Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 11/22/05


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 03:24 AM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Richard T. Perry)
     2. 04:11 AM - Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double Speak) (Sterling)
     3. 04:52 AM - Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double (Ted Cannaday)
     4. 06:42 AM - Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double Speak) (Jeff Boatright)
     5. 07:21 AM - Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double (Ted Cannaday)
     6. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Rick Holland)
     7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (harvey rule)
     8. 08:50 AM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
     9. 10:19 AM - He Said, She Said... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
    10. 01:24 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Graham Hansen)
    11. 03:57 PM - LSA rules (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
    12. 05:07 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) (Wizzard187@AOL.COM)
    13. 06:37 PM - Re: LSA rules (Galen Hutcheson)
    14. 07:37 PM - cutting sponge foam (Oscar Zuniga)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:24:17 AM PST US
    From: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com> What's been said is mostly correct. Two comments: My understanding about the "I busted my 3rd class and now need a waiver" process is that it run through the same channels and people as the special issuance...so it's possible, but not likely to be an easy row to hoe. And unfortunately, the FAA (as always) has an out (or a Catch-22, if you prefer) - the FAA document I read about the LSA medical referred rather pointedly to 61.53 and 61.23 - which essentially infers that you cannot operate an aircraft while taking (most) prescription drugs. Take a look at: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/ ...for more information. Not good information, but there. Sorry..... Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com "Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every morning if I've seen God; do you really think he expects me to point Him out?" "Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop asking." Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South


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    Time: 04:11:47 AM PST US
    From: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
    Subject: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double Speak)
    The Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH.... (Copied from the FAA website) >>>>>>>>>> Copied from the FAA Website ********** Response by the Federal Air Surgeon ..... if your most recent records on file with the FAA indicate that you were found ineligible to exercise airman privileges for medical reasons then, in the interest of public safety, you shouldn't go out right away and use your driver's license as medical qualification. We understand that these conditions may not have been expected and may disappoint some people. That was not our intent, nor is it our intent that affected persons would have to maintain an airman medical certificate if they would rather use their current and valid U.S. driver's license to medically qualify as a sport pilot. We ultimately concluded that, in those cases where the FAA has existing knowledge of medical ineligibility, we need the affected person to address it and, hopefully have it resolved. To meet the intent of the rule, the affected person should apply for reconsideration of their eligibility. In some denial cases, applicants simply may not have provided enough information to the FAA or may not have supplied information that the FAA may have requested. In certain other denial cases, applicants may not have exercised their appeal rights, which could have led to certification in some cases. The FAA wants to see as many pilots as possible take advantage of this exciting new rule and looks forward to working with individuals seeking to exercise sport pilot privileges. We also intend to work with EAA, AOPA, and other industry groups toward that end.


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    Time: 04:52:26 AM PST US
    From: Ted Cannaday <ted@cannaday.com>
    Speak)
    Subject: Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double
    Speak) Yes, that's the way it's written, and it doesn't make sense to me for the following reason (that I've never seen mentioned anywhere): You shouldn't have to qualify for a 3rd class medical, even once, to exercise Sport Pilot priviliges since you're never flying as a Private Pilot (possibly an IFR approach to JFK, at night, with 5 passengers, in a Baron). Sport Pilot privileges DO require a medical - a Drivers License medical - and this less stringent medical is all that should be required for the less stressful CONDITIONS that a Sport Pilot is subjected to. The rule as written says that if you've ever failed to qualify for a 3rd class medical then you need to go through the full 3rd class procedure to fly day VFR at 100mph. This is a major disconnect in my book. It seems that on the one hand the FAA has agreed that you don't need to be quite as medically qualified to fly a simple airplane as you do to fly a complex twin IFR, and yet on the other hand they require you to do exactly that! -Ted At 06:11 AM 11/22/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > The Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH.... (Copied from the FAA website) > > >>>>>>>>>> Copied from the FAA Website ********** > > > Response by the Federal Air Surgeon > ..... if your most recent records on file with the FAA indicate that you were > found ineligible to exercise airman privileges for medical reasons then, in > the interest of public safety, you shouldnt go out right away and use your > drivers license as medical qualification. > > We understand that these conditions may not have been expected and may > disappoint some people. That was not our intent, nor is it our intent that > affected persons would have to maintain an airman medical certificate if they > would rather use their current and valid U.S. drivers license to medically > qualify as a sport pilot. > > We ultimately concluded that, in those cases where the FAA has existing > knowledge of medical ineligibility, we need the affected person to address it > and, hopefully have it resolved. To meet the intent of the rule, the affected > person should apply for reconsideration of their eligibility. In some denial > cases, applicants simply may not have provided enough information to the FAA > or may not have supplied information that the FAA may have requested. In > certain other denial cases, applicants may not have exercised their appeal > rights, which could have led to certification in some cases. > > The FAA wants to see as many pilots as possible take advantage of this > exciting new rule and looks forward to working with individuals seeking to > exercise sport pilot privileges. We also intend to work with EAA, AOPA, and > other industry groups toward that end.


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    Time: 06:42:20 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double Speak)
    Ted, I think you are mainly correct but a little incorrect on your interpretation. My understanding is that if you were denied a medical and never resolved the issue, then yes, you have to go through getting a medical to get an LSA license. Every time I've spoken with EAA or AOPA on this, they emphasize that point. They may have gotten slack on clearly communicating this, but that was my experience when the rule was first announced. I don't think it's accurate to say "that if you've ever failed to qualify for a 3rd class medical then you need to go through the full 3rd class procedure." A pilot may have failed his 3rd class medical, then gotten the issue resolved, then subsequently let his medical lapse. In that scenario, since the pilot had been currently medically eligible at the time his medical lapsed, he can use his driver's license as his medical certification. That said, I agree that it's deeply disappointing that the rule came out this way and I agree with your argument 100% about the disconnect between recognition of lowered stress yet maintenance of a requirement of a clean slate. Jeff >Yes, that's the way it's written, and it doesn't >make sense to me for the following reason (that >I've never seen mentioned anywhere): > >You shouldn't have to qualify for a 3rd class >medical, even once, to exercise Sport Pilot >priviliges since you're never flying as a >Private Pilot (possibly an IFR approach to JFK, >at night, with 5 passengers, in a Baron). Sport >Pilot privileges DO require a medical - a >Drivers License medical - and this less >stringent medical is all that should be required >for the less stressful CONDITIONS that a Sport >Pilot is subjected to. The rule as written says >that if you've ever failed to qualify for a 3rd >class medical then you need to go through the >full 3rd class procedure to fly day VFR at >100mph. This is a major disconnect in my book. >It seems that on the one hand the FAA has agreed >that you don't need to be quite as medically >qualified to fly a simple airplane as you do to >fly a complex twin IFR, and yet on the other >hand they require you to do exactly that! > >-Ted > > >At 06:11 AM 11/22/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >>The Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH.... (Copied from the FAA website) >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Copied from the FAA Website ********** >> >> >> >>Response by the Federal Air Surgeon >>..... if your most recent records on file with >>the FAA indicate that you were found ineligible >>to exercise airman privileges for medical >>reasons then, in the interest of public safety, >>you shouldn=EDt go out right away and use your >>driver=EDs license as medical qualification. >> >>We understand that these conditions may not >>have been expected and may disappoint some >>people. That was not our intent, nor is it our >>intent that affected persons would have to >>maintain an airman medical certificate if they >>would rather use their current and valid U.S. >>driver=EDs license to medically qualify as a >>sport pilot. >> >>We ultimately concluded that, in those cases >>where the FAA has existing knowledge of medical >>ineligibility, we need the affected person to >>address it and, hopefully have it resolved. To >>meet the intent of the rule, the affected >>person should apply for reconsideration of >>their eligibility. In some denial cases, >>applicants simply may not have provided enough >>information to the FAA or may not have supplied >>information that the FAA may have requested. In >>certain other denial cases, applicants may not >>have exercised their appeal rights, which could >>have led to certification in some cases. >> >>The FAA wants to see as many pilots as possible >>take advantage of this exciting new rule and >>looks forward to working with individuals >>seeking to exercise sport pilot privileges. We >>also intend to work with EAA, AOPA, and other >>industry groups toward that end.


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    Time: 07:21:24 AM PST US
    From: Ted Cannaday <ted@cannaday.com>
    Speak)
    Subject: Re: Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH (FAA Double
    Speak) <4.1.20051122074026.017f7920@mail.cannaday.com> Jeff, You're right, I misspoke, I should have said, "if on your most recent attempt you failed to qualify for a 3rd class medical...". But the point remains, of course: why do they EVER require a 3rd class medical when they've already said you only need a DL medical to fly with the limited Sport Pilot privileges? -Ted At 09:30 AM 11/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > Ted, > > I think you are mainly correct but a little incorrect on your interpretation. > My understanding is that if you were denied a medical and never resolved the > issue, then yes, you have to go through getting a medical to get an LSA > license. Every time I've spoken with EAA or AOPA on this, they emphasize that > point. They may have gotten slack on clearly communicating this, but that was > my experience when the rule was first announced. I don't think it's accurate > to say "that if you've ever failed to qualify for a 3rd class medical then > you need to go through the full 3rd class procedure." A pilot may have failed > his 3rd class medical, then gotten the issue resolved, then subsequently let > his medical lapse. In that scenario, since the pilot had been currently > medically eligible at the time his medical lapsed, he can use his driver's > license as his medical certification. > > That said, I agree that it's deeply disappointing that the rule came out this > way and I agree with your argument 100% about the disconnect between > recognition of lowered stress yet maintenance of a requirement of a clean > slate. > > Jeff > >> >> Yes, that's the way it's written, and it doesn't make sense to me for the >> following reason (that I've never seen mentioned anywhere): >> You shouldn't have to qualify for a 3rd class medical, even once, to >> exercise Sport Pilot priviliges since you're never flying as a Private Pilot >> (possibly an IFR approach to JFK, at night, with 5 passengers, in a Baron). >> Sport Pilot privileges DO require a medical - a Drivers License medical - >> and this less stringent medical is all that should be required for the less >> stressful CONDITIONS that a Sport Pilot is subjected to. The rule as >> written says that if you've ever failed to qualify for a 3rd class medical >> then you need to go through the full 3rd class procedure to fly day VFR at >> 100mph. This is a major disconnect in my book. It seems that on the one >> hand the FAA has agreed that you don't need to be quite as medically >> qualified to fly a simple airplane as you do to fly a complex twin IFR, and >> yet on the other hand they require you to do exactly that! >> >> -Ted >> >> >> At 06:11 AM 11/22/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>> The Sport Pilot KISS OF DEATH.... (Copied from the FAA website) >>> >>>>>>>>>> Copied from the FAA Website ********** >>> >>> >>> Response by the Federal Air Surgeon >>> ..... if your most recent records on file with the FAA indicate that you >>> were found ineligible to exercise airman privileges for medical reasons >>> then, in the interest of public safety, you shouldn=EDt go out right away and >>> use your driver=EDs license as medical qualification. >>> >>> We understand that these conditions may not have been expected and may >>> disappoint some people. That was not our intent, nor is it our intent that >>> affected persons would have to maintain an airman medical certificate if >>> they would rather use their current and valid U.S. driver=EDs license to >>> medically qualify as a sport pilot. >>> >>> We ultimately concluded that, in those cases where the FAA has existing >>> knowledge of medical ineligibility, we need the affected person to address >>> it and, hopefully have it resolved. To meet the intent of the rule, the >>> affected person should apply for reconsideration of their eligibility. In >>> some denial cases, applicants simply may not have provided enough >>> information to the FAA or may not have supplied information that the FAA >>> may have requested. In certain other denial cases, applicants may not have >>> exercised their appeal rights, which could have led to certification in >>> some cases. >>> >>> The FAA wants to see as many pilots as possible take advantage of this >>> exciting new rule and looks forward to working with individuals seeking to >>> exercise sport pilot privileges. We also intend to work with EAA, AOPA, and >>> other industry groups toward that end. >> >


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    Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    I heard that if you can live without the prescription drugs for three years then they may consider you for eligibility for a third class. On 11/22/05, Richard T. Perry <perryrt@hotmail.com> wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" < > perryrt@hotmail.com> > > What's been said is mostly correct. Two comments: > > My understanding about the "I busted my 3rd class and now need a waiver" > process is that it run through the same channels and people as the special > issuance...so it's possible, but not likely to be an easy row to hoe. > > And unfortunately, the FAA (as always) has an out (or a Catch-22, if you > prefer) - the FAA document I read about the LSA medical referred rather > pointedly to 61.53 and 61.23 - which essentially infers that you cannot > operate an aircraft while taking (most) prescription drugs. Take a look > at: > > > http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/ > > ...for more information. Not good information, but there. > > Sorry..... > > Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com > "Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every > morning if I've seen God; do you really think he > expects me to point Him out?" > "Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop > asking." > > Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South > > books.com> > , >! > > -- Rick Holland


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    Time: 08:42:28 AM PST US
    From: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> Not that it has any relavence to me because I live and fly up here in Canada with a slightly different set of rules but if that was the case then I would never be able to fly because I take a prescription drug called Ranitidine (not sure of spelling)for heartburn caused by a hyatis hernia.Many people take prescription drugs which do not affect ones ability to fly an airplane or drive a car either.There are some drugs though that when mixed with others may have a bad effect in that area but taken by themselves are harmless.It is a very grey area.


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    Time: 08:50:05 AM PST US
    From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    srstvw@nts-online.net
    Subject: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net> I had posted this little problem FAA's catch-22 with the group last summer. Nows time for update. My last physical for 3class came up short with a tad of atrial fib. FAA medical notified by AME and medical (aka pilot's rights) pulled by FAA. Jumped thru all hoops required on FAA published flyer on having AF including about $25K medical testing bills (thank god for insurance). You can get a copy of these published docs on web, regarding what the FAA says they need for special issuance medicals. MY Heart specialist determined cause is unknown, just got it, and have to take meds, am doing so, its under control according to my heart dr. Passed all FAA required tests for special issuance. FAA's medical consultant that works out of Anchorage AK regional offices has been sitting on my paperwork for about 4 mos. My Heart Dr actually a seasoned bush pilot sent letter of recommendation after doing all FAA required test plus a heart looksee with a cath thru the artery in leg (not required but good idea). FAA wants now, in addition to published required tests, the want 4 months of records that blood thinner precribed by heart doc is actually "working". Damn stuff has been working for 6 months now, but FAA wants more. FAA's Flight Surg. (think he's a contract Dr of Oste) says he'll "maybe" issue the special issuance for 1 yr. Then I have to come back with 12 records of blood thinner tests to my AME then retake the stress test (about a $3000 medical test on a tread mill and radiology scan), then "maybe" the special issuance will be issued for 6 years, then "maybe" the retesting each year will only require blood thinner testing results, then "maybe" every other year some other published FAA test. God, I can't wait to see what new crap they come up with then. Summary--------if you have any brains at all and any suspected medical condition that may get an AME to bounce your 3rd class, drop back right now to a sport pilots rating with your current pvt pilot's write-off and your drivers license. Don't go take any more 3rd class medical exams from an AME, they're required by law to report to you to FAA med. div. in case they find anything wrong. The Piete is a good bird for this LSE rating. Don't, repeat don't get the damn FAA medical div. involved with your life, you can never ever get out. Once you're in their records you cannot fly again on a LSA tag, you must always renew your 3rd class thats the Catch-22 of this law. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Sterling sterling@pgrb.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them) If a private pilot is in need of renewing his or her 3rd Class Medical, and if that same pilot is now taking blood pressure medication for BP that is a tad high, not to mention Lipitor for goo in the blood, and if the 3rd Class is denied by the FAA because by law, the new medication has to be reported (because t is a felony not to report the new meds) the way I read the regs, is that pilot CAN'T fly under the new Sport Pilot LSA class. The regs seem to suggest if you blow the physical, you can't use your drivers license to suggest you are healthy enough to fly under the LSA. The way I see keeping this simple, is to NOT take the 3rd Class physical and simply fly under the LSA regs, with your driver's license allowing for the LSA and everyone is happy (right)... Sterling


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    Time: 10:19:35 AM PST US
    From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
    Subject: He Said, She Said...
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, I've been getting some great feedback from Listers lately along with their List Contributions. I thought I share a few more of the nice thoughts people have had regarding the what the Lists mean to them. Please take a minute right now and make a Contribution to support these Lists. Remember that its solely *your* generosity that keeps them running and without your support they would cease to exist. The Contribution web site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics List Administrator ====================== What Listers Are Saying #3 ====================== This is a great deal for aviation info/entertainment. Christopher R. Truly a great source of help and information. Eddie S. I couldn't imagine building my RV-7A without the 'net and your lists! Sebastian T. Great lists! Corey C. Where would I be without the list? George R. What a resource! Clay K. Great service. Martin H. [The List] has such a wealth of information. David N. A great resource for builders and flyers. Gregg W. I enjoy the Lists. Gene S. A great source of information. Richard N. This is a great service. Ralph C. Great service. Richard N. Great resource! John T. Very helpfull & we appreciate all your efforts. Stan B. Makes me realize how much I don't know that I don't know... Martin H. I am not a builder but enjoy the posts. Doug P. Great information. James B. Thanks to all who share their knowledge and ask the questions I didn't know enough to ask myself. It will fly some day. James M. Excellent source of information. Tony C. While I haven't learned enough to contribute to others very often, I have learned enough to avoid some mistakes in building my kit. CL M. AeroElectric list is the best! Dennis J. [The List] is invaluable. Benjamin S. I think of the Kolb List as the daily "Kolb Magazine" of what's going on. Bill T. Great service. John D. Have very much appreciated the help, suggestions, and knowledge of the listers over the course of my project. Michael S. A very useful service. Colin R. [The List] has saved me from mistakes already several times. Ron L. Love the list and hope to see it never change. David N. Between the archives, the folks that have already done it, and the rest of us currently building - I think every tidbit of knowledge is available to get/keep us in the air. Ralph C. ====================== What Listers Are Saying #3 ====================== do not archive -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 01:24:00 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> DO NOT ARCHIVE Gordon Bowen and others, Here in Canada we also have a "Catch 22" situation with regard to medicals and their impact on sport flying. Starting with the lowest level, we have the Ultralight Pilot Permit which essentially allows one to fly anything under 1200 lb. gross and a power-off stalling speed not exceeding 45mph. No passengers, unless they are licensed pilots. Day VFR only. A self-declaration of medical fitness will suffice (but, in reality, few people can truthfully declare they do not have, and never had, any of the extensive list of medical conditions). Renewal is required every five years, under normal circumstances. This is a Category 4 medical for ultralights. At the next level, we have the Recreational Pilot Permit which allows the carriage of not more than one passenger, day VFR only. The declaration form is essentially the same as that for the UPP described above, but must also be signed by a physician. It is good for two years, under normal circumstances. This is a Category 4 medical for recreational pilots. The Private Pilot Licence requires a Category 3 medical which must be performed by an Approved Medical Examiner (AME) and the requirements are essentially the same as those for your Class 3 medical. Now here is the catch: If a person has been operating with a Category 4 medical and develops a medical problem that is on that list (which is comprehensive, to say the least), he or she will be unable to truthfully state that he or she is free from that medical problem. Now this individual will have to pass a Category 3 medical done by an AME, and the medical merry-go-round will begin to turn, and all sorts of "hoops" will be presented for the unfortunate individual to jump through. At this point, some will just give up and quit flying. Others may persist and some may be able to regain Cat. 3 medical status. I am happy to say that I fall into the latter group and currently hold a Cat. 3 medical which is much more than I need for the kind of flying I do nowadays. There seems to be no mechanism whereby I can revert to a Cat. 4 medical which is less demanding than a Cat. 3, which in my view is absurd. Absurd because, with a valid Private Pilot Licence, I can get checked out on, say, a Cherokee Six, load it up with five other souls and blast off into the wild blue. And, if I want to get an Ultralight Pilot Permit to fly my Pietenpol solo, I must still pass a Cat. 3 medical! Essentially, I am a marked man and therefore am caught in our own special brand of "Catch 22", as you are in yours. It seems that there is always a "Catch 22". Your Sport Pilot and our Recreational Pilot concepts in their original form held much promise, but the medical bureaucrats have seriously compromised both programs. DO NOT ARCHIVE Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)


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    Time: 03:57:27 PM PST US
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    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: LSA rules
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Government nuttiness-- I had a heart attack a year and half ago. Fortunately my med was expired at the time. When I get the Piet flying I am going to slide back into flying under the lsa-lsp. I drive a truck, have a Com. driver license ( CDL ) with DOT medical. The DOT never said squat about my CDL medical. Just that I need a release from my DR. (I did ) and that the medical salutation had to be taken care of. (it was ) and I was back to work blasting down the highway passing oncoming school buses ( some can hold 80 kids ) at a closing speed of 130 mph! We all know what the FAA would have done if I wanted to continue my airmen medical. I can potentially do more damage in the truck than I ever could in an airplane. The FAA falls under the DOT!!! How can one hand be so different from the other hand when both are connected to the same body? Go figure. Leon S. Kansas. Glad I can still work. Glad for the EAA and their work on the lsa. lsp. Do not archive.


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    Time: 05:07:59 PM PST US
    From: Wizzard187@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Regs as I read them)
    When I was in the army, the first guys in the chow line had to serve and eat last. That was a long time ago. Ken Conrad


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    Time: 06:37:51 PM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: LSA rules
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Leon, commerce. Now if you were flying freight???? Beauracrats don't often use logic in rule making. That would only slow up an already slow process. The govt. rule of thumb is...if it makes sense, then it doesn't work for the govt. That is just the way it is... Doc (H) Do Not Archive --- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Government nuttiness-- I had a heart attack a year > and half ago. > Fortunately my med was expired at the time. When I > get the Piet flying I > am going to slide back into flying under the > lsa-lsp. I drive a truck, > have a Com. driver license ( CDL ) with DOT medical. > The DOT never said > squat about my CDL medical. Just that I need a > release from my DR. (I > did ) and that the medical salutation had to be > taken care of. (it was > ) and I was back to work blasting down the highway > passing oncoming > school buses ( some can hold 80 kids ) at a closing > speed of 130 mph! We > all know what the FAA would have done if I wanted to > continue my airmen > medical. I can potentially do more damage in the > truck than I ever could > in an airplane. The FAA falls under the DOT!!! How > can one hand be so > different from the other hand when both are > connected to the same body? > Go figure. Leon S. Kansas. Glad I can still work. > Glad for the EAA and > their work on the lsa. lsp. Do not archive. > > > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________


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    Time: 07:37:51 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: cutting sponge foam
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Just working on repairing the seat back on the Pietenpol and thought I'd post a tip that has been mentioned before but it works so well it's worth repeating. When cutting sponge foam such as is used for upholstery and cushions, use an electric knife. The one I use is one that came with a bread slicing setup, but most any electric knife will work. It cuts straight and clean through foams, unlike trying to use a knife or scissors. Mark your line on the foam with a Sharpie and just let the knife ease through. It'll cut as straight as you can mark a line with a ruler, or follow curves as needed. Be sure to rinse off the knife blades before you put the knife away, or your whole wheat bread will be "fortified" with foam dust next time you slice some ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net




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