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     2. 04:20 AM - Re: Wing leading-edge tool (Phillips, Jack)
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     4. 06:32 AM - Re: Fw: in Rust We Trust (Jeff Boatright)
     5. 06:44 AM - Re: Fw: in Rust We Trust (Steve Ruse)
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     7. 09:15 AM - leading edge idea/sketch attached (Michael D Cuy)
     8. 12:27 PM - frapper site (w b evans)
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      I roughed mine out with a table saw and finished off with the belt sander using
      a template to keep the desired shape.
      
      Lou
      
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| Subject:  | Wing leading-edge tool | 
      
      I ripped two cuts with my table saw to get the approximate angle of the
      leading edge, resulting in a trapezoidal shape.  Then I attached it to
      the wing.  Finally I used a small block plane to shape it to the nice
      cureved shape required, making beautiful curled spirals of spruce as I
      walked down the length of the wing.  One of the most enjoyable parts of
      the building process!
      
      
      Jack Phillips,
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing leading-edge tool
      
      
      Hello!
      
      
       I'm posting to ask if anyone's built/used a tool to sand/shave a wing
      
       leading-edge from the rough. Our Dave's been rasping it from outlines
      
       drawn on the ends, using a template made from gusset material to
      
       confirm his work.
      
      
       We've got several devoted people putting a lot of creativity into our
      
       Piet, and I thought this'd be an opportunity to contribute to the
      
       project, and also contribute a little to this list, which has been
      
       good to belong to. Thanks!
      
      
       Sincerely,
      
      
       Dave Smith
      
       http://www.eaa1279.org/Pietenpol.htm
      
      
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| Subject:  | Fwd: in Rust We Trust | 
              IFlyTigers@AOL.COM, LCJELKS@AOL.COM, elj@shreve.net,
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      In a message dated 10/31/2005 6:57:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
      bgarrett@sport.rr.com writes:
      Do not archive
      Thought this article would interest our Piet group and also inform some 
      wives what we are all about
      
      
      In Rust We Trust: Men and Boys and the Wealth of their  Toys
      
      Oct 31, 2005
      by _Jennifer  Roback Morse_
      (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html)  (=20_bio_
      (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html)   | _archive_
      (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse/archive/2005/)   )
      
      I could never be a Leftist because the Left seems to hate two things that I=20
      love: men and American business. 
      Male-bashing has developed into a full-blown art-form in this country. And 
      strangely enough, the male-bashing is often accompanied by the presumption 
      that men and women are the same in every significant way. No one seems to  notice
      the logical conclusion: if men are bad, and women and men are the same, 
      ergo, women must be bad. But never mind. I love the men and boys in my life, 
      precisely because of the ways in which they differ from me. And many aspects  of
      American business are distinctly =E2=80=9Cguy things.=E2=80=9D  I love these parts
      of 
      American business too. 
      These two things, American men and American business came together for me 
      last weekend. My husband and I had a few blessed child-free hours, so we went 
      on a date. We went to the Antique Gas and Steam Engine fair, held two 
      week-ends a year on the grounds of the Museum of the same name, here in Vista,
      
      California. Male and female difference number one: My husband went to look at 
      the
      antique steam engines. I went to look at my husband, and a whole lot of  other
      guys, in their natural habitat. 
      What kind of machines are we talking about?  Everything from huge 
      steam-driven turbines, large enough to power a city street, to a dinky little 
      engine
      that runs a butter-churning machine. This museum is a combination of 
      technological history, and Americana. Old gentlemen in blue-striped engineer  outfits
      drove steam-propelled tractors around the grounds, blowing their  whistles at
      imaginary obstacles. Other guys showed off antique farm machinery,  that they
      had restored from a pile of rust. (The theme of this year=E2=80=99s fair  was,
      I kid you
      not, =E2=80=9CIn Rust, We Trust.=E2=80=9D)
      Still others worked in a replica  of a blacksmith=E2=80=99s shop, demonstrating
      the
      fine points of the blacksmith=E2=80=99s  craft. 
      Strolling through the streets of this antique tractor fair, you could see 
      continual improvements in technology.
      Old-fashioned wringer washing  machines were on display. You could imagine
      how welcome a gas-powered agitator  would be to a hard-working farm family,
      accustomed to washing and wringing  their clothes by hand. You could see the
      improvements in farm implements, as a  tractor took the place of a horse pulling
      a
      plow. Then the ordinary tractor  made possible a whole series of more
      specialized attachments: a disk, a  thresher, a combine.
      And how did all these improvements come about?  If you just read the  history
      books, you might think it was a series of small miracles that led from  the
      horse-drawn plow to the modern air-conditioned tractor, equipped with TV  and
      computer. In the nineteenth century, close to 80% of America worked in 
      agriculture. Today=E2=80=99s tractors allow a mere 8% of the population to plow
      the  whole
      Mid West and feed America and much of the world.  But looking  around the
      grounds of this antique tractor museum, I believe I could see how  those miracles
      took place. 
      My husband truly loves these old machines. Each old engine prompted a story=20
      about how some old farmer must have figured out this or that about how to make
       something or other work better. My husband got excited as he explained to me
       that once you had figured out how to make a steam engine work, you could use
       that same engine for many purposes.
      You could use a drive belt to connect  the engine to your washing machine, or
      to a saw mill. And he knew people of  his grandfather=E2=80=99s generation,=20who
      had
      done just that.  They took the  engine they normally used around the farmhouse,
      up into the woods when they  had lumber to mill.
      
      As I watched my husband and the other guys,  looking at antique engines with
      love in their eyes, I realized those men  weren=E2=80=99t just looking at old rusty
      machines. Every man there was filled with  admiration for the men who made those
      machines, admiration for the lives they  lived and the lives they made
      possible. These were once little boys who loved  their toy trains and tractors
      and
      cars. They grew up to be men who make things  happen, who look for a better
      way, and who figure out, one step at a time,  easier and cheaper and safer ways
      to do things. These are men who honor the  past, not by preserving it, but by
      building on it, improving it. 
      I am convinced that men like these are the key to understanding the secret 
      of American wealth. This is how all the little miracles of innovation took 
      place. Because they owned their little farms and had the right to any 
      improvements they made, American men had every incentive to find better ways  and
      to
      share their knowledge with others. These men take pride in the fact  that they
      can confront reality on reality=E2=80=99s terms. They are accountable to  reality
      in a
      way that no talking head or academic can truly be. Even when I  was an academic
      myself, and even now when I am surrounded by talking heads, I  love being
      married to an engineer. He keeps me grounded. 
      The American way is about small business and individual initiative. Our 
      country=E2=80=99s system of private property and personal innovation harnesses
      the  unique
      gifts of men and places those gifts at the service of the common good.  We
      are a rich country because we turn little boys who love tractors into  grown-up
      men who make things work better. 
      Dr. Morse is Research Fellow in Economics at the _Acton Institute for the
      Study of Religion and Liberty_ (http://www.townhal
      l.com/phrd.html?lochttp://www.acton.org/) , 
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      From: "Bruce Garrett" <bgarrett@sport.rr.com>
              "sparky garrett" <sparky96181@yahoo.com>,
              "lloyd southern" <rls8836@yahoo.com>, <Isablcorky@aol.com>,
              "Garry Carter" <garrycarter@satx.rr.com>,
              "Eddie Bell" <Eddie_Bell@msn.com>,
              "Advantage Graphics" <advgraph@kskc.net>,
              "Drew Wommack" <drew@elbymartin.com>,
              "evolve 000" <evolve_000@yahoo.com>, <greenrf@shreve.net>,
              "RICHARD LEBLANC" <madscientist_999@hotmail.com>,
              "Tim Butler" <tbutler94@hotmail.com>
      Subject: in Rust We Trust
      
      
      In Rust We Trust: Men and Boys and the Wealth of their Toys
      Oct 31, 2005
      by Jennifer Roback Morse ( bio | archive )
      
      I could never be a Leftist because the Left seems to hate two things that I=20love:
      men and American business.
      
      Male-bashing has developed into a full-blown art-form in this country. And strangely
      enough, the male-bashing is often accompanied by the presumption that men
      and women are the same in every significant way. No one seems to notice the
      logical conclusion: if men are bad, and women and men are the same, ergo, women
      must be bad. But never mind. I love the men and boys in my life,=20precisely
      because of the ways in which they differ from me. And many aspects of American
      business are distinctly =93guy things.=94  I love these parts of American business
      too.
      
      These two things, American men and American business came together for me last
      weekend. My husband and I had a few blessed child-free hours, so we went=20on
      a date. We went to the Antique Gas and Steam Engine fair, held two week-ends a
      year on the grounds of the Museum of the same name, here in Vista, California.
      Male and female difference number one: My husband went to look at the antique
      steam engines. I went to look at my husband, and a whole lot of other guys,
      in their natural habitat.
      
      What kind of machines are we talking about?  Everything from huge steam-driven
      turbines, large enough to power a city street, to a dinky little engine that runs
      a butter-churning machine. This museum is a combination of technological history,
      and Americana. Old gentlemen in blue-striped engineer outfits drove steam-propelled
      tractors around the grounds, blowing their whistles at imaginary
      obstacles. Other guys showed off antique farm machinery, that they had restored
      from a pile of rust. (The theme of this year=92s fair was, I kid you not, =93In
      Rust, We Trust.=94)
      Still others worked in a replica of a blacksmith=92s shop, demonstrating the fine
      points of the blacksmith=92s craft.
      
      
      Strolling through the streets of this antique tractor fair, you could see continual
      improvements in technology.
      Old-fashioned wringer washing machines were on display. You could imagine how welcome
      a gas-powered agitator would be to a hard-working farm family, accustomed
      to washing and wringing their clothes by hand. You could see the improvements
      in farm implements, as a tractor took the place of a horse pulling a plow.
      Then the ordinary tractor made possible a whole series of more specialized attachments:
      a disk, a thresher, a combine.
      
      And how did all these improvements come about?  If you just read the history books,
      you might think it was a series of small miracles that led from the=20horse-drawn
      plow to the modern air-conditioned tractor, equipped with TV and computer.
      In the nineteenth century, close to 80% of America worked in agriculture.
      Today=92s tractors allow a mere 8% of the population to plow the whole Mid West
      and feed America and much of the world.  But looking around the grounds of
      this antique tractor museum, I believe I could see how those miracles took place.
      
      My husband truly loves these old machines. Each old engine prompted a story=20about
      how some old farmer must have figured out this or that about how to make
      something or other work better. My husband got excited as he explained to me that
      once you had figured out how to make a steam engine work, you could use that
      same engine for many purposes.
      You could use a drive belt to connect the engine to your washing machine, or to
      a saw mill. And he knew people of his grandfather=92s generation, who had done
      just that.  They took the engine they normally used around the farmhouse, up
      into the woods when they had lumber to mill.
      
      As I watched my husband and the other guys, looking at antique engines with=20love
      in their eyes, I realized those men weren=92t just looking at old rusty machines.
      Every man there was filled with admiration for the men who made those
      machines, admiration for the lives they lived and the lives they made possible.
      These were once little boys who loved their toy trains and tractors and cars.
      They grew up to be men who make things happen, who look for a better way, and
      who figure out, one step at a time, easier and cheaper and safer ways to do
      things. These are men who honor the past, not by preserving it, but by building
      on it, improving it.
      
      I am convinced that men like these are the key to understanding the secret of American
      wealth. This is how all the little miracles of innovation took place.
      Because they owned their little farms and had the right to any improvements they
      made, American men had every incentive to find better ways and to=20share their
      knowledge with others. These men take pride in the fact that they can confront
      reality on reality=92s terms. They are accountable to reality in a way that
      no talking head or academic can truly be. Even when I was an=20academic myself,
      and even now when I am surrounded by talking heads, I love=20being married
      to an engineer. He keeps me grounded.
      
      The American way is about small business and individual initiative. Our country=92s
      system of private property and personal innovation harnesses the unique gifts
      of men and places those gifts at the service of the common good. We are a
      rich country because we turn little boys who love tractors into grown-up men
      who make things work better.
      
      Dr. Morse is Research Fellow in Economics at the Acton Institute for the Study
      of Religion and Liberty,
      
      
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      I could never be a Leftist because the Left seems to hate two things that I
      love: men and American business. 
      
      
      Male-bashing has developed into a full-blown art-form in this country. And
      strangely enough, the male-bashing is often accompanied by the presumption that
      men and women are the same in every significant way. No one seems to notice=20the
      logical conclusion: if men are bad, and women and men are the same, ergo, women
      must be bad. But never mind. I love the men and boys in my life, precisely
      because of the ways in which they differ from me. And many aspects of American
      business are distinctly =93guy things.=94 I love these parts of American
      business too. 
      
      
      These two things, American men and American business came together for me
      last weekend. My husband and I had a few blessed child-free hours, so we went on
      a date. We went to the Antique Gas and Steam Engine fair, held two week-ends a
      year on the grounds of the Museum of the same name, here in Vista, California.
      Male and female difference number one: My husband went to look at the antique
      steam engines. I went to look at my husband, and a whole lot of other guys,=20in
      their natural habitat. 
      
      
      What kind of machines are we talking about? Everything from huge
      steam-driven turbines, large enough to power a city street, to a dinky little
      engine that runs a butter-churning machine. This museum is a combination of
      technological history, and Americana. Old gentlemen in blue-striped engineer
      outfits drove steam-propelled tractors around the grounds, blowing their
      whistles at imaginary obstacles. Other guys showed off antique farm machinery,
      that they had restored from a pile of rust. (The theme of this year=92s fair was,
      I kid you not, =93In Rust, We Trust.=94) 
      Still others worked in a replica of a
      blacksmith=92s shop, demonstrating the fine points of the blacksmith=92s craft.
      
      
      
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      Strolling through the streets of this antique tractor fair, you could see
      continual improvements in technology. 
      Old-fashioned wringer washing machines
      were on display. You could imagine how welcome a gas-powered agitator would=20be
      to a hard-working farm family, accustomed to washing and wringing their clothes
      by hand. You could see the improvements in farm implements, as a tractor took
      the place of a horse pulling a plow. Then the ordinary tractor made possible a
      whole series of more specialized attachments: a disk, a thresher, a combine.
      
      
      And how did all these improvements come about? If you just read the
      history books, you might think it was a series of small miracles that led from
      the horse-drawn plow to the modern air-conditioned tractor, equipped with TV and
      computer. In the nineteenth century, close to 80% of America worked in
      agriculture. Today=92s tractors allow a mere 8% of the population to plow the
      whole Mid West and feed America and much of the world. But looking around
      the grounds of this antique tractor museum, I believe I could see how those
      miracles took place. 
      
      
      My husband truly loves these old machines. Each old engine prompted a story
      about how some old farmer must have figured out this or that about how to make
      something or other work better. My husband got excited as he explained to me
      that once you had figured out how to make a steam engine work, you could use
      that same engine for many purposes. 
      You could use a drive belt to connect
      the engine to your washing machine, or to a saw mill. And he knew people of=20his
      grandfather=92s generation, who had done just that. They took the engine
      they normally used around the farmhouse, up into the woods when they had lumber
      to mill.
      
      As I watched my husband and the other guys, looking at
      antique engines with love in their eyes, I realized those men weren=92t just
      looking at old rusty machines. Every man there was filled with admiration for
      the men who made those machines, admiration for the lives they lived and the
      lives they made possible. These were once little boys who loved their toy trains
      and tractors and cars. They grew up to be men who make things happen, who look
      for a better way, and who figure out, one step at a time, easier and cheaper and
      safer ways to do things. These are men who honor the past, not by preserving it,
      but by building on it, improving it. 
      
      
      I am convinced that men like these are the key to understanding the secret of
      American wealth. This is how all the little miracles of innovation took place.
      Because they owned their little farms and had the right to any improvements=20they
      made, American men had every incentive to find better ways and to share their
      knowledge with others. These men take pride in the fact that they can confront
      reality on reality=92s terms. They are accountable to reality in a way that=20no
      talking head or academic can truly be. Even when I was an academic myself, and
      even now when I am surrounded by talking heads, I love being married to an
      engineer. He keeps me grounded. 
      
      
      The American way is about small business and individual initiative. Our
      country=92s system of private property and personal innovation harnesses the
      unique gifts of men and places those gifts at the service of the common good. We
      are a rich country because we turn little boys who love tractors into grown-up
      men who make things work better. 
      
      <!--#include virtual"/includes/ads/ad-detail.inc" -->
      
      
      <EM>Dr. Morse is Research Fellow in Economics at the Acton Institute for the Study
      of Religion and Liberty,
      </EM>
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fwd: in Rust We Trust | 
      
      Yow! I'm a liberal Democrat. Does that mean I have to give up my 
      Pietenpol, sports cars, and venture capital pharmaceutical business? 
      ;)
      
      At 9:04 AM -0500 10/31/05, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
      >In a message dated 10/31/2005 6:57:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
      >bgarrett@sport.rr.com writes:
      >Do not archive
      >Thought this article would interest our Piet group and also inform 
      >some wives what we are all about
      >
      >In Rust We Trust: Men and Boys and the Wealth of their Toys
      >
      >Oct 31, 2005
      >by 
      ><http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html>Jennifer 
      >Roback Morse ( 
      ><http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html>bio 
      >| 
      ><http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse/archive/2005/>archive 
      >)
      >
      >I could never be a Leftist because the Left seems to hate two things 
      >that I love: men and American business.
      >
      
      -- 
      
      Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
      Assistant Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
      Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
      mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fwd: in Rust We Trust | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
      
      Thanks Corky, I'll have to forward this to my wife, who married an 
      engineer. Maybe she'll start to understand why I like to stop every 
      time we drive by a
      "dirty old hangar", a lot full of "dirty old (antique) cars", "dirty old
      airplanes", and "dirty old buildings".
      
      Steve Ruse
      N6383J - O44
      Norman, OK
      
      Quoting Isablcorky@aol.com:
      
      > In a message dated 10/31/2005 6:57:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,
      > bgarrett@sport.rr.com writes:
      > Do not archive
      > Thought this article would interest our Piet group and also inform some
      > wives what we are all about
      >
      >
      > In Rust We Trust: Men and Boys and the Wealth of their  Toys
      >
      > Oct 31, 2005
      > by _Jennifer  Roback Morse_
      > (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html)  ( 
      > _bio_
      > (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse.html)   | 
      > _archive_
      > (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/contributors/JennniferRobackMorse/archive/2005/)   
      > )
      >
      > I could never be a Leftist because the Left seems to hate two things that I
      > love: men and American business.
      > Male-bashing has developed into a full-blown art-form in this country. And
      > strangely enough, the male-bashing is often accompanied by the presumption
      > that men and women are the same in every significant way. No one 
      > seems to  notice
      > the logical conclusion: if men are bad, and women and men are the same,
      > ergo, women must be bad. But never mind. I love the men and boys in my life,
      > precisely because of the ways in which they differ from me. And many 
      > aspects  of
      > American business are distinctly ?guy things.?  I love these parts of
      > American business too.
      > These two things, American men and American business came together for me
      > last weekend. My husband and I had a few blessed child-free hours, so we went
      > on a date. We went to the Antique Gas and Steam Engine fair, held two
      > week-ends a year on the grounds of the Museum of the same name, here 
      > in Vista,
      > California. Male and female difference number one: My husband went to 
      > look at  the
      > antique steam engines. I went to look at my husband, and a whole lot 
      > of  other
      > guys, in their natural habitat.
      > What kind of machines are we talking about?  Everything from huge
      > steam-driven turbines, large enough to power a city street, to a 
      > dinky little  engine
      > that runs a butter-churning machine. This museum is a combination of
      > technological history, and Americana. Old gentlemen in blue-striped 
      > engineer  outfits
      > drove steam-propelled tractors around the grounds, blowing their  whistles at
      > imaginary obstacles. Other guys showed off antique farm machinery,  that they
      > had restored from a pile of rust. (The theme of this year?s fair  
      > was, I kid you
      > not, ?In Rust, We Trust.?)
      > Still others worked in a replica  of a blacksmith?s shop, demonstrating the
      > fine points of the blacksmith?s  craft.
      > Strolling through the streets of this antique tractor fair, you could see
      > continual improvements in technology.
      > Old-fashioned wringer washing  machines were on display. You could imagine
      > how welcome a gas-powered agitator  would be to a hard-working farm family,
      > accustomed to washing and wringing  their clothes by hand. You could see the
      > improvements in farm implements, as a  tractor took the place of a 
      > horse pulling a
      > plow. Then the ordinary tractor  made possible a whole series of more
      > specialized attachments: a disk, a  thresher, a combine.
      > And how did all these improvements come about?  If you just read the  history
      > books, you might think it was a series of small miracles that led from  the
      > horse-drawn plow to the modern air-conditioned tractor, equipped with TV  and
      > computer. In the nineteenth century, close to 80% of America worked in
      > agriculture. Today?s tractors allow a mere 8% of the population to 
      > plow the  whole
      > Mid West and feed America and much of the world.  But looking  around the
      > grounds of this antique tractor museum, I believe I could see how  
      > those miracles
      > took place.
      > My husband truly loves these old machines. Each old engine prompted a story
      > about how some old farmer must have figured out this or that about 
      > how to make
      > something or other work better. My husband got excited as he explained to me
      > that once you had figured out how to make a steam engine work, you could use
      > that same engine for many purposes.
      > You could use a drive belt to connect  the engine to your washing machine, or
      > to a saw mill. And he knew people of  his grandfather?s generation, who had
      > done just that.  They took the  engine they normally used around the 
      > farmhouse,
      > up into the woods when they  had lumber to mill.
      >
      > As I watched my husband and the other guys,  looking at antique engines with
      > love in their eyes, I realized those men  weren?t just looking at old rusty
      > machines. Every man there was filled with  admiration for the men who 
      > made those
      > machines, admiration for the lives they  lived and the lives they made
      > possible. These were once little boys who loved  their toy trains and 
      > tractors and
      > cars. They grew up to be men who make things  happen, who look for a better
      > way, and who figure out, one step at a time,  easier and cheaper and 
      > safer ways
      > to do things. These are men who honor the  past, not by preserving it, but by
      > building on it, improving it.
      > I am convinced that men like these are the key to understanding the secret
      > of American wealth. This is how all the little miracles of innovation took
      > place. Because they owned their little farms and had the right to any
      > improvements they made, American men had every incentive to find 
      > better ways  and to
      > share their knowledge with others. These men take pride in the fact  
      > that they
      > can confront reality on reality?s terms. They are accountable to  
      > reality in a
      > way that no talking head or academic can truly be. Even when I  was 
      > an academic
      > myself, and even now when I am surrounded by talking heads, I  love being
      > married to an engineer. He keeps me grounded.
      > The American way is about small business and individual initiative. Our
      > country?s system of private property and personal innovation 
      > harnesses the  unique
      > gifts of men and places those gifts at the service of the common good.  We
      > are a rich country because we turn little boys who love tractors into 
      >  grown-up
      > men who make things work better.
      > Dr. Morse is Research Fellow in Economics at the _Acton Institute for the
      > Study of Religion and Liberty_ (http://www.townhal
      > l.com/phrd.html?loc=http://www.acton.org/) ,
      >
      >
      > Do not archive
      >
      
      
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      I'm not a liberal or conservative, want to be just a plain American. Also  
      ,not a shoe salesman so take the little article anyway you like and fit your own
      
       shoes.
      Corky
      
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      This seemed nuts at the time, but worked well !
      
      Mike C. 
      
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      Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up with Google/maps,
      where by each member of a group puts in their stats and they become a
      stick pin on the map.  New builders are always asking "Anyone near here, anyone
      near there?"
      Here's the link.
      http://www.frappr.com/
      we should do it.
      Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      walt evans
      NX140DL
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      
      It's ready to go!
      
      The group name is "pietenpol".
      
      Ben
      
      w b evans wrote:
      > Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up 
      > with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their stats 
      > and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always asking 
      > "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
      > Here's the link.
      > http://www.frappr.com/
      > we should do it.
      > Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      > walt evans
      > NX140DL
      
      
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      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
      
      Cool!  I'm on it.
      
      Jack Phillips, PE
      Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
      Clinical Technologies and Services
      Cardinal Health
      Creedmoor, NC
      (919) 528-5212
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Williams
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      
      It's ready to go!
      
      The group name is "pietenpol".
      
      Ben
      
      w b evans wrote:
      > Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up 
      > with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their stats 
      > and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always
      asking 
      > "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
      > Here's the link.
      > http://www.frappr.com/
      > we should do it.
      > Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      > walt evans
      > NX140DL
      
      
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       27, 2005) at 10/31/2005 10:03:30 PM
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
      
      That's fun, I am on, don't forget pictures
      
      Hans
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      I'm getting there
      
      
      Mike King
      GN-1
      77MK
      Ponder, Texas
      
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Phillips, Jack
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:55 PM
        Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      
        --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
      
        Cool!  I'm on it.
      
        Jack Phillips, PE
        Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
        Clinical Technologies and Services
        Cardinal Health
        Creedmoor, NC
        (919) 528-5212
      
        -----Original Message-----
        From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
        [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
        Williams
        Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:45 PM
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
        Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
        --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      
        It's ready to go!
      
        The group name is "pietenpol".
      
        Ben
      
        w b evans wrote:
        > Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up
        > with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their stats
        > and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always
        asking
        > "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
        > Here's the link.
        > http://www.frappr.com/
        > we should do it.
        > Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
        > walt evans
        > NX140DL
      
      
        
        
      
      
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      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
      
      Me too.  This is neat!
      
      Steve E
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      Phillips, Jack
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
      <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
      
      Cool!  I'm on it.
      
      Jack Phillips, PE
      Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
      Clinical Technologies and Services
      Cardinal Health
      Creedmoor, NC
      (919) 528-5212
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Williams
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      
      It's ready to go!
      
      The group name is "pietenpol".
      
      Ben
      
      w b evans wrote:
      > Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up 
      > with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their stats 
      > and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always
      asking 
      > "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
      > Here's the link.
      > http://www.frappr.com/
      > we should do it.
      > Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      > walt evans
      > NX140DL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      Neat stuff! Google continues to amaze. (Well, amaze me, anyway!)
      
      At 3:24 PM -0500 10/31/05, w b evans wrote:
      >Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked 
      >up with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their 
      >stats and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are 
      >always asking "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
      >Here's the link.
      ><http://www.frappr.com/>http://www.frappr.com/
      >we should do it.
      >Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      >walt evans
      >NX140DL
      
      
      -- 
      
      Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
      Assistant Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
      Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
      mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
      
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
      
      Ben,
      Great! Did you set it up?
      If I don't answer right away,,,cause i'm logging on.
      walt evans
      NX140DL
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Ben Williams" <benw@pdi.com>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      > 
      > It's ready to go!
      > 
      > The group name is "pietenpol".
      > 
      > Ben
      > 
      > w b evans wrote:
      >> Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up 
      >> with Google/maps, where by each member of a group puts in their stats 
      >> and they become a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always asking 
      >> "Anyone near here, anyone near there?"
      >> Here's the link.
      >> http://www.frappr.com/
      >> we should do it.
      >> Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
      >> walt evans
      >> NX140DL
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site (TACO) | 
      
      Stuck a TACO on the map at http://www.frappr.com/taco, and I didn't call it macaroni.
      
      I welcome all honorary TACOs to stab a pin on their respective locations.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: w b evans
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:24 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      
        Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up with Google/maps,
      where by each member of a group puts in their stats and they become
      a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always asking "Anyone near here, anyone
      near there?"
        Here's the link.
        http://www.frappr.com/
        we should do it.
        Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
        walt evans
        NX140DL
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Williams <benw@pdi.com>
      
      Walt,
      
      I did set it up.  That was a good idea of yours.
      
      By the way, I got the T-88 and it is amazingly strong stuff.
      
      I carefully followed the application instructions and then did break 
      tests with both polyurethane glue (Elmer's Ultimate) and T-88.
      
      Wood broke 20% to 50% with the polyurethane.
      
      With T-88 it was always 100%.
      
      These are just my own observations using unscientific tests.
      
      Gotta go and build more ribs.
      
      Ben
      
      
      w b evans wrote:
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
      > 
      > Ben,
      > Great! Did you set it up?
      > If I don't answer right away,,,cause i'm logging on.
      > walt evans
      > NX140DL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
      
      Here is a link that takes right to the Pietenpol site.
      
      http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: w b evans
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:24 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: frapper site
      
      
        Just got a link from another group I'm on. They have a site hooked up with Google/maps,
      where by each member of a group puts in their stats and they become
      a stick pin on the map.  New builders are always asking "Anyone near here, anyone
      near there?"
        Here's the link.
        http://www.frappr.com/
        we should do it.
        Some of you computer savy guys check it out.
        walt evans
        NX140DL
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       <"001d01c5de8e$719687a0$9dc6 8048"@ATO>
      
      Hi Piets
      Because it's hard to get epoxy varnish here (Mexico) i used Helmmes ...
      I have been testing the varnish with mek, the helmmes (green can) whit 10 days
      for cure it's not enough..it peels of the wood.. maybe whit more days?
      i checked polyurethane varnish (two components), and the mek disolve it ..
      
      i think that i need to get epoxy varnish ev400 and recover all wood that will be
      in contact whit fabric glue..
      
      Javier Cruz
      
      Signed on the map.. cool site
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| Subject:  | Re: frapper site | 
       <001d01c5de8e$719687a0$9dc68048@ATO>
      
      I'm in too. The map puts me in deepest darkest
      downtown but I'm actually down and to the right.
      On the highest magnification it's w 10th and
      Carnarvon. I can see my white tent with a Piet
      under it! :-) :-)
      
      I see Jim got plunked in the middle of a park.
      
      Clif
      
        Here is a link that takes right to the Pietenpol site.
      
        http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
 
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