---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/24/05: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:08 AM - Re: LSA rules (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 2. 03:42 PM - Re: LSA rules (Galen Hutcheson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:31 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA rules --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" I too have a CDL Class A, and that's not revoked by DOT. After dealing with the FAA Med Div now for over 6 mos, I've concluded what we have here is a bunch of gov't civil servants who are more worried about their jobs and guaranteed pensions (unlike the public sector pensions), to make a normally simple decision. They must assume if they ok someone to fly with a special issuance medical they're accountable to someone or something legally for letting this person fly again. Not so. Accountability rest solely with PIC, always has and always will, just like a CDL License to drive the 80,000lbs of gasoline down the road at 75 mph. You cannot sue the gov't in civil court for doing their jobs, right or wrong, these folks at FAA medical are just civil servants with Gov't Service ratings, unfortunately, their decisions cannot be forced, any more than you could force the Post Office to "find" your lost mail. Or, FEMA to do their jobs in LA. REAL Problem- no medical, therefore no airplane insurance. I've talked to a lot of Alaskan pilots with Class I, II and ATP ratings, many have told me they go to their private Dr first for a check-up including EKG before going to an FAA AME. A couple I know have gone to an Atril Fib clinic U of VA to get the shock paddle treatment on the QT to fix their problems before going back to the AME. AF can be sometimes fixed with shock paddles (CLEAR!!!!!), and or an ablation process that they run a cateter up the artery and nuke the errant electro heart circuits, some AK ATP's have had this done on the QT so they can keep their pro jobs in the airline industry, so says my Iditerod Air Force Heart Specialist Dr. Best bet, do the LSA thing if there's a med problem and you just flying for the pure fun of it, or get it fixed on the QT after finding first, don't let the FAA in your life. You can never get rid of them and you cannot force them to make a decision. Gordon Bowen N-1033B Homer AK Original Message: ----------------- From: Rick Holland at7000ft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA rules Excellent point Leon, a person with a denied third class medical can rumble down the crowded hiway at 80 mph with a 100,000 lbs of gasoline but can't fly a 255+ lb airplane over an emply field by himself. Its enough to make someone look seriously at a part 103 ultralight. RH On 11/22/05, Leon Stefan wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Government nuttiness-- I had a heart attack a year and half ago. > Fortunately my med was expired at the time. When I get the Piet flying I > am going to slide back into flying under the lsa-lsp. I drive a truck, > have a Com. driver license ( CDL ) with DOT medical. The DOT never said > squat about my CDL medical. Just that I need a release from my DR. (I > did ) and that the medical salutation had to be taken care of. (it was > ) and I was back to work blasting down the highway passing oncoming > school buses ( some can hold 80 kids ) at a closing speed of 130 mph! We > all know what the FAA would have done if I wanted to continue my airmen > medical. I can potentially do more damage in the truck than I ever could > in an airplane. The FAA falls under the DOT!!! How can one hand be so > different from the other hand when both are connected to the same body? > Go figure. Leon S. Kansas. Glad I can still work. Glad for the EAA and > their work on the lsa. lsp. Do not archive. > > ===================================== ===================================== ===================================== > > -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:34 PM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA rules --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson I agree that if you know you have a disqualifing condition, you should NOT attempt to get a medical. You will find no friends in the aeromedical people and you run the risk of having to spend mega-bucks trying keep your medical. I am an ex-AME and I know that once you are denied a medical, then the rat race is on and you most probably will not get your medical without a fight and without spending a ton of money. I believe that the LSA is the FAA's way of letting us keep flying when we otherwise would be grounded. The medical rules, despite how ambigouous they are, are stamped in granite and are unlikely to change anytime soon. If you want to keep flying then the LSA in the best way to do it. Doc (H) Do Not Archive --- "gbowen@ptialaska.net" wrote: > don't let > the FAA in your life. You can never get rid of them > and you cannot force > them to make a decision. > Gordon Bowen > N-1033B Homer AK > > Original Message: > ----------------- > Do not archive. > > > > > > > > > ===================================== > ===================================== > ===================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > > > > > > > > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/