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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Keep Building (Phillips, Jack)
2. 05:03 AM - Continental Overhaul (piston placement) (Georgia Peach)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Any Piet on STL (Michael D Cuy)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/12/05 (Ed G.)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: Keep Building (Larry Nelson)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: Any Piet on STL (Larry Nelson)
7. 07:31 AM - St. Louis-- not ! (Michael D Cuy)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 (Tim Willis)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 (Tim Willis)
10. 07:45 AM - Re: Keep Building (RULE, HARVEY)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 (Tim Willis)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 (Tim Willis)
13. 09:04 AM - Re: St. Louis-- not ! (Javier Cruz)
14. 10:53 AM - Re Prop removal from Model A crank shaft (Graham and Robin Hewitt)
15. 07:40 PM - Continental Overhaul (Georgia Peach)
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Glad to hear they'll fly at 1150 lbs, Chuck. I'm planning to take mine
to a fly-in picnic this weekend and my girlfriend wants to go along.
With her and full fuel I will be right at 1150 (at 150 lbs, she's not
heavy, but my Pietenpol is). You have a little advantage flying in
Kansas - your airports aren't hacked out of a pine forest like ours are.
My home field and the one I will be flying into are 2,000 to 2,400 feet
long with 75 to 100 foot tall trees at each end. They also have pretty
steep slopes to the runway, with about a 100' difference in elevation
between the opposite ends of the runway.
Jack Phillips
Dodging trees in North Carolina
----Original Message-----
This evening I extended the envelope...I flew with the highest gross
weight I've ever had 'er to - 1150 lbs. A buddy o' mine, from work, who
has never seen anything like small airplanes very much, Squeezed his big
ol' 240 lbs into the front cockpit, and we went for a 20 minute flight
in perfect flying conditions !! I used the hard surface to take off,
and did a 'Runway Hardness Test' on the grass landing !! It's a blast
to give folks like him, their first experience at this type of flying !!
I was certainly concerned with the climb performance, but she managed
about a 50 or 55 mph climb speed, with probably about 100 fpm.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Continental Overhaul (piston placement) |
I'm reassembling my Continental A-80, destined for a stab on the firewall of my
Pietenpol project. I've rebuilt VW engines, a Lycoming 0-320 where it is critical
that the pistons are "aligned" the correct way on the wrist pin. (Sorry I'm
not being clear... only had 1/2 a cup of my morning coffee...) I learned this
lesson the hard way many, many years ago when a friend put one of his pistons
in wrong on a VW dune buggy. The piston made a bad clatter, but my friend pulled
the jug, rotated the piston 180 degrees and the engine ran fine afterwards.
The Continental manual states, "Install piston with the numbers towards the front
of the engine." Pistons on the VW and especially my Lycoming were marked very
well so that correct orientation was easily obtained, but the numbers on the
Continental piston are on both inside walls of the top and bottom skirt. There
is one very tiny circular stamp with a faint "10" on the top of the piston
heads, and am I to assume this is the number that "goes forward?" This "circle"
is placed directly over where one of the piston wrist pin plugs is located.
(I can e-mail a picture of this "circle" on top of the piston if anybody is interested...)
Thanks,
Sterling Brooks
Central Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piet on STL |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Javier--- there is Larry Nelson near St.Louis with his Model A Ford powered
Piet.
He's at: lnelson208@yahoo.com
Saludos--
Michael Cuy
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/12/05 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
I think I'm going to get a poster of Chuck's Grinning flying helmet picture
made up and hang it on my shop wall for inspiration...BTW..I got a copy of
Chuck's new video that he made about flying his Piet..He did a great job on
it and talk about inspiration...It's all there plus some flying tips..Nice
job Chuck...Ed Grentzer..
>From: Tim Willis <strategyguy536@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, Pietenpol-List Digest List
><pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/12/05
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>This is really timely discussion for me. The parts I bought included 24
>wing ribs, which looks like not enough to build the wings, but perhaps
>enough to provide all the ribs that don't have ailerons. That still leaves
>me about where our ND builder is-- ahead in some ways, behind in others. I
>have the advantage of having finished parts, but still have to build a rib
>jig and go from there. Moreover, I have to make sure to duplicate in my
>jig and construction whatever variances the former builder made from the
>blueprint.
>
>
>Right now I can't move around much after knee surgery, but every day is
>better. Next week I will check it all out. After measuring everything and
>looking over all, I will be back.
>
>
>BTW, one of my major inspirations in this project is the picture of Chuck
>flying his Piet while grinning under a leather flying helmet. That pic is
>in my head, but titled, "That could be me!"
>
>
>---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Keep Building |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Oh SURE....Chuck won't take my fat 220# flying at
Brodhead '04....but he takes his fatter friend
flying........man, that really chaps my hide......here
I had to go out and buy my own.......-- Rcaprd@aol.com
wrote:
> In a message dated 10/13/2005 9:34:18 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> strategyguy536@yahoo.com writes:
> BTW, one of my major inspirations in this project is
> the picture of Chuck
> flying his Piet while grinning under a leather
> flying helmet. That pic is in my
> head, but titled, "That could be me!"
> That picture Will be you someday...just keep
> after it. Do something,
> anything, every day, on your project. Even if it's
> just studying the plans, or
> other literature that has something to do with the
> task you are currently
> working on.
> I'm tellin' ya what...that smile, fun &
> satisfaction I get from flying my
> plane lasts until the next opportunity I get to fly
> 'er again !!
> This evening I extended the envelope...I flew
> with the highest gross
> weight I've ever had 'er to - 1150 lbs. A buddy o'
> mine, from work, who has never
> seen anything like small airplanes very much,
> Squeezed his big ol' 240 lbs
> into the front cockpit, and we went for a 20 minute
> flight in perfect flying
> conditions !! I used the hard surface to take off,
> and did a 'Runway Hardness
> Test' on the grass landing !! It's a blast to give
> folks like him, their first
> experience at this type of flying !! I was
> certainly concerned with the climb
> performance, but she managed about a 50 or 55 mph
> climb speed, with probably
> about 100 fpm.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
>
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Cessna 195 N9883A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piet on STL |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I am actually about 175 nm from STL in SGF...(or three
days flying in a Model A powered Pietenpol).....
--- Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Javier--- there is Larry Nelson near St.Louis with
> his Model A Ford powered
> Piet.
>
> He's at: lnelson208@yahoo.com
>
> Saludos--
>
> Michael Cuy
>
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> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Cessna 195 N9883A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | St. Louis-- not ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
opps...sorry Larry ! Javier--- did you catch this ? Larry Nelson's
Piet is at
the Springfield-Branson Regional Airport.....got the right state, but the
wrong city !!!
My apologies, Larry !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Thanks, Chuck.
I am doing what you suggest-- something every day. Yesterday I talked with my
future flight instructor, and we agreed on a program, starting in a month. I
also got my copy of Fisher's "Hot Rodding Corvairs" yesterday, and looked for
details not mentioned in WW's book. It has a lot of good valve and fluid flow
info.
Today I am seeing a water-jet cutter about fabricating the sheet steel parts.
I used to own and operate a 40 spindle machine shop, but have never worked with
sheet. My shop was all turning, boring, milling, drilling and tapping. I still
lust for my Hardinge lathes and Bridgeports, because they could do such precision
work. However, BP made it all so simple we don't need those things.
I learned a lot with that shop, and the sheet metal apps on the cowl will be
another entirely different growth experience.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Thanks, Chuck.
I am doing what you suggest-- something every day. Yesterday I talked with my
future flight instructor, and we agreed on a program, starting in a month. I
also got my copy of Fisher's "Hot Rodding Corvairs" yesterday, and looked for
details not mentioned in WW's book. It has a lot of good valve and fluid flow
info.
Today I am seeing a water-jet cutter about fabricating the sheet steel parts.
I used to own and operate a 40 spindle machine shop, but have never worked with
sheet. My shop was all turning, boring, milling, drilling and tapping. I still
lust for my Hardinge lathes and Bridgeports, because they could do such precision
work. However, BP made it all so simple we don't need those things.
I learned a lot with that shop, and the sheet metal apps on the cowl will be
another entirely different growth experience.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Keep Building |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RULE, HARVEY" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Sounds like he did you a favour!
Larry Nelson wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
> Oh SURE....Chuck won't take my fat 220# flying at
> Brodhead '04....but he takes his fatter friend
> flying........man, that really chaps my hide......here
> I had to go out and buy my own.......-- Rcaprd@aol.com
> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 10/13/2005 9:34:18 AM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > strategyguy536@yahoo.com writes:
> > BTW, one of my major inspirations in this project is
> > the picture of Chuck
> > flying his Piet while grinning under a leather
> > flying helmet. That pic is in my
> > head, but titled, "That could be me!"
> > That picture Will be you someday...just keep
> > after it. Do something,
> > anything, every day, on your project. Even if it's
> > just studying the plans, or
> > other literature that has something to do with the
> > task you are currently
> > working on.
> > I'm tellin' ya what...that smile, fun &
> > satisfaction I get from flying my
> > plane lasts until the next opportunity I get to fly
> > 'er again !!
> > This evening I extended the envelope...I flew
> > with the highest gross
> > weight I've ever had 'er to - 1150 lbs. A buddy o'
> > mine, from work, who has never
> > seen anything like small airplanes very much,
> > Squeezed his big ol' 240 lbs
> > into the front cockpit, and we went for a 20 minute
> > flight in perfect flying
> > conditions !! I used the hard surface to take off,
> > and did a 'Runway Hardness
> > Test' on the grass landing !! It's a blast to give
> > folks like him, their first
> > experience at this type of flying !! I was
> > certainly concerned with the climb
> > performance, but she managed about a 50 or 55 mph
> > climb speed, with probably
> > about 100 fpm.
> >
> > Chuck Gantzer
> > NX770CG
> >
>
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> Cessna 195 N9883A
> Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Thanks, Chuck.
I am doing what you suggest-- something every day. Wednesday I spent an hour just
looking at drawings. I concluded then that I may have to build the center
wing section out of scrap plywood first to see how it really goes together.
Or look at a finished Piet.
Yesterday I talked with my future flight instructor, and we agreed on a program,
starting in a month. I also received my ordered copy of Fisher's How to Hot
Rod Corvairs yesterday, and looked for details not mentioned in WW's book. It
has a lot of good valve seating and fluid flow info.
Today I am seeing a water-jet cutter about fabricating the sheet steel parts.
[I used to own and operate a 40 spindle machine shop, but have never worked with
sheet. My shop was all turning, boring, milling, drilling and tapping. I
still lust for my Hardinge lathes and Bridgeports, because they could do such
precision work. However, BP made it all so simple we don't need those things.]
I learned a lot with that shop, and the sheet metal apps on the cowl will be
another entirely different growth experience. Rivet!
This is so much fun.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 10/13/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Thanks, Chuck.
I am doing what you suggest-- something every day. Wednesday I spent an hour just
looking at drawings. I concluded then that I may have to build the center
wing section out of scrap plywood first to see how it really goes together.
Or look at a finished Piet.
Yesterday I talked with my future flight instructor, and we agreed on a program,
starting in a month. I also received my ordered copy of Fisher's How to Hot
Rod Corvairs yesterday, and looked for details not mentioned in WW's book. It
has a lot of good valve seating and fluid flow info.
Today I am seeing a water-jet cutter about fabricating the sheet steel parts.
[I used to own and operate a 40 spindle machine shop, but have never worked with
sheet. My shop was all turning, boring, milling, drilling and tapping. I
still lust for my Hardinge lathes and Bridgeports, because they could do such
precision work. However, BP made it all so simple we don't need those things.]
I learned a lot with that shop, and the sheet metal apps on the cowl will be
another entirely different growth experience. Rivet!
This is so much fun.
Tim
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| Subject: | St. Louis-- not ! |
<5.1.1.5.2.20051014102809.021b6c60@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
Ok. dont worry guys, i think that there are a piet project on a little
field to the easth of St. Louis...
i will let you know
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| Subject: | Re Prop removal from Model A crank shaft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham and Robin Hewitt" <grhewitt@global.net.au>
What is correct method of prop removal from a Model A engine?
What is the torque spec for the large nut on the prop flange?
What is a good brand of coolant additive for lubrication of water pump
Members views would be appreciated.
Graham Hewitt
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| Subject: | Continental Overhaul |
No where in the Continental Maintenance And Overhaul Manual can I find torque limits
for the rod bolt nuts (not even on page 47...) Does anybody know how many
inch pounds for rod bolt nuts?
Thanks,
Sterling Brooks
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