---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/09/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Medical (Lou Wither) 2. 07:33 AM - Re: Medical (Galen Hutcheson) 3. 07:43 AM - Re: Medical (Nick Harris) 4. 07:54 AM - Re: Medical (Sterling) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: Medical (Sterling) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/08/05 (Tim Willis) 7. 09:16 AM - Re: Medical (harvey rule) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: Medical (Galen Hutcheson) 9. 10:30 AM - Re: Medical (Galen Hutcheson) 10. 12:24 PM - Re: Medical (Richard L. Dery) 11. 12:37 PM - approved medications (Michael D Cuy) 12. 12:44 PM - BP limits (Michael D Cuy) 13. 07:46 PM - Arbor press (Rick Holland) 14. 07:54 PM - Re: Medical (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 15. 08:17 PM - Re: Arbor press () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:00 AM PST US From: Lou Wither Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical I believe this is a published number. I don't have the regs in front of me but I think the max is 145/90. I know the AME told me last year that the feds wanted to lower it. I get my second class each year with medicated numbers in the 130/85 area. Lou Wither N799LJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:21 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Nick, the upper number (systolic) is normal. The lower number (diastolic) is within range for FAA purposes, but is higher than it should be. Blood pressure is dynamic and fluctuates throughout the day so one blood pressure reading in not that accurate. You need serial blood pressure readings and can do this by buying an inexpensive blood pressure monitor at any drug store and taking several readings throughout the day and on several days. You also need to take stock of things that can cause blood pressure elevation, ie. stress, salt intake, obesity, inactivity, cold medications (decongestants) etc. Not only would this be important for the FAA medical, it could help prevent a heart attack or stroke which certainly would knock you out of your medical. Hope this helps. Doc (H) Do Not Archive --- Nick Harris wrote: > Hey guys, > I had my blood pressure checked today and it was > 130/86. Will this mess up my medical. My medical > is not current right now, but was about to get it > done. > Nick Harris > nharris25@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:14 AM PST US From: "Nick Harris" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical Thanks for the info guys! I'm only 31 so I guess I need to lay off the cheeseburgers:) Nick Harris nharris25@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou Wither To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical I believe this is a published number. I don't have the regs in front of me but I think the max is 145/90. I know the AME told me last year that the feds wanted to lower it. I get my second class each year with medicated numbers in the 130/85 area. Lou Wither N799LJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Hutcheson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > Nick, the upper number (systolic) is normal. The > lower number (diastolic) is within range for FAA > purposes, but is higher than it should be. Blood > pressure is dynamic and fluctuates throughout the day > so one blood pressure reading in not that accurate. > You need serial blood pressure readings and can do > this by buying an inexpensive blood pressure monitor > at any drug store and taking several readings > throughout the day and on several days. You also need > to take stock of things that can cause blood pressure > elevation, ie. stress, salt intake, obesity, > inactivity, cold medications (decongestants) etc. Not > only would this be important for the FAA medical, it > could help prevent a heart attack or stroke which > certainly would knock you out of your medical. Hope > this helps. > > Doc (H) Do Not Archive > > --- Nick Harris wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I had my blood pressure checked today and it was > > 130/86. Will this mess up my medical. My medical > > is not current right now, but was about to get it > > done. > > Nick Harris > > nharris25@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:55 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" Doc: Is it true that by taking Asprin, Ginko and Flaxseed effectively act as blood thinners and can reduce blood pressure levels? I had my last cup of coffee this morning for the remainder of December as I look forward to my 3rd class prior to Christmas. Sterling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Hutcheson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > Nick, the upper number (systolic) is normal. The > lower number (diastolic) is within range for FAA > purposes, but is higher than it should be. Blood > pressure is dynamic and fluctuates throughout the day > so one blood pressure reading in not that accurate. > You need serial blood pressure readings and can do > this by buying an inexpensive blood pressure monitor > at any drug store and taking several readings > throughout the day and on several days. You also need > to take stock of things that can cause blood pressure > elevation, ie. stress, salt intake, obesity, > inactivity, cold medications (decongestants) etc. Not > only would this be important for the FAA medical, it > could help prevent a heart attack or stroke which > certainly would knock you out of your medical. Hope > this helps. > > Doc (H) Do Not Archive > > --- Nick Harris wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I had my blood pressure checked today and it was > > 130/86. Will this mess up my medical. My medical > > is not current right now, but was about to get it > > done. > > Nick Harris > > nharris25@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:43 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/08/05 Oscar, I got one of the heads off. The wedges might have worked a little bit to loosen things, but they kept splitting. Then I got to thinking, "Wait, I am not using these 1964 heads, anyway." So I started hitting upwards on the four corners of the head with a 3 pound hand sledge, and it started coming loose. I found mud-dauber wasp nests in all cylinders, as I expected. Otherwise things still look good up to now. On to the other side this weekend. Thanks for monitoring WW's site for us all. I looked with interest at the head rework price of WW's new source. Over $900 plus freight seems high. Of course, that price actually includes a lot of parts and labor, too. I am not even sure what rework I will really need yet. Let's talk about that later. In other business, yesterday I talked with Bob Siebert, a guy here in the local EAA chapter. He had built, flown and then later, finally crashed a Piet on takeoff. He was an experienced pilot and builder and had many hours in his RV that he had already built. It had to be a terrible feeling. He was taking off from a grass strip in a strong 45 degree crosswind, and the left wing lifted too far for him to correct with left rudder and ailerons. The right wing caught the ground, and then many things happened: the prop and right LG broke, the right wing spars and many ribs broke, and even the fuze cracked. After he got out of the plane safely, the wind caught the wreck and put it over on its back, wrecking the tail as well. Later he salvaged all the could and set fire to the wreck. (This happened too long ago for either of us to get the Piet metal fittings, as he had already sold them to a Piet builder.) I asked him what I should learn and apply from his experience. He said that I should build the plane because it is a great project and a lot of fun, but it is a "clear weather plane." He added that a friend of his with a Piet has described flying them as "churning butter in the cockpit" on a windy day. I think we have heard many such impressions before. This tells me that: -- getting more room in the cockpit might be not just a good idea for comfort, but critical for room to actuate the controls quickly and safely, given my oversized body. -- building this Piet with a taller (and thus less masked) rudder and wider (L-to-R) ailerons (1-2 more ribs' width) might be a really good thing, too. To get better empirical data and a feel for the problem, I have ordered Chuck Gantzer's video when it is available. I'll be happy to loan it to you right after I have quickly viewed it. Then we should discuss after you have seen it. Chuck should have his video out pretty soon, so maybe we can be better informed by the end of the year. We should plan to meet in S.A. sometime, perhaps in January. I would like to see your planes and hear more of your ideas for vortex generators. Tim --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:31 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule If you refrain from drinking coffee you blood pressure goes down quite a bit.Just refrain the day of the test then go back on.Works for me. Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson > > Nick, the upper number (systolic) is normal. The > lower number (diastolic) is within range for FAA > purposes, but is higher than it should be. Blood > pressure is dynamic and fluctuates throughout the day > so one blood pressure reading in not that accurate. > You need serial blood pressure readings and can do > this by buying an inexpensive blood pressure monitor > at any drug store and taking several readings > throughout the day and on several days. You also need > to take stock of things that can cause blood pressure > elevation, ie. stress, salt intake, obesity, > inactivity, cold medications (decongestants) etc. Not > only would this be important for the FAA medical, it > could help prevent a heart attack or stroke which > certainly would knock you out of your medical. Hope > this helps. > > Doc (H) Do Not Archive > > --- Nick Harris wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I had my blood pressure checked today and it was > > 130/86. Will this mess up my medical. My medical > > is not current right now, but was about to get it > > done. > > Nick Harris > > nharris25@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:45 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson That's one of them for sure, but not everyone's blood pressure responds the same to caffieene, probably a tolerence thing. Doc (H) Do Not Archive --- harvey rule wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > > > If you refrain from drinking coffee you blood > pressure goes down quite a > bit.Just refrain the day of the test then go back > on.Works for me. > > Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen > Hutcheson > > > > Nick, the upper number (systolic) is normal. The > > lower number (diastolic) is within range for FAA > > purposes, but is higher than it should be. Blood > > pressure is dynamic and fluctuates throughout the > day > > so one blood pressure reading in not that > accurate. > > You need serial blood pressure readings and can do > > this by buying an inexpensive blood pressure > monitor > > at any drug store and taking several readings > > throughout the day and on several days. You also > need > > to take stock of things that can cause blood > pressure > > elevation, ie. stress, salt intake, obesity, > > inactivity, cold medications (decongestants) etc. > Not > > only would this be important for the FAA medical, > it > > could help prevent a heart attack or stroke which > > certainly would knock you out of your medical. > Hope > > this helps. > > > > Doc (H) Do Not Archive > > > > --- Nick Harris wrote: > > > > > Hey guys, > > > I had my blood pressure checked today and it was > > > 130/86. Will this mess up my medical. My > medical > > > is not current right now, but was about to get > it > > > done. > > > Nick Harris > > > nharris25@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:50 AM PST US From: Galen Hutcheson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson Sterling, asprin acutally dosen't "thin" the blood. Rather it causes the blood platelets (which aide in clotting) to be less "stickey" therefore decreasing the risk of a clot forming within an arery. I know nothing about Ginko and Flaxseed and the effects, if any, on the blood. Blood pressure is a function of cardiac output and arterial resistence. Increasing one or both will cause the blood pressure to increase. Some drugs, caffiene being only one of many, acts on smooth muscle (which lines the walls of the arteries) and causes them to contract therefore decreasing the lumen (inside diameter of the vessel) which increases vascular resistence and therefore increasing blood pressure. This response to certain chemicals is important for normal body function, but can become abnormal under certain conditons. A too high blood pressure can cause a tear in a fatty deposit that often lines artery walls which will allow a blood clot to form sometimes blocking blood flow through that particular artery. This is a common cause of heart attacks and strokes. This is probably more than anyone wants to know, but understanding might help in prevention of a problem. Doc (H) Do Not Archive --- Sterling wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" > > > Doc: > > Is it true that by taking Asprin, Ginko and Flaxseed > effectively act as > blood thinners and can reduce blood pressure levels? > > I had my last cup of coffee this morning for the > remainder of December as I > look forward to my 3rd class prior to Christmas. > > Sterling > > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:15 PM PST US From: "Richard L. Dery" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard L. Dery" Nick Harris wrote: > Hey guys, I had my blood pressure checked today and it was 130/86. > Will this mess up my medical. My medical is not current right now, > but was about to get it done. Nick Harris nharris25@yahoo.com Other people in this forum have made suggestions about how to reduce your blood pressure. Here's one more (if you're still concerned): When you go for your physical, ask the AME about using suitable blood pressure medication. You'll have to jump through a few hoops (paperwork, time, and money), but it's possible to use medication and get a second or third class medical. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:50 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: approved medications a8c0@Nick> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy There is no official FAA approved list....but here is a good place to start...... http://www.leftseat.com/medications.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:17 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: BP limits a8c0@Nick> Pilots with a diagnosis of hypertension or those on medication to control blood pressure must provide a detailed cardiovascular evaluation for FAA consideration. While aviation medical examiners may defer lower values, the FAA disqualifies pilots with a systolic (higher number) blood pressure at or above 155 or a diastolic (lower number) pressure at or above 95. Blood PressureOptimalNormalHigh NormalHypertensionFAA Limit Systolic (top #)<120<130130-139140 or higher155 or higher Diastolic< 80< 8585-9090 or higher95 or higher If your blood pressure is elevated, speak with your physician about how to reduce your blood pressure. It may be possible to reduce your blood pressure by limiting the sodium (salt) in your diet, losing weight if overweight, taking medication, limiting your alcohol intake and/or increasing your physical activity. Although reducing your blood pressure by lifestyle modification is preferred, it may be best to utilize medication initially to reduce the risk for arterial damage and stroke. Eventually exercise and diet may permit you to discontinue the medication. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:15 PM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Arbor press Instead of using my vice or a big hammer to bend 090 or 060 metal straps around tubing (like for the wing strut end fittings and certain cub type landing gear tubing end fittings) I was thinking that having a press of some sort would make things easier. Grizzly has 1,2 and 3 ton arbor presses for a reasonable price. Does anyone have any opinions on using one of these things? Thanks -- Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:28 PM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Trying to second guess how an AME will react to any variance from FAA "norm", is a problem. I had posted the problems with Medical earlier. Couple days ago I got an official letter from the Anchorage FAA med office quoting my letter and data set sent to them in June. Thats right they responded to my letter of June in Nov. They want now 6 months of back records on blood thinner affect, a letter from my heart doc that states my Atril Fib meds are working and lastly another Holter Monitor test (about $700 a pop). Sooooooo considering the fact the Piete would be marginally acceptable with a Sport Pilot Lic, I'd go that route unless you need to fly other things non- Litesport and/or you have to fly IFR etc. Gordon Bowen Homer AK Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard L. Dery dickdery@teleport.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Medical --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard L. Dery" Nick Harris wrote: > Hey guys, I had my blood pressure checked today and it was 130/86. > Will this mess up my medical. My medical is not current right now, > but was about to get it done. Nick Harris nharris25@yahoo.com Other people in this forum have made suggestions about how to reduce your blood pressure. Here's one more (if you're still concerned): When you go for your physical, ask the AME about using suitable blood pressure medication. You'll have to jump through a few hoops (paperwork, time, and money), but it's possible to use medication and get a second or third class medical. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:00 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Arbor press I've tried using arbor presses for bending metal and I was not happy. 3 tons just isn't enough for a lot of bends. My preference is a 20 ton hydraulic press. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Arbor press Instead of using my vice or a big hammer to bend 090 or 060 metal straps around tubing (like for the wing strut end fittings and certain cub type landing gear tubing end fittings) I was thinking that having a press of some sort would make things easier. Grizzly has 1,2 and 3 ton arbor presses for a reasonable price. Does anyone have any opinions on using one of these things? Thanks -- Rick Holland