Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 12/01/05


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 02:35 AM - Re: Straight Axle Landing Gear Fittings (Gene Rambo)
     2. 04:07 AM - Re: Rotec Radial Engine (harvey rule)
     3. 05:46 AM - Re: Rotec Radial Engine (Eric Williams)
     4. 05:50 AM - Re: Straight Axle Landing Gear Fittings (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
     5. 09:57 AM - reason to own your own airplane (Oscar Zuniga)
     6. 11:27 AM - Re: reason to own your own airplane (Hans Vander Voort)
     7. 04:57 PM - Re: Rotec Radial Engine (Dick Navratil)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:35:53 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Straight Axle Landing Gear Fittings
    Distances don't matter, cut it oversized, bend it, clamp it in place, and drill it in place. Don't pre-drill holes, except maybe in one side only as a staring point. Exact bolt placement is not that important. Slots can be cut by "chain drilling" with a small bit and cleaning up with a file. Jigsaw from the bottom works well, too. Make sure you understand how the fittings go, it is not entirely obvious from the drawing until you think about it for a few hours. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Green<mailto:mmml@bigpond.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Landing Gear Fittings I'm cutting the fittings for the straight axle landing gear and was hoping someone could help with the dimensions of the inside fitting. The Flying And Glider Manual drawings on page 17 give a dimension of 3/32" from the lower bolt holes to the fold line. Obviously this is incorrect, what measurement have you guys used? Whist we're on the subject, how are the slots for this fitting accurately cut into the fuse floor? Thanks in advance. Mike Green Romsey, Victoria, AUSTRALIA.


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    Time: 04:07:07 AM PST US
    From: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: Rotec Radial Engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> It might not hurt to put an extra nut on those bolts holding the struts as kind of a locking nut.That bolt won't go in the other way eh? No room.I had a situation with my airlerone bolts that I had to turn one the opposite way due to the fact it was interfering with the travel of the airlerone but then that was on a different aircraft as well,an N3 Pup.I also appreciate anyone telling me where I might have done something the wrong way and because I am a flyer and not a builder ,that happens all too often.Sometimes it's interesting to get a bunch of guys all standing around argueing which way something should be.We all have our own oppinion and as a Bell Canada Technician we are very opinionated. Dick Navratil wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > Harvey > Thanks for noticing those details. I will turn those upper attach bolts > around to face heads forward. On the strut attach bolts, I did that > intentionally. Notice that the bolts are extra long, they are grade 8. > They are to hold the tie down ropes. I had this discussion with the DAR and > an FAA inspecting supervisor and both approved. > I appreciate much anytime when something that appears wrong is pointed out. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:01 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Radial Engine > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> > > > > I noticed on the plane in the foreground that the bolts holding the > > struts at the wing are upside down.Up here in cold Canada we usually put > > those or any bolts in with the head up and the nut down.If the nut > > should happen to come off then the bolt will not come out right > > away.With the bolts done in the fashion in the picture you are inviting > > trouble.We also have the heads on the front side as well ;in other words > > all bolts face with the head at the front and the bolt facing the back > > or rear or the aircraft unless of coarse there is a situation where this > > is not allowed. > > > > Michael D Cuy wrote: > >> > >> Sterling-- Ask and you shall receive. (see attached pic of Dick Nav's > >> beautiful Piet with a Rotec radial engine) > >> > >> I saw a Rotec powered Kitfox fly at Oshkosh and it sounded pretty > >> neat....but not as throaty as the bigger radials > >> and it has a reduction drive as I recall that makes the engine run a bit > >> faster than you'd think it should----but don't get > >> me wrong, I think they are great....and not too bad price wise (for a > >> radial, that is) as I recall. > >> > >> Dick has done all the homework on that installation I'll bet. Haven't > >> seen him post in a while. > >> > >> Mike C. > >> > >> Name: DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg > >> DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > >> Encoding: base64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:46:51 AM PST US
    From: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotec Radial Engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com> Grade 8 for strut attach bolts?? That doesn't sound right. I know those are high strength but aren't they just high-end Home Depot stuff? I thought strut attach bolts had to be AN hardware? Very nice looking airplane though. >From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Radial Engine >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:41:38 -0600 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" ><horzpool@goldengate.net> > >Harvey >Thanks for noticing those details. I will turn those upper attach bolts >around to face heads forward. On the strut attach bolts, I did that >intentionally. Notice that the bolts are extra long, they are grade 8. >They are to hold the tie down ropes. I had this discussion with the DAR >and an FAA inspecting supervisor and both approved. >I appreciate much anytime when something that appears wrong is pointed out. >Dick N. >----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:01 AM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Radial Engine > > >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >> >>I noticed on the plane in the foreground that the bolts holding the >>struts at the wing are upside down.Up here in cold Canada we usually put >>those or any bolts in with the head up and the nut down.If the nut >>should happen to come off then the bolt will not come out right >>away.With the bolts done in the fashion in the picture you are inviting >>trouble.We also have the heads on the front side as well ;in other words >>all bolts face with the head at the front and the bolt facing the back >>or rear or the aircraft unless of coarse there is a situation where this >>is not allowed. >> >>Michael D Cuy wrote: >>> >>>Sterling-- Ask and you shall receive. (see attached pic of Dick Nav's >>>beautiful Piet with a Rotec radial engine) >>> >>>I saw a Rotec powered Kitfox fly at Oshkosh and it sounded pretty >>>neat....but not as throaty as the bigger radials >>>and it has a reduction drive as I recall that makes the engine run a bit >>>faster than you'd think it should----but don't get >>>me wrong, I think they are great....and not too bad price wise (for a >>>radial, that is) as I recall. >>> >>>Dick has done all the homework on that installation I'll bet. Haven't >>>seen him post in a while. >>> >>>Mike C. >>> >>> >>> Name: DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg >>> DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) >>> Encoding: base64 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 05:50:21 AM PST US
    From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
    Subject: Re: Straight Axle Landing Gear Fittings
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net> haven't gotten that far yet but I would think a dremel or rotozip would work well for slotting the fuselage. Tom B.


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    Time: 09:57:53 AM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    sqrlnet@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: reason to own your own airplane
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> This is a good article, especially for those of us with youngsters. Well worth reading! http://www.beechaeroclub.org/displayarticle324.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 11:27:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: reason to own your own airplane
    owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com, sqrlnet@yahoogroups.com
    From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
    27, 2005) at 12/01/2005 08:26:57 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> Good one, Oscar. Hits close to home too. My two sons can't wait untill the corvair powered pod racer has it's 40 hours flown of. Hans


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    Time: 04:57:15 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Rotec Radial Engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> I could have easily put a shorter bolt in the right way, but the long tail on the bolt holds the tie down ropes while parked. I have lock nuts on each and checking them is part of every pre flight. Grade 8 bolts are actually harder steel than AN bolts. I also use them for my motor mount to fuselage attach brackets. This is also with the approval of the FAA inspector. I needed a longer tail on those bolts because they become the cowling attach points at the same time. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Radial Engine > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> > > It might not hurt to put an extra nut on those bolts holding the struts > as kind of a locking nut.That bolt won't go in the other way eh? No > room.I had a situation with my airlerone bolts that I had to turn one > the opposite way due to the fact it was interfering with the travel of > the airlerone but then that was on a different aircraft as well,an N3 > Pup.I also appreciate anyone telling me where I might have done > something the wrong way and because I am a flyer and not a builder ,that > happens all too often.Sometimes it's interesting to get a bunch of guys > all standing around argueing which way something should be.We all have > our own oppinion and as a Bell Canada Technician we are very > opinionated. > > Dick Navratil wrote: >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" >> <horzpool@goldengate.net> >> >> Harvey >> Thanks for noticing those details. I will turn those upper attach bolts >> around to face heads forward. On the strut attach bolts, I did that >> intentionally. Notice that the bolts are extra long, they are grade 8. >> They are to hold the tie down ropes. I had this discussion with the DAR >> and >> an FAA inspecting supervisor and both approved. >> I appreciate much anytime when something that appears wrong is pointed >> out. >> Dick N. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:01 AM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Radial Engine >> >> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >> > >> > I noticed on the plane in the foreground that the bolts holding the >> > struts at the wing are upside down.Up here in cold Canada we usually >> > put >> > those or any bolts in with the head up and the nut down.If the nut >> > should happen to come off then the bolt will not come out right >> > away.With the bolts done in the fashion in the picture you are inviting >> > trouble.We also have the heads on the front side as well ;in other >> > words >> > all bolts face with the head at the front and the bolt facing the back >> > or rear or the aircraft unless of coarse there is a situation where >> > this >> > is not allowed. >> > >> > Michael D Cuy wrote: >> >> >> >> Sterling-- Ask and you shall receive. (see attached pic of Dick >> >> Nav's >> >> beautiful Piet with a Rotec radial engine) >> >> >> >> I saw a Rotec powered Kitfox fly at Oshkosh and it sounded pretty >> >> neat....but not as throaty as the bigger radials >> >> and it has a reduction drive as I recall that makes the engine run a >> >> bit >> >> faster than you'd think it should----but don't get >> >> me wrong, I think they are great....and not too bad price wise (for a >> >> radial, that is) as I recall. >> >> >> >> Dick has done all the homework on that installation I'll bet. >> >> Haven't >> >> seen him post in a while. >> >> >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> Name: DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg >> >> DickNavRotecRadialPiet.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) >> >> Encoding: base64 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >




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