---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/21/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle) 2. 01:14 AM - Undercarriage Bungees (Hayes, Mike) 3. 06:21 AM - Re: Undercarriage Bungees (Phillips, Jack) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: flour bomb design (Sayre, William G) 5. 07:23 AM - Re: flour bomb design (Phillips, Jack) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: flour bomb design (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 7. 08:05 AM - Piet Article On AvWeb (Jim Markle) 8. 08:13 AM - a bomb-proof workshop (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 08:28 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (harvey rule) 10. 08:36 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (Sterling) 11. 08:58 AM - Re: Undercarriage Bungees (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (Textor, Jack) 13. 09:19 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (Sterling) 14. 10:06 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (harvey rule) 15. 11:22 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (bike.mike) 16. 11:44 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (harvey rule) 17. 11:56 AM - Re: a bomb-proof workshop (Textor, Jack) 18. 03:23 PM - Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Sterling) 19. 03:35 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Don Morris) 20. 03:50 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Sterling) 21. 04:07 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Don Morris) 22. 04:28 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Isablcorky@AOL.COM) 23. 05:58 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Sterling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:15 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great services!! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:47 AM PST US From: "Hayes, Mike" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Undercarriage Bungees --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" Chaps, I'm having a real struggle tensioning and then clamping my straight axle shock cord bungees. Anybody got any tips regarding how to do this and what sort of clamping arrangement to use? Regards, Mike Hayes G-BKVO Working in a sub zero UK hangar! This message and any associated files sent by Denco Limited are confidential, and intended only for the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the IT Helpdesk by telephone immediately on 01432 377368 (UK) or +(44) 1432 377 368 (international) or return it to us by e-mail quoting the name of the sender and the address. Please also be advised that you have received this email in error and that any disclosure and/or use of the information contained within this email or attachments is strictly prohibited. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Denco Limited, its divisions and/or subsidiaries, unless otherwise specifically stated. Please note that this e-mail and any attachments have not been encrypted. They may therefore be liable to be compromised. This is an inherent risk in relation to e-mail. Denco Holdings Limited its divisions subsidiaries and divisions of subsidiaries do not, to the extent permitted by law, accept any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any changes made to this e-mail after it has been sent by the original sender, any external compromises of security and/or breaches of confidentiality in relation to transmissions sent by e-mail. We cannot to the extent permitted by law accept any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses and it is therefore your responsibility to scan the attachments (if any) and carry out your own virus check before opening any attachments. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Undercarriage Bungees From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Mike, This is one of the more difficult things to do. I find it nearly impossible to do it alone, and even with help it is difficult. After some trial and error, I have come up with the following procedure, at least for the fairly stiff 1/2" bungees I am using: 1. Jack up the airplane so the axle is resting in the V of the undercarriage. 2. Make a loop around the axle with the bungee cord, and clamp it using nylon cable ties. The only way to really get the cable ties tight is with a Panduit cable tie gun. I bought mine on ebay for about $25. 3. Once the loop is tight with the cable ties (I use 3 cable ties), I secure it with a length of stainless steel safety wire twisted tight into the bungee cord. 4. Then begin wrapping the bungee around the axle and the V of the undercarriage. You need to keep as much tension as you can possibly put on the bungee as you wrap it (this is where an assistant is useful). I usually put a foot against the undercarriage and pull with both hands (be careful to not pull the undercarriage off the jack). 5. I put about 3 wraps on each end of the axle and then finish it off with a loop around the axle secured as in steps 2 and 3 above Once you have it tight and return the weight of the plane to the wheels you will find that the axle will be floating perhaps 1/4" above the V of the undercarriage. At first I did not sue the stainless safety wire to secure the bungee, relying on the nylon cable ties. After 2 instances of bungees coming loose I developed the safety wire solution. One other thing (most important!!). Always have a loop of steel cable around each end of the axle securing it to the undercarriage so that if you do break a bungee, the axle cannot come completely loose. Such a "Disaster Preventer" should allow more displacement of your axle than you ever expect to be necessary, but not allow the wingtip to touch the ground, or the undercarriage to drag. Jack Phillips Raleigh, North Carolina -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hayes, Mike Subject: Pietenpol-List: Undercarriage Bungees --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" Chaps, I'm having a real struggle tensioning and then clamping my straight axle shock cord bungees. Anybody got any tips regarding how to do this and what sort of clamping arrangement to use? Regards, Mike Hayes G-BKVO Working in a sub zero UK hangar! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flour bomb design From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Thanks for the replies - if nothing else I heard (read) great stories. Between dying the interior of a plane pink or gluing your eyes shut (water/tears plus floor equals paste) I at least know to lower my goggles before playing with such ordinance while underway. You may have avoided a funny news article about a blind, pink pilot stumbling onto a road after the accident! Bill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flour bomb design From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Bill, One thing most people don't think about is that a pile of flour makes a mess on the ground. You can achieve the same effect (a puff of smoke on impact) and do the ground some good if you use pulverized lime instead of flour. It's cheaper, too. I learned this years ago when I was practicing for a floursack bombing contest at an upcoming airshow. I asked a local farmer who had an airstrip on his farm if I could practice there and he said I could if I would use lime instead of flour, so it would improve his field. My brother and I flew several bombing missions in our J-3 Cub, as he watched. I even tried dive bombing, standing the Cub on its nose with the throttle at idle, then pulling out of the dive and tossing out the flour sack less than 100' from the ground, till one day I felt the tailwheel hit as I pulled out of the dive and I decided maybe that wasn't such a good idea (of course, at age 17 you are invulnerable). Then the farmer suggested that he had 40 acres of watermelons and there were always a few the crows had pecked holes in. He said he'd like to watch us drop those! I haven't dropped a flour sack since I discovered what superior ordnance watermelons are. We took the stick out of the back of the Cub, and my brother would fly it from the front with me in the back. I would have a watermelon under each arm and three on the floor boards (we had to be at least 100 lbs over gross). I got where I could hit a target the size of a car from 500' with good consistency. A 30 lb melon falling 500' throws a column of mud 30' in the air and digs a crater 6' in diameter and about a foot deep. Ah, the fun you can have with an airplane. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Thanks for the replies - if nothing else I heard (read) great stories. Between dying the interior of a plane pink or gluing your eyes shut (water/tears plus floor equals paste) I at least know to lower my goggles before playing with such ordinance while underway. You may have avoided a funny news article about a blind, pink pilot stumbling onto a road after the accident! Bill ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flour bomb design --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Egan, John" The watermelons remind of the book "Flight of Passage" by Rinker Buck. I think they dropped cantalopes. The below text is from a book website. "In the summer of 1966, Rinker and Kernahan Buck, two schoolboys from New Jersey, bought a dilapidated Piper Cub for $300, rebuilt it in their barns, and took off on the journey of a lifetime - a daring flight across the Rockies to California. They become to youngest aviators on record to fly coast-to-coast, and their thirst for adventure, and the simple audacity of their trip, mirrored the innocence of their times. Because they couldn't afford one, they navigated all the way to California without a radio." My wife bought me this book to read during the week we rented a beach house on Emerald Isle, N.C. (maybe you have been there Jack Phillips?). I found it to be a great story involving aviation. Maybe some of you have also read this. I understand it's also on c.d. to listen while driving. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flour bomb design --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Bill, One thing most people don't think about is that a pile of flour makes a mess on the ground. You can achieve the same effect (a puff of smoke on impact) and do the ground some good if you use pulverized lime instead of flour. It's cheaper, too. I learned this years ago when I was practicing for a floursack bombing contest at an upcoming airshow. I asked a local farmer who had an airstrip on his farm if I could practice there and he said I could if I would use lime instead of flour, so it would improve his field. My brother and I flew several bombing missions in our J-3 Cub, as he watched. I even tried dive bombing, standing the Cub on its nose with the throttle at idle, then pulling out of the dive and tossing out the flour sack less than 100' from the ground, till one day I felt the tailwheel hit as I pulled out of the dive and I decided maybe that wasn't such a good idea (of course, at age 17 you are invulnerable). Then the farmer suggested that he had 40 acres of watermelons and there were always a few the crows had pecked holes in. He said he'd like to watch us drop those! I haven't dropped a flour sack since I discovered what superior ordnance watermelons are. We took the stick out of the back of the Cub, and my brother would fly it from the front with me in the back. I would have a watermelon under each arm and three on the floor boards (we had to be at least 100 lbs over gross). I got where I could hit a target the size of a car from 500' with good consistency. A 30 lb melon falling 500' throws a column of mud 30' in the air and digs a crater 6' in diameter and about a foot deep. Ah, the fun you can have with an airplane. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Thanks for the replies - if nothing else I heard (read) great stories. Between dying the interior of a plane pink or gluing your eyes shut (water/tears plus floor equals paste) I at least know to lower my goggles before playing with such ordinance while underway. You may have avoided a funny news article about a blind, pink pilot stumbling onto a road after the accident! Bill This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:39 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Article On AvWeb DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:12 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos that people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely safe from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was that a guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in there free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just east of Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested down in his silo/shop, too ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:30 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule Sometimes you have to watch out for the silos that may have methane gas in them.I know there was the story of the farmer that walked in his and was found dead along with five other guys that decided to go in and help out,one after the other.A missle silo may not have that problem but then you never know.If I were you I'd grab your local telephone man who should have a tester.They use them for going down in the drain sewers.He may be willing to take the time to help you out if you ask him nice like and maybe buy him a beer or two.Or give him a ride in your plane! Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos that > people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely safe > from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was that a > guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in there > free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. > > I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just east of > Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. > > I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested down in > his silo/shop, too ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:17 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" My good friend and former airshow pilot Bob Sears of Wingate, Texas (just a few miles from my place) had a massive missile silo on his ranch. These are so VERY large, that if you have the moolah, they can be converted to homes. Very safe, super quiet, cheap to heat/cool but harder than heck to get a Pietenpol fuselage out of once you built it. Getting the wings out would be nearly as hard as what Chuck Gantzer had to do when I saw where he built his wings in his casa... A winch would be good, but if the wind is blowing, you would need 6 guys (who have not yet consumed cerveza) to assist with the extraction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos that > people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely safe > from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was that a > guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in there > free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. > > I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just east of > Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. > > I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested down in > his silo/shop, too ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:29 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Undercarriage Bungees --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Straight cord bungees, in my opinion, are the costliest way to safe a few bucks. When I bought wrecked N-1033B in order to do a rebuild, I studied how could this plane have been damaged so much in a cornfield landing. Answer-----bungee failure and no safety cables on landing gear. The plane landed safely but the V-gear expanded outward sofar that the slide tubes held together by the bungees simply came apart. The right gear folded-up into the wing strut. Ruining----gear, strut, wing and longeron. The long cord bungees are a serious mistake for someone building today, you simply cannot get them tight enough for complete assurance they won't expand too far. Mulitple ring type bungees are more safe. Weld on metal tabs or cross "T" type supports on your gear so it will take at least 4 Cub style ring bungees. Ring bungees come in couple diff diameter and thickness size options, choose one and make it work. But most importantly--------HEAVY WIRE SAFETY CABLES to insure the tubes will not slide completely apart. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Hayes, Mike Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Undercarriage Bungees --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hayes, Mike" Chaps, I'm having a real struggle tensioning and then clamping my straight axle shock cord bungees. Anybody got any tips regarding how to do this and what sort of clamping arrangement to use? Regards, Mike Hayes G-BKVO Working in a sub zero UK hangar! This message and any associated files sent by Denco Limited are confidential, and intended only for the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the IT Helpdesk by telephone immediately on 01432 377368 (UK) or +(44) 1432 377 368 (international) or return it to us by e-mail quoting the name of the sender and the address. Please also be advised that you have received this email in error and that any disclosure and/or use of the information contained within this email or attachments is strictly prohibited. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Denco Limited, its divisions and/or subsidiaries, unless otherwise specifically stated. Please note that this e-mail and any attachments have not been encrypted. They may therefore be liable to be compromised. This is an inherent risk in relation to e-mail. Denco Holdings Limited its divisions subsidiaries and divisions of subsidiaries do not, to the extent permitted by law, accept any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any changes made to this e-mail after it has been sent by the original sender, any external compromises of security and/or breaches of confidentiality in relation to transmissions sent by e-mail. We cannot to the extent permitted by law accept any liability (whether in contract, negligence or otherwise) for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses and it is therefore your responsibility to scan the attachments (if any) and carry out your own virus check before opening any attachments. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop From: "Textor, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" It would be my luck the Soviets would still have my silo in the crosshairs! Jack Textor > > Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos that > people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely safe > from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was that a > guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in there > free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. > > I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just east of > Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. > > I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested down in > his silo/shop, too ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > >Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:30 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" Forgot to mention... Bob Sears passed away about 10 years ago from cancer. Best guy I knew around these parts. Also, there is another missile silo near me availble for tours owned by another guy I know. He is/has turned it into a non-profit museum and is collecting a lot of items from the Cold War days to go into the museum. His silo is near Lawn Texas and you can probably find it on Google at MISSILE SILO LAWN TEXAS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" > > My good friend and former airshow pilot Bob Sears of Wingate, Texas (just a > few miles from my place) had a massive missile silo on his ranch. These are > so VERY large, that if you have the moolah, they can be converted to homes. > Very safe, super quiet, cheap to heat/cool but harder than heck to get a > Pietenpol fuselage out of once you built it. Getting the wings out would be > nearly as hard as what Chuck Gantzer had to do when I saw where he built his > wings in his casa... A winch would be good, but if the wind is blowing, you > would need 6 guys (who have not yet consumed cerveza) to assist with the > extraction. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:11 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > > Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos that > > people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely safe > > from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was that > a > > guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in there > > free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. > > > > I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just east > of > > Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. > > > > I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested down > in > > his silo/shop, too ;o) > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:56 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule Right now the Soviets are starving to death,bankrupt or part of the Russian mofia.not much happinin there!I'd be more worried about some nut with a bomb strapped to his waist or drivin around with a truck full of bacterial crap flyin out the back.The Soviets are the least of your worries. "Textor, Jack" wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" > > It would be my luck the Soviets would still have my silo in the > crosshairs! > Jack Textor > > > > > Story in the paper yesterday about these abandoned ICBM missile silos > that > > people have been buying and converting into living space. Completely > safe > > from any natural disaster, and very secluded living. My thought was > that > a > > guy could put a block and tackle up at the top, build a Piet down in > there > > free from noise and interruption, and hoist it out when complete. > > > > I see from the map of the silo sites in Texas that there is one just > east > of > > Winters, TX... where our friend Sterling Brooks lives. > > > > I suppose a guy could also sit and drink beer completely unmolested > down > in > > his silo/shop, too ;o) > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > >Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:04 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop <43820CA6.B316F7AE@bell.ca> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" > > I'd be more worried about some nut > ...drivin around with a truck full of > bacterial crap flyin out the back. > Sounds like most of my ranching relatives. You ever look closely at working ranch truck? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:51 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule Ya ,I guess that was a dumb statement about bacteria in a truck eh!I was thinking along the lines of that nasty stuff nobody wants to mention. "bike.mike" wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" > > > > > I'd be more worried about some nut > > ...drivin around with a truck full of > > bacterial crap flyin out the back. > > > Sounds like most of my ranching relatives. You ever look closely at working > ranch truck? > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a bomb-proof workshop From: "Textor, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" You're right....I should be more worried about my planer, saws, drill presses, etc! Jack Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:31 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) If a private pilot is in need of renewing his or her 3rd Class Medical, and if that same pilot is now taking blood pressure medication for BP that is a tad high, not to mention Lipitor for goo in the blood, and if the 3rd Class is denied by the FAA because by law, the new medication has to be reported (because t is a felony not to report the new meds) the way I read the regs, is that pilot CAN'T fly under the new Sport Pilot LSA class. The regs seem to suggest if you blow the physical, you can't use your drivers license to suggest you are healthy enough to fly under the LSA. The way I see keeping this simple, is to NOT take the 3rd Class physical and simply fly under the LSA regs, with your driver's license allowing for the LSA and everyone is happy (right)... Sterling ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:19 PM PST US From: Don Morris Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) Your understanding and mine are the same. If you are afraid that you can't pass, don't try. As long as the FAA has not turned down your medical, a driver's license is valid. But, if they ever do turn you down, you are kapoot. Good luck. -Don Sterling wrote: > If a private pilot is in need of renewing his or her 3rd Class > Medical, and if that same pilot is now taking blood pressure > medication for BP that is a tad high, not to mention Lipitor for goo > in the blood, and if the 3rd Class is denied by the FAA because by > law, the new medication has to be reported (because t is a felony not > to report the new meds) the way I read the regs, is that pilot CAN'T > fly under the new Sport Pilot LSA class. > > The regs seem to suggest if you blow the physical, you can't use your > drivers license to suggest you are healthy enough to fly under the LSA. > > The way I see keeping this simple, is to NOT take the 3rd Class > physical and simply fly under the LSA regs, with your driver's license > allowing for the LSA and everyone is happy (right)... > > Sterling > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:32 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) Don: Thanks, I'll tell my "friend" and he or she will be very grateful for your opinion on this subject. Sterling ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Morris To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) Your understanding and mine are the same. If you are afraid that you can't pass, don't try. As long as the FAA has not turned down your medical, a driver's license is valid. But, if they ever do turn you down, you are kapoot. Good luck. -Don Sterling wrote: If a private pilot is in need of renewing his or her 3rd Class Medical, and if that same pilot is now taking blood pressure medication for BP that is a tad high, not to mention Lipitor for goo in the blood, and if the 3rd Class is denied by the FAA because by law, the new medication has to be reported (because t is a felony not to report the new meds) the way I read the regs, is that pilot CAN'T fly under the new Sport Pilot LSA class. The regs seem to suggest if you blow the physical, you can't use your drivers license to suggest you are healthy enough to fly under the LSA. The way I see keeping this simple, is to NOT take the 3rd Class physical and simply fly under the LSA regs, with your driver's license allowing for the LSA and everyone is happy (right)... Sterling ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:24 PM PST US From: Don Morris Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) There is, I believe, a technicallity that allows a person who has been denied a medical to get approved to fly LSA, but it requires anspecific approval of the FAA (and you know how pliant they are). I have never heard of it happening, but do not claim to be up to date on the process, as it doesn't affect me... -Don Sterling wrote: > Don: > > Thanks, I'll tell my "friend" and he or she will be very grateful for > your opinion on this subject. > > Sterling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Morris > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read > them) > > Your understanding and mine are the same. If you are afraid that > you can't pass, don't try. As long as the FAA has not turned down > your medical, a driver's license is valid. But, if they ever do > turn you down, you are kapoot. > > Good luck. > > -Don > > Sterling wrote: > >> If a private pilot is in need of renewing his or her 3rd Class >> Medical, and if that same pilot is now taking blood pressure >> medication for BP that is a tad high, not to mention Lipitor for >> goo in the blood, and if the 3rd Class is denied by the FAA >> because by law, the new medication has to be reported (because t >> is a felony not to report the new meds) the way I read the regs, >> is that pilot CAN'T fly under the new Sport Pilot LSA class. >> >> The regs seem to suggest if you blow the physical, you can't use >> your drivers license to suggest you are healthy enough to fly >> under the LSA. >> >> The way I see keeping this simple, is to NOT take the 3rd Class >> physical and simply fly under the LSA regs, with your driver's >> license allowing for the LSA and everyone is happy (right)... >> >> Sterling >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:45 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) Sterling, As I learned a long time ago when I was a little boy in the Army. "Don't volunteer for ANYTHING" and he who asks questions gets answers, usually Not the one he wants. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:45 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) You are correct. When I volunteered for the Army, a few months after I had been in, I again volunteered to go to Vietnam to shoot film cameras. All the Sergeant heard me say was "go to Vietnam and shoot..." Ended up in Vietnam shooting M-60 machine guns on the back end of convoys hauling JP-4 (Jet Fuel) and my company, was called "The Crispy Critters." I now only volunteer to be the first guy in line for chow these days, or if anyone asks "Anybody for a beer?" I volunteer for that... ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) Sterling, As I learned a long time ago when I was a little boy in the Army. "Don't volunteer for ANYTHING" and he who asks questions gets answers, usually Not the one he wants.