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1. 12:17 AM - 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:34 AM - update on Flycorvair.com (Oscar Zuniga)
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4. 07:23 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 12/04/05 (Butch Pennewell)
5. 08:16 AM - trim adjustment update (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: trim adjustment update (Jim Markle)
7. 10:20 AM - Re: trim adjustment update (Jeff Boatright)
8. 10:30 AM - Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Jim Markle)
9. 10:53 AM - Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Phillips, Jack)
10. 11:13 AM - Re: trim adjustment update (Mark Blackwell)
11. 11:38 AM - Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Jim Markle)
12. 12:58 PM - Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Jeff Boatright)
13. 01:00 PM - Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Jeff Boatright)
14. 01:06 PM - Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? (Peter W Johnson)
15. 02:20 PM - trim sketches (Michael D Cuy)
16. 03:22 PM - Re: trim sketches (Peter W Johnson)
17. 05:42 PM - Flying NX770CG (Jim Cooper)
18. 08:15 PM - Re: Up AND Down Trim adjustment? (Gary Gower)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Let me say *thank you* to everyone that made a Contribution in
support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all the
great comments people had regarding what the Lists mean to them and
how much they look forward to reading the new posts each day. As I
have said many times before, running these Lists and creating the
many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your
comments of support and appreciation have particular meaning for
me. Your generosity during this time of List support only
underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund
Raiser please feel free to do so. There are still a number of the
various Free Gifts to be had as well. Once again, the URL for the
Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises (
http://www.kitlog.com ), and Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP (
http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) for their extremely generous support
during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of
merchandise. These are three great guys that support this industry
and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their
respective web sites. Thank you Andy, Paul, and Jon!! Your support
is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find the 2005 List of Contributors
current as of 12/4/05! Have a look at this list of names as these
are the people that make all of these List services possible! I
can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback
during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU!
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and
hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------ 2005 List of Contributors ---------------------
Ackerman, John P
Ackland, Andrew
Ackworth, Robert
Adamson, Arden
Akerstrom, Ed
Alberti, David
Alexander, George
Allee, Joseph
Allen, Mark L
Alley, Brian
Allington, Wally
Allsop, Bryan
Alons, Kevin
Al, Rupp
Altenhein, Gary
Anderson, Edward
Anderson, John
Anderson, Ken
Andrews, Ronald
Anliker, Mark
Anthony, Bruce
Anton, Bill
Applefeld, Gerald
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Atkinson, Paul
Austin, Peter
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
Baleshta, Doug
Ballenger, James
Barba, Alberto
Barnes, Thomas
Barrie, Darwin
Barson, Ron
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
Bass, George
BatchelderJr, Ellery
Bates Jr, Marcus
Bean, Jim
Bean, Robert
Bearden, Jeff
Beauchamp, Norm
Bellach, Robin
Bell, Bruce B
Bell, Jack
Belvin, Thomas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Berges, Duncan
Berg, Wayne
Bermudez, John
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Berry, Bert
Berry, Jim
Bertz, Gary
Berube, Bob
Betz, Judie
Bezzard, Richard
Bickham, John
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Billingsley, Dan
Billington, Chuck
Bish, Dan
Black, Milton
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blackwell, Rodney
Blair, Sean
Blank, Stephen
Boeshaar, David
Boetto, Steve
Bohannon, Larry
Bollaert, Brian
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, Greg
Bope, David
Bordelon, Bruce
Borger, Robert
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Gordon
Bowen, James
Bowen, Larry
Bowman, Brice
Bowman, John
Boxill, Mike
Boyd, Bill
Boyer, James R
Boyle, Neville
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Bressler, Wes
Bressler, Wesley
Brick, John
Brien, Tim
Briggs, Gary
Brogley, Michael
Brooks, John
Brooks, Kenyon
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, Allen
Brown, Bob
Brunke, Judy
Bryan, Mark
Buchanan, Guy
Buchmann, Keith
Buckthal, Robert
Buess, Alfred
Bullett, Charles
Bullock, Jack
Bumhoffer, Al
Burden, Ron
Burke, James
Burkhardt, Michael
Burnaby, John
Burnett, Ron
Burns, Mark
Burrill, Phil
Burrows, Alan
Burton, James
Busch, Rob
Butcher, James
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butler, Sherman
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Caldwell, Rick
Cannon, Michael
Cannon, Paul
Cann, Tony
Cantrell, Jim
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Sal
Cardell, Bill
Carillon Sr, Paul
Carpenter, Jeffrey
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carriere, James
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Carter, PaulQ
Carter, Preston
Cary, William
Casson, Perry
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Ken
Champion, Robert
Chandler, Rick
Chang, Ted
Chatham, Robert
Checkoway, Dan
Chelvanayagam, Indran
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Circle, Roger
Clarke, Christopher
Clarke, Paddy
Clark, James
Clark, Michael
Clay, Dennis
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
Cliff, John
Clifford, Dewayne
Clyma, Frank
Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Mark
Cochran, Stewart
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Cole, Roger
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Combs, Jim
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Doug
Cook, Marc
Cooling, John
Cooper, James
Cooper, Marcus
Corbalis, Leo
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Corriveau, Grant
Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Coussons, Herb
Cox, John
Cravener, Donald
Crawford, Corey
Creer, Michael
Cribb, William
Crockett, Jim
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Rich
Cross, Brian
Crothers, Bill
Cruikshank, Bruce
Culver, Ronald
Curtis, William
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Daniell, William
Danielsen, HansJ%c3%b8rgen
Daves, Russell
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Barry
Davis, Deems
Davis, Robert
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, Garth
Decker, Daniel
Decramer, Dick
Deford, David
De Jong, Jan
Delaney, Tom
Deloach, Reginald
DelPeso, Jose
Delsol, Mich%c3%a8le
Dennis, Chris
Dewees, Ron
Dewey, Debbie
Dial, Larry
Dickson, Robert
Dieh, Donald
Dietrich, Klaus
Disher, John
Dominy, Kenneth
Donato, John
Dondlinger, Leo
Doran, Thomas
Dorsey, Robert
Doud, Herbert
Dovey, Martin
Doyle, Mike
Draper, Mike
Dresden, Robert
Dufresne, Robert
Duke, Gordon
Dunne, John
Durakovich, David
East, David
Eckenroth, Paul
Edgerton, Wayne
Edwards, Ed
Edwards, Joe
Ehlers, Clyde D
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Christopher
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellis, Dale
Elrod, Michael
Engel, Jerry
Engh, Duncan
England, Charles
Erickson, Alan
Erickson, Gerald
Erickson, Ken
Ervin, Thomas
Evenson, Roger
Fackler, Ken
Fair, Deal
Falik, Donald
Farmer, Daniel
Faulkner, Thomas
F, Dwight
Featherston, Les
Feldman, Herb
Felker, Timothy
Fetterman, Lanny
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Filucci, Michael
Finley, John
Fischer, Douglas
Fischer, John
Fishe, James
Fisher, Richard
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Fix, Douglas
Flamini, Dennis
Flavin, John
Fluent, Grant
Flynn, Harold
Ford, Dean
Ford, John
Ford, Michael
Forrest, Gerald
Forsberg, Erik
Fosse, James M
Fox, Byron
Fox, Stephen
Franz, Carl
Fray, Jerry
Frazier, Ford
French, Edwin
French, James
Fromm, John
Fulgham, Bill
Fullilove, Ken
Fulmer, Joseph
Fussell, Larry
Fux, Franz
Gabbard, Gary
Gallagher, Noel
Gallenbach, Craig
Gantzer, Charles G
Gardner, Albert
Gardner, Terrence
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Garrou, Douglas
Gates, Leo
Geese, Ronald
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German, Mark
Giacona, William
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Gillespie, Rl
Gilliatt, Jim
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Gleason, Mike
Goff, George
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Golden, Dennis
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Goolsby, James
Gordon, Keith
Gottelt, Herbert
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Goudinoff, Peter
Gower, Gary
Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
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Graham Jr, W Doyce
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Grajek, Al
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Grantz, Alan
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Greenough, Jim
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Jim
Griffin, Robert
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Groell, Pascal
Groote, Curtis
Grosse, John
Gummo, Thomas
Gustafson, Aaron
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Haertlein, Frank
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Halvorsen, Lyf
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Hand, Christopher
Hankinson, Julian
Hanley, BrettAlan
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Hansen, ArnoldKristian
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Happ, Paul
Harcourt, David
Haring, Robert
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Hauck, John
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Rickman, Loy
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Ritter, Mark T
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Rowe, Jay
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Saligman, Ira
Sallas, C William
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Savarese, Anthony Dennis
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Saylor, David
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Schlosser, Kevin
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Schneider, Werner
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Shannon, Kevin
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Sharp, Ralph
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Shaw, Rex
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Tinker, R Rupert
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Zirges, Malcolm
Zollinger, Duane
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
William has posted an "at the hangar" update on his webpage, at
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html . Included are photos of Dave "the
Bear" Vargesko's successful test-flight of his Wagabond, some builder photos
of Flybaby builders, and some "how not to balance your pistons" photos.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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There are plenty of "non-critical" items in a Piet where alternative techniques
and materials can be subsituted in the name of frugality or experimentation.
Latex paint, or good quality Douglas fir, etc, come to mind. While everyone
can appreciate the need/desire to be frugal, with critical items such as hardware,
fitting metal, good quality wood, glue etc, it seems that the real amount
of money saved cannot compare with your life. I think there is enough going
through one's mind in a plane they built during heavy turbulance, that adding
any doubt about the integrity of structural items seems highly undesireable.
$.02
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 12/04/05 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Butch Pennewell" <kmodairy@centurytel.net>
On the subject of bolts, I had a bolt salesman tell that every time you
tighten a bolt it would take less lbs torque to brake it. Makes a case for
changing them every so often in a place where they are taken off and
retorqued
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 12/04/05
> *
>
> ==================================================
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
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> Pietenpol-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Sun 12/04/05: 8
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 06:31 AM - Re: grade 8 bolts (Harvey Rule)
> 2. 07:19 AM - Flying NX770CG - Video (Rcaprd@aol.com)
> 3. 08:11 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05 (Tim
Willis)
> 4. 08:11 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05 (Tim
Willis)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05 (w b
evans)
> 6. 04:30 PM - Re: Grade 8 vs AN (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
> 7. 05:42 PM - Re: Flying NX770CG - Video (John and Phyllis Smoyer)
> 8. 06:02 PM - Re: Flying NX770CG - Video (Rcaprd@aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:31:22 AM PST US
> From: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: grade 8 bolts
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule
<harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
>
> Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> > I wonder how much one really saves avoiding AN hardware... maybe the
> > cost of a couple of nice dinners?
> >
> > Douwe
>
> MAYBE your life might depend on it;think about that!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:19:02 AM PST US
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying NX770CG - Video
>
> First of all, I would like to thank the many folks who responded about
> the first video I made. Your help was extremely valuable in the making of
this
>
> final version. This has been a HUGE project for me, but I'm glad I did
it.
> It's one of those things that seems like it's never done.
>
> I finally finished 'Flying NX770CG', (I'm close to finishing
'Building
> NX770CG'). For those that have never seen a Pietenpol fly, or for those
who
> have never been in one, this video is for you !! I put the viewer in the
Pilot
>
> seat to give the sight, sound, and feel of what it's like flying Low &
Slow.
>
> It's 1hr 50min long, and here are some of the scenes:
> Engine start, taxi, and Detailed take off & landing sequences, with 8 or 9
> camera angles.
> Some special effects.
> Lots of Smokin' scenes.
> Air to Air footage.
> Background music to accompany many scenes.
> Lots of Voice Over, explaining what's going on.
> In air video of Cutting the Toilet Paper, Windmills, Lakes, Hot Air
Balloons,
> Chasing trains, pacing the shadow on the interstate.
> Some of my 3100 mile cross country flight in '04.
> River Run - down on the deck.
> Detailed landing sequence.
>
> $20
> e-mail me direct, if you are interested.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 08:11:18 AM PST US
> From: Tim Willis <strategyguy536@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
> Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>
> Source of AN bolts
>
> I think one of our site members directed us to a good source for
inexpensive new AN bolts and other hardware. Take a look at
www.airpartsinc.com in Kansas City, KS. While their catalog only shows
sizes up to AN6-20 (3/8"-24), an obscure note on p.11 of their 2005 catalog
says they stock up to AN10 (5/8" dia.). I would try them for bolts first.
>
> On the subject of hardness, you don't want steel parts that are tempered
to great
> hardness. I recall dropping a 3 inch dia. tool steel form tool (it made
> the shape of a unique part). I had the tool hardened professionally to
maximum
> (Rockwell) hardness. It shattered on the concrete from a three foot drop.
> That's a good argument for not hardening your own stuff, or considering
the application
> very thoroghly. It was great for my app., but required special handling.
>
>
> Case hardening the first few thousandths of any bolt can be a good idea,
though,
> for you don't want the threads to be soft and work against each other. As
> pointed out, rolled threads are stronger than cut threads, in part because
they
> are "work hardened" by the process. I suspect that AN bolts are not only
rolled
> threads, but may be case hardened, as well.
>
> At a practical level, while all this discussion is worthwhile, I plan to
leave
> it to the pros and buy AN parts. In a pinch I would not hesitate to use
other
> quality bolts for a while.
>
> The practice of changing specific bolts annually is a new thought for
inexpeienced
> me. Is that considered "good practice" or is that someone's (e.g., the
> FAA) requirement?
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:11:18 AM PST US
> From: Tim Willis <strategyguy536@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
> Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>
> Source of AN bolts
>
> I think one of our site members directed us to a good source for
inexpensive new AN bolts and other hardware. Take a look at
www.airpartsinc.com in Kansas City, KS. While their catalog only shows
sizes up to AN6-20 (3/8"-24), an obscure note on p.11 of their 2005 catalog
says they stock up to AN10 (5/8" dia.). I would try them for bolts first.
>
> On the subject of hardness, you don't want steel parts that are tempered
to great
> hardness. I recall dropping a 3 inch dia. tool steel form tool (it made
> the shape of a unique part). I had the tool hardened professionally to
maximum
> (Rockwell) hardness. It shattered on the concrete from a three foot drop.
> That's a good argument for not hardening your own stuff, or considering
the application
> very thoroghly. It was great for my app., but required special handling.
>
>
> Case hardening the first few thousandths of any bolt can be a good idea,
though,
> for you don't want the threads to be soft and work against each other. As
> pointed out, rolled threads are stronger than cut threads, in part because
they
> are "work hardened" by the process. I suspect that AN bolts are not only
rolled
> threads, but may be case hardened, as well.
>
> At a practical level, while all this discussion is worthwhile, I plan to
leave
> it to the pros and buy AN parts. In a pinch I would not hesitate to use
other
> quality bolts for a while.
>
> The practice of changing specific bolts annually is a new thought for
inexpeienced
> me. Is that considered "good practice" or is that someone's (e.g., the
> FAA) requirement?
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:05:41 PM PST US
> From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
> "Pietenpol-List Digest List" <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>
> My understanding is that there is hardness and toughness.
> I read where AN bolts can be bent into a knot , cold, without breaking.
Don't
> think a grade 8 will do that.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Willis
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Pietenpol-List Digest List
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
>
>
> Source of AN bolts
>
> I think one of our site members directed us to a good source for
inexpensive new AN bolts and other hardware. Take a look at
www.airpartsinc.com in Kansas City, KS. While their catalog only shows
sizes up to AN6-20 (3/8"-24), an obscure note on p.11 of their 2005 catalog
says they stock up to AN10 (5/8" dia.). I would try them for bolts first.
>
> On the subject of hardness, you don't want steel parts that are tempered
to great
> hardness. I recall dropping a 3 inch dia. tool steel form tool (it made
> the shape of a unique part). I had the tool hardened professionally to
maximum
> (Rockwell) hardness. It shattered on the concrete from a three foot drop.
> That's a good argument for not hardening your own stuff, or considering
the application
> very thoroghly. It was great for my app., but required special handling.
>
>
> Case hardening the first few thousandths of any bolt can be a good idea,
though,
> for you don't want the threads to be soft and work against each other. As
> pointed out, rolled threads are stronger than cut threads, in part because
they
> are "work hardened" by the process. I suspect that AN bolts are not only
rolled
> threads, but may be case hardened, as well.
>
> At a practical level, while all this discussion is worthwhile, I plan to
leave
> it to the pros and buy AN parts. In a pinch I would not hesitate to use
other
> quality bolts for a while.
>
> The practice of changing specific bolts annually is a new thought for
inexpeienced
> me. Is that considered "good practice" or is that someone's (e.g., the
> FAA) requirement?
>
> Tim
>
>
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:30:49 PM PST US
> From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Grade 8 vs AN
> INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
<gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> I think I remember reading in the Sacramento Sky Ranch tech book that AN
> bolts have the threads actually pressed into the bolt vs store bought
grade
> 8's that have the threads cut into the bolt shank. Think the tensile,
> elongation and hardness are the same but this issue of how the threads are
> cut or pressed is critical for failure. Sky Ranch also has a good section
> on the amount of torque needed to get the bolt to right elongation for
> maximum clamping without overstressing to failure. Recommend this book to
> anyone building a homebuilt.
> Gordon Bowen
> Homer AK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: w b evans wbeevans@verizon.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
>
>
> My understanding is that there is hardness and toughness.
> I read where AN bolts can be bent into a knot , cold, without breaking.
> Don't think a grade 8 will do that.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Willis
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Pietenpol-List Digest List
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/03/05
>
>
> Source of AN bolts
>
> I think one of our site members directed us to a good source for
> inexpensive new AN bolts and other hardware. Take a look at
> www.airpartsinc.com in Kansas City, KS. While their catalog only shows
> sizes up to AN6-20 (3/8"-24), an obscure note on p.11 of their 2005
catalog
> says they stock up to AN10 (5/8" dia.). I would try them for bolts first.
>
> On the subject of hardness, you don't want steel parts that are tempered
> to great hardness. I recall dropping a 3 inch dia. tool steel form tool
> (it made the shape of a unique part). I had the tool hardened
> professionally to maximum (Rockwell) hardness. It shattered on the
> concrete from a three foot drop. That's a good argument for not hardening
> your own stuff, or considering the application very thoroghly. It was
> great for my app., but required special handling.
>
> Case hardening the first few thousandths of any bolt can be a good idea,
> though, for you don't want the threads to be soft and work against each
> other. As pointed out, rolled threads are stronger than cut threads, in
> part because they are "work hardened" by the process. I suspect that AN
> bolts are not only rolled threads, but may be case hardened, as well.
>
> At a practical level, while all this discussion is worthwhile, I plan to
> leave it to the pros and buy AN parts. In a pinch I would not hesitate to
> use other quality bolts for a while.
>
> The practice of changing specific bolts annually is a new thought for
> inexpeienced me. Is that considered "good practice" or is that someone's
> (e.g., the FAA) requirement?
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 05:42:59 PM PST US
> From: "John and Phyllis Smoyer" <jpsmoyer@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying NX770CG - Video
>
> Dear Chuck,
> I'd be very interested in the "building of" video. Please let me know
whenever
> it's available. Thanks.
> John Smoyer
> jpsmoyer@verizon.net
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:02:13 PM PST US
> From: Rcaprd@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying NX770CG - Video
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2005 7:43:38 PM Central Standard Time,
> jpsmoyer@verizon.net writes:
> Dear Chuck,
> I'd be very interested in the "building of" video. Please let me know
> whenever it's available. Thanks.
> John Smoyer
> John,
> I will try to remember to let you know when it's done, but it probably not
be
> done before Christmas. I'm going into great detail about the
construction.
> Ya just can't imiagine how much time it takes me to do this video stuff !!
I
> will certainly post it to the Matronix Pietenpol Group, when it's done.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
>
>
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Subject: | trim adjustment update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
For anyone who is interested, I've fabricated and tried out an elevator trim
mechanism (simple) using bead chain. The idea is that you pull the chain
out to where the elevator is trimmed, then drop the chain into a notch to
hold it there. The chain applies tension to a bungee that pulls on the
elevator bellcrank in the tailcone.
My findings: the bead chain I got from the hardware store is only good for
about 12 lbs. pull, and the small chain "joiners" let go at even less than
that... 8 lbs. Readings were taken with a "fish de-liar" type scale. The
bungee sure makes a loud twang when the chain lets go ;o) Conclusion:
abandon the bead chain since I can't find anything more robust. I'll be
trying nylon parachute cord with knots tied in it, or something similar.
I've found that it takes a couple of pounds' pull just to hold the weight of
the elevator, with no air loads imposed.
In lieu of cord with knots, I could do an aluminum bar with notches cut in
it and may try that, too.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: trim adjustment update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Why not run bungee all the way (no transition to bead chain) and replace the notch/notched aluminum bar/whatever with an open V cleat? Nice and simple..... http://www.chsmith.com.au/Sail.html
Or transition the part that slips into the V cleat to some kind of "non" streachy
line if needed.....
Jim in Plano
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: trim adjustment update
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
For anyone who is interested, I've fabricated and tried out an elevator trim
mechanism (simple) using bead chain. The idea is that you pull the chain
out to where the elevator is trimmed, then drop the chain into a notch to
hold it there. The chain applies tension to a bungee that pulls on the
elevator bellcrank in the tailcone.
My findings: the bead chain I got from the hardware store is only good for
about 12 lbs. pull, and the small chain "joiners" let go at even less than
that... 8 lbs. Readings were taken with a "fish de-liar" type scale. The
bungee sure makes a loud twang when the chain lets go ;o) Conclusion:
abandon the bead chain since I can't find anything more robust. I'll be
trying nylon parachute cord with knots tied in it, or something similar.
I've found that it takes a couple of pounds' pull just to hold the weight of
the elevator, with no air loads imposed.
In lieu of cord with knots, I could do an aluminum bar with notches cut in
it and may try that, too.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: trim adjustment update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Oscar,
How about light-weight chain; the links could be looped over a nail,
providing nearly infinite adjustment.
Jeff
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>For anyone who is interested, I've fabricated and tried out an
>elevator trim mechanism (simple) using bead chain. The idea is that
>you pull the chain out to where the elevator is trimmed, then drop
>the chain into a notch to hold it there. The chain applies tension
>to a bungee that pulls on the elevator bellcrank in the tailcone.
>
>My findings: the bead chain I got from the hardware store is only
>good for about 12 lbs. pull, and the small chain "joiners" let go at
>even less than that... 8 lbs. Readings were taken with a "fish
>de-liar" type scale. The bungee sure makes a loud twang when the
>chain lets go ;o) Conclusion: abandon the bead chain since I can't
>find anything more robust. I'll be trying nylon parachute cord with
>knots tied in it, or something similar. I've found that it takes a
>couple of pounds' pull just to hold the weight of the elevator, with
>no air loads imposed.
>
>In lieu of cord with knots, I could do an aluminum bar with notches
>cut in it and may try that, too.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Up AND Down trim adjustment? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Seems all I ever hear about is someong having to "hold some back pressure" on the
stick....
Does the Pietenpol Air Camper EVER need down elevator on a "typical" flight? I
know there's no way to say "never"....but generally speaking, could I get by
with just an "UP" adjustment or will some down elevator be needed on a regular
basis?
JM
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Subject: | Up AND Down trim adjustment? |
Mine nearly always needs some down elevator trim. I installed a
bellcrank spring trim system similar to Mike Cuy's (although my trim
lever sticks up through the rear seat and is arranged so forward is nose
down, aft is nose up trim). When flying solo, with nothing in my nose
baggage compartment, I have the trim lever about 80% forward. When
flying with a load in the front seat and in the baggage compartment, the
trim lever need to be a bit aft of neutral.
Incidentally, I use screen door springs and taoilet tank chain from Home
Depot for my trim system. I don't think bungees are a great way to go
because they don't have a linear spring rate and they tend to stretch
over time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Markle
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Up AND Down trim adjustment?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Seems all I ever hear about is someong having to "hold some back
pressure" on the stick....
Does the Pietenpol Air Camper EVER need down elevator on a "typical"
flight? I know there's no way to say "never"....but generally speaking,
could I get by with just an "UP" adjustment or will some down elevator
be needed on a regular basis?
JM
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Subject: | Re: trim adjustment update |
<a06020412bfba268d23f0@[10.71.1.88]>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" <markb1958@verizon.net>
Just make sure that what ever system you use, it can be overpowered for the
day when you forget to set it for take off or any of a number of different
situations.
Though it might take work, you should be able to fly the airplane with the
trim in the wrong position.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trim adjustment update
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
> Oscar,
>
> How about light-weight chain; the links could be looped over a nail,
> providing nearly infinite adjustment.
>
> Jeff
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
>><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>For anyone who is interested, I've fabricated and tried out an elevator
>>trim mechanism (simple) using bead chain. The idea is that you pull the
>>chain out to where the elevator is trimmed, then drop the chain into a
>>notch to hold it there. The chain applies tension to a bungee that pulls
>>on the elevator bellcrank in the tailcone.
>>
>>My findings: the bead chain I got from the hardware store is only good for
>>about 12 lbs. pull, and the small chain "joiners" let go at even less than
>>that... 8 lbs. Readings were taken with a "fish de-liar" type scale. The
>>bungee sure makes a loud twang when the chain lets go ;o) Conclusion:
>>abandon the bead chain since I can't find anything more robust. I'll be
>>trying nylon parachute cord with knots tied in it, or something similar.
>>I've found that it takes a couple of pounds' pull just to hold the weight
>>of the elevator, with no air loads imposed.
>>
>>In lieu of cord with knots, I could do an aluminum bar with notches cut in
>>it and may try that, too.
>>
>>Oscar Zuniga
>>San Antonio, TX
>>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Mine always needs down elevator, even with full fuel and a passenger.
I think they're tail heavy.
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>
>Seems all I ever hear about is someong having to "hold some back
>pressure" on the stick....
>
>Does the Pietenpol Air Camper EVER need down elevator on a "typical"
>flight? I know there's no way to say "never"....but generally
>speaking, could I get by with just an "UP" adjustment or will some
>down elevator be needed on a regular basis?
>
>JM
>
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Subject: | Up AND Down trim adjustment? |
My flying often involves plumbing terms, like: "That was a really
crappy landing, Jeff..."
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>thanks very much Jack.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack"
>Sent: Dec 5, 2005 1:52 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Up AND Down trim adjustment?
>
>Mine nearly always needs some down elevator trim. I installed a
>bellcrank spring trim system similar to Mike Cuy's (although my trim
>lever sticks up through the rear seat and is arranged so forward is
>nose down, aft is nose up trim). When flying solo, with nothing in
>my nose baggage compartment, I have the trim lever about 80%
>forward. When flying with a load in the front seat and in the
>baggage compartment, the trim lever need to be a bit aft of neutral.
>
>Incidentally, I use screen door springs and taoilet tank chain from
>Home Depot for my trim system. I don't think bungees are a great
>way to go because they don't have a linear spring rate and they tend
>to stretch over time.
>
>Jack Phillips
>
>NX899JP
>
>"Icarus Plummet"
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Subject: | Up AND Down trim adjustment? |
Mike,
Have you any photos/pictures of your trim system?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Up AND Down trim adjustment?
Mine nearly always needs some down elevator trim. I installed a bellcrank
spring trim system similar to Mike Cuy's (although my trim lever sticks up
through the rear seat and is arranged so forward is nose down, aft is nose
up trim). When flying solo, with nothing in my nose baggage compartment, I
have the trim lever about 80% forward. When flying with a load in the front
seat and in the baggage compartment, the trim lever need to be a bit aft of
neutral.
Incidentally, I use screen door springs and taoilet tank chain from Home
Depot for my trim system. I don't think bungees are a great way to go
because they don't have a linear spring rate and they tend to stretch over
time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Up AND Down trim adjustment?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Seems all I ever hear about is someong having to "hold some back pressure"
on the stick....
Does the Pietenpol Air Camper EVER need down elevator on a "typical" flight?
I know there's no way to say "never"....but generally speaking, could I get
by with just an "UP" adjustment or will some down elevator be needed on a
regular basis?
JM
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Peter-- I have some sketches but none scanned.
Basically I welded to mini-tabs or ears that look like about 1/10 the
length of the bellcrank lever arm
on the elevator pivot tube inside the fuselage aft of the pilots seat. I
drilled a hole at the end of each tab or ear
and just hooked that up via some light chains and hardware store springs to
a 4130 lever arm that pivots
to put a pull on either the up direction or down direction. I never put a
detent or 'stop positions' on my lever
(which is located under my left thigh under the seat) but installed a
friction type knob which works good.
Jack's setup is very nice and based upon the same principals as mine.
I find that with 17 gallons of fuel up front she only starts to require
forward stick after I burn off about 8 gallons.
Any Piet that is tail heavy needs to move it's wing back or for the pilot
(like me) to loose some weight:)
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Mike,
Thanks
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: trim sketches
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Peter-- I have some sketches but none scanned.
Basically I welded to mini-tabs or ears that look like about 1/10 the
length of the bellcrank lever arm
on the elevator pivot tube inside the fuselage aft of the pilots seat. I
drilled a hole at the end of each tab or ear
and just hooked that up via some light chains and hardware store springs to
a 4130 lever arm that pivots
to put a pull on either the up direction or down direction. I never put a
detent or 'stop positions' on my lever
(which is located under my left thigh under the seat) but installed a
friction type knob which works good.
Jack's setup is very nice and based upon the same principals as mine.
I find that with 17 gallons of fuel up front she only starts to require
forward stick after I burn off about 8 gallons.
Any Piet that is tail heavy needs to move it's wing back or for the pilot
(like me) to loose some weight:)
Mike C.
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Chuck G. I am interested in 'Building NX770CG' when it's ready, and would like
to order 'Flying NX770CG' now. Please let me know how to pay you. Thanks, Jim
Cooper blugoos1@direcway.com PS I still have the eyebrow patterns you mailed
me at Corky's request a few months ago. We are almost finished with them.
Let me know what you want me to do with them.
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Subject: | Re: Up AND Down Trim adjustment? |
As you all know, I dont own a Piet, but I love the plane... Well, This because
my comment is not a hands on one about the Piet. But tail heavy is a No Fly
until correct potential danger... Please check your CG and move the wing a little
backwards. Try not to add lead,
I have lost already 3 of my best pilot friends (two testing one new plane that
they just moved the stabilizer to "compensate" the tail heavy condition and
one in his own ultralight)
In the sole pilot case, was in his airclub. After the oficial report, the
cause was aft CG in an engine failure on take off, acording to the witnesses
(all pilots) the plane lost power and even that they watch that the pilot instantly
moved the elevator down, the plane continue until the stall and 1/4 spin
to crash wing nose first...
Getting the correct CG will make a great winter project...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright
Mine always needs down elevator, even with full fuel and a passenger.
I think they're tail heavy.
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>
>
>Seems all I ever hear about is someong having to "hold some back
>pressure" on the stick....
>
>Does the Pietenpol Air Camper EVER need down elevator on a "typical"
>flight? I know there's no way to say "never"....but generally
>speaking, could I get by with just an "UP" adjustment or will some
>down elevator be needed on a regular basis?
>
>JM
>
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Subject: | Re: Up AND Down trim adjustment? |
I don't have any mechanism to control the flippers for pitch trim. I use the
Power Setting. I've got the C of G maintained in the envelope throughout the
weight ranges, and simply pitch trim with Power. On some occasions, when the
sun wouldn't wait up for me, I've had to add full power to get back to the
airport before dusk, and had to hold forward stick. In order to adjust pitch
trim to attain a different speed, I adjust the leading edge of the stabilizer
with the turnbuckles. I've done it several times, and it is effective.
However, I do have fixed trim tabs on the trailing edge of each flipper, angled
down,
holding the flipper up.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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