing from the rear wheel. Some of the very recent wheels are already equiped with a 1" bearing. I checked around and wasn't able to locate a satisfactory bearing for a larger dia axle. Therefore, what I did, was to use a 1 1/2" x.188 axle which needs to be reduced, with a 1 1/8x.058 sleeve 2' on each end and a 24" piece of 1" 4340 steel rod in each end. The 1 1/8" sleeve will need to be reduced by a few thousandths to slid in, but the rest is fairly easy. In addition to this, the Harley brake rotors and the 1" rear wheel calipers will fit right on. dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, seat belts I'm trying to get my Piet fuselage up on the landing gear (Jenny style) and have been debating all the pros and cons of motorcycle wheels and the custom-hub spoked wheels. One possibility that occurred to me was the use of solid aluminum disc wheels as used on the front of Harley-Davidson "fat boy" motorcycles. I very much like the looks of these wheels -- they have a 1920s-30s look-- they aren't too expensive on e-Bay and I believe they would eliminate the worry about side loads. Does anyone on the Piet list have any experience with these wheels -- either on a Piet or on your H-D? I believe they weigh about 19 lbs -- how does that compare to spoked wheels with a wide hub? The only concern I have is that they take a 3/4-inch dia. axle but I'm thinking these wheels can be bored out for a larger axle and bearing. I'd also be interested in ideas on where to get good seat belts/shoulder harness at reasonable cost. I think someone mentioned a source of stock car or drag racing harnesses at a very attractive price... It is about to turn cold up here -- believe it already has for the Pieters in the MSP and north region...in fact, I believe they had snow showers up in North Dakota/Northwestern Minnesota...weird -- we had mid 80s yesterday, 40s or less tonight! Regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:34 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's alive!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Come on Jim, accept it the way it is!! I have been going to therapy weekly to overcome the urge to continually improve parts. I have succeeded and will not ever again rebuild anything - as soon as I redo the control stick.... Ted Time: 08:03:33 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's alive!!! So I can probably say 90% done if I would just accept some of the things I've already completed but would like to do differently.