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1. 08:52 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 (Tim Willis)
2. 08:52 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 (Tim Willis)
3. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 (John Hofmann)
4. 01:01 PM - Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (Ben Williams)
5. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
6. 02:45 PM - Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (walt evans)
7. 03:14 PM - Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
8. 03:18 PM - Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (Jim Ash)
9. 03:32 PM - Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (Ben Williams)
10. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 (Ken Anderson)
11. 10:14 PM - Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? (Galen Hutcheson)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Some misc. items:
1. The Piet on ebay sold for $7100. It looked pretty rough, but likely well made,
and most importantly, it was flyable.
2. There is another Piet for sale on ebay-- actually maybe listed as an "Air Camper
GN-1"-- without engine, in Maine. It was $4K last time I looked. It is
gorgeous. It was built by a local EAA club, and it shows a great deal of finish.
The lister (who is not the seller) claims it weighs 620 lbs. without the
engine. If that is right, isn't thtan 200 or 220 pounds overweight?
3. Reference the Creve Couer Airport in St. Louis County, MO-- I think it is gone
now. I lived in St. Louis County for 30 years, but have been in Texas for
a decade. Our older son who now lives in CA, was at the Creve Couer field just
last month. According to him, most of the hangars are still there, but the
field did not seem to be operational. Apparently either the city of Creve Couer
or the St. Louis County governent has turned it into a park. He believed
he was playing baseball at the new fields where the runways were only last year.
You should check it out. If this is entirely factual, that's really sad, because
it was close in towards the metro center, and was home for many interesting
and some great aircraft like Tiger Moths and homebuilts. Fittingly, "Creve
Couer" is French for "broken heart."
Tim
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 |
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Some misc. items:
1. The Piet on ebay sold for $7100. It looked pretty rough, but likely well made,
and most importantly, it was flyable.
2. There is another Piet for sale on ebay-- actually maybe listed as an "Air Camper
GN-1"-- without engine, in Maine. It was $4K last time I looked. It is
gorgeous. It was built by a local EAA club, and it shows a great deal of finish.
The lister (who is not the seller) claims it weighs 620 lbs. without the
engine. If that is right, isn't thtan 200 or 220 pounds overweight?
3. Reference the Creve Couer Airport in St. Louis County, MO-- I think it is gone
now. I lived in St. Louis County for 30 years, but have been in Texas for
a decade. Our older son who now lives in CA, was at the Creve Couer field just
last month. According to him, most of the hangars are still there, but the
field did not seem to be operational. Apparently either the city of Creve Couer
or the St. Louis County governent has turned it into a park. He believed
he was playing baseball at the new fields where the runways were only last year.
You should check it out. If this is entirely factual, that's really sad, because
it was close in towards the metro center, and was home for many interesting
and some great aircraft like Tiger Moths and homebuilts. Fittingly, "Creve
Couer" is French for "broken heart."
Tim
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
I think Dauster Field (1H0) is fine. The American Waco Club held a flyin
there in June. Air and Space magazine was there and did a nice writeup of
the field in a recent issue.
-john-
>>
>> 3. Reference the Creve Couer Airport in St. Louis County, MO-- I think it is
>> gone now. I lived in St. Louis County for 30 years, but have been in Texas
>> for a decade. Our older son who now lives in CA, was at the Creve Couer
>> field just last month. According to him, most of the hangars are still
>> there, but the field did not seem to be operational. Apparently either the
>> city of Creve Couer or the St. Louis County governent has turned it into a
>> park. He believed he was playing baseball at the new fields where the
>> runways were only last year. You should check it out. If this is entirely
>> factual, that's really sad, because it was close in towards the metro center,
>> and was home for many interesting and some great aircraft like Tiger Moths
>> and homebuilts. Fittingly, "Creve Couer" is French for "broken heart."
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Subject: | Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
Gentlemen,
First time writing to this list.
I'm building wing ribs using Elmer's Ultimate polyurethane glue.
I'm using Douglas Fir and aircraft plywood. After assembly, all wood
will be covered with West System epoxy.
http://www.westsystem.com/
Will this work or should I trash these ribs and use a different glue?
Thanks,
Ben Williams
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 |
Creve Coeur Airport in st.louis, county is still there. It is privately owned and
will not be turned into a park although there is a Creve Coeur park nearby.
I drive by there about every other week. The hangers are all there and the grass
and paved runways also.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Willis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Pietenpol-List Digest List
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05
Some misc. items:
1. The Piet on ebay sold for $7100. It looked pretty rough, but likely well
made, and most importantly, it was flyable.
2. There is another Piet for sale on ebay-- actually maybe listed as an "Air
Camper GN-1"-- without engine, in Maine. It was $4K last time I looked. It
is gorgeous. It was built by a local EAA club, and it shows a great deal of
finish. The lister (who is not the seller) claims it weighs 620 lbs. without
the engine. If that is right, isn't thtan 200 or 220 pounds overweight?
3. Reference the Creve Couer Airport in St. Louis County, MO-- I think it
is gone now. I lived in St. Louis County for 30 years, but have been in Texas
for a decade. Our older son who now lives in CA, was at the Creve Couer field
just last month. According to him, most of the hangars are still there, but
the field did not seem to be operational. Apparently either the city of Creve
Couer or the St. Louis County governent has turned it into a park. He believed
he was playing baseball at the new fields where the runways were only last
year. You should check it out. If this is entirely factual, that's really sad,
because it was close in towards the metro center, and was home for many interesting
and some great aircraft like Tiger Moths and homebuilts. Fittingly,
"Creve Couer" is French for "broken heart."
Tim
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Subject: | Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Ben,
Glues have been discussed for a long time. T-88 epoxy has been accepted/used
for a long time, and I kind of swear by it. You never have to wonder if the
glue is going to fail. Back when I started building my last project, about
6 years ago a quart kit (pint of A, pint of B) cost about $25.00/$30.00.
And I only used 1 1/2 kits to build the whole plane.
Don't know if this is your first project. But when you're flying over the
big mountain pass with no place to set down, it's nice to know about all the
things you did the right way.
My Mentor (thru 2 projects, and personal AP for Leo Laudenschlager) once
said to me and I won't forget..."When building airplanes, there's no such
thing as ,,""That's good enough""
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Williams" <benw@pdi.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's Ultimate Glue?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> First time writing to this list.
>
> I'm building wing ribs using Elmer's Ultimate polyurethane glue.
>
> I'm using Douglas Fir and aircraft plywood. After assembly, all wood
> will be covered with West System epoxy.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/
>
> Will this work or should I trash these ribs and use a different glue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben Williams
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
In a message dated 10/17/2005 3:03:02 PM Central Standard Time, benw@pdi.com
writes:
Gentlemen,
First time writing to this list.
I'm building wing ribs using Elmer's Ultimate polyurethane glue.
I'm using Douglas Fir and aircraft plywood. After assembly, all wood
will be covered with West System epoxy.
http://www.westsystem.com/
Will this work or should I trash these ribs and use a different glue?
Thanks,
Ben Williams
Ben,
Personally, I use what is well proven, hence I use T88 exclusively. I
would NOT trust my life to an experiment with Elmer's Ultimate Polyurethane
glue. Nor could I sell a project with that glue, with a clear mind.
I say use the ribs you built as an experience to learn how to build your
actual ribs, using T88. You could also use several of them for destructive
tests, or for a wall hanging.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Shot some video with the camera mounted on the belly, looking forward between
the gear legs on Friday and Saturday. Shot some Air to Air video on Sunday !!
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Subject: | Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Does anybody look at glue samples when they go over your airplane any more?
Once upon a time, having a glue sample available for every batch you mixed up for
wooden joints was a big deal. I'd heard this part of the inspection has fallen
out of favor, but is that really true? If not, what's your inspector going
to say when you show up with some kind of glue they're not used to seeing?
Jim Ash
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Subject: | Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
Chuck, Walt,
Sound advice. I'll use T88.
Thanks,
Ben
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/17/2005 3:03:02 PM Central Standard Time,
> benw@pdi.com writes:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> First time writing to this list.
>
> I'm building wing ribs using Elmer's Ultimate polyurethane glue.
>
> I'm using Douglas Fir and aircraft plywood. After assembly, all wood
> will be covered with West System epoxy.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/
>
> Will this work or should I trash these ribs and use a different glue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben Williams
>
> Ben,
> Personally, I use what is well proven, hence I use T88 exclusively.
> I would NOT trust my life to an experiment with Elmer's Ultimate
> Polyurethane glue. Nor could I sell a project with that glue, with a
> clear mind.
> I say use the ribs you built as an experience to learn how to build
> your actual ribs, using T88. You could also use several of them for
> destructive tests, or for a wall hanging.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
> Shot some video with the camera mounted on the belly, looking forward
> between the gear legs on Friday and Saturday. Shot some Air to Air
> video on Sunday !!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05 |
There was another small airport (don't remember the name) about 5 miles or so from
Creve Coeur that has been closed for quite some time at lease 10 yrs
do not archive
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Engelkenjohn
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/05
Creve Coeur Airport in st.louis, county is still there. It is privately owned and
will not be turned into a park although there is a Creve Coeur park nearby.
I drive by there about every other week. The hangers are all there and the grass
and paved runways also.
Dennis
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Subject: | Re: Elmer's Ultimate Glue? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Not that I am suggesting that anyone use the
polyurethane glue for important structural members,
but a friend of mine and I are conducting tests using
this glue. He glued two pieces of wood together as
per label directions, attached a 50# weight to the
wood and hung the entire test sample on a fence. This
sample has been hanging for nearly one year, through
all kinds of weather and is showing no signs of
failure. The wood is showing signs of deteriation,
but the glue joint is intact. Take this for what it
is worth, but I feel that down the road this glue will
be useful in some applications of aircraft building.
I used T-88 for all my structural applications
(including ribs) but I did use the polyurethane for
some things such as trim, ect. I personally don't
think that T-88 is the ONLY glue that is safe to build
airplanes with. As I recall, the early Piets (as well
as almost all wooden antique aircraft) were built with
casien glue (derived from milk protien). I think that
logic and proper testing would be a good way to
resolve this issue. We are experimenters, are we not?
Each builder must make his own decisions and form his
own conclusions from his work. If we never allowed
experimentation away from the norm, the accepted
methods, then new methods would never be developed.
Perhaps these thoughts are the ramblings of an old
scientist, but they have served me well in the past.
Doc (H)
--- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/17/2005 3:03:02 PM Central
> Standard Time, benw@pdi.com
> writes:
> Gentlemen,
>
> First time writing to this list.
>
> I'm building wing ribs using Elmer's Ultimate
> polyurethane glue.
>
> I'm using Douglas Fir and aircraft plywood. After
> assembly, all wood
> will be covered with West System epoxy.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/
>
> Will this work or should I trash these ribs and use
> a different glue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben Williams
> Ben,
> Personally, I use what is well proven, hence I
> use T88 exclusively. I
> would NOT trust my life to an experiment with
> Elmer's Ultimate Polyurethane
> glue. Nor could I sell a project with that glue,
> with a clear mind.
> I say use the ribs you built as an experience to
> learn how to build your
> actual ribs, using T88. You could also use several
> of them for destructive
> tests, or for a wall hanging.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
> Shot some video with the camera mounted on the
> belly, looking forward between
> the gear legs on Friday and Saturday. Shot some Air
> to Air video on Sunday !!
>
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